Are Americans Race Cowards?

[The Rabbi]

Eric Holder has charged on occasion that Americans are race cowards, not wanting to engage in conversations about race. I suspect that what he really means is Americans are not willing to accept his view of race.
Why is it that blacks as a group exhibit such poor socio-economic trends? Bottom in education, bottom in poverty, bottom in single parent homes, bottom in out of wedlock births, etc? The Holders claim it is due to systemic racism, whatever that means.
But if you look at any other distinct group--Hispanics, Asians, Jews--all of which suffered discrimination in the past as well you find they do generally better than average Americans in all those same socio-economic measures.
So it can't be racism. Unless someone wants to make the case that racists are somehow uniquely hostile to blacks, and that they occupy the majority of positions of authority in America.
And all of this is despite 40 years of preferential programs for blacks--affirmative action, set asides, minority quotas, etc.
So how to explain it?
The obvious explanation is the very one the Holders dont want to hear: blacks have a dysfunctional culture, learned from poor whites, that mitigates against any achievement. And in fact, when you find blacks outside of sports and entertainment who have achieved high levels of success you also find they have shucked that dysfunctional culture in favor of mainsteam American culture.
The issue is cultural and internal.

 

[Meathead]

Yes, of course. The race problem will not ebb without honest discourse. Insistence on political correctness cannot allow for this. "Post-racial America" and the "Age of Obama" are clear in St. Louis.

 

[The Rabbi]

The irony is anyone who wants to have a reasonable conversation about race gets shouted down as a racist or shunned. Look at what happened to Bill Cosby after he went to the NAACP and talked about this.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Why is it that blacks as a group exhibit such poor socio-economic trends? Bottom in education, bottom in poverty, bottom in single parent homes, bottom in out of wedlock births, etc? The Holders claim it is due to systemic racism, whatever that means.
But if you look at any other distinct group--Hispanics, Asians, Jews--all of which suffered discrimination in the past as well you find they do generally better than average Americans in all those same socio-economic measures.
So it can't be racism. Unless someone wants to make the case that racists are somehow uniquely hostile to blacks, and that they occupy the majority of positions of authority in America.
And all of this is despite 40 years of preferential programs for blacks--affirmative action, set asides, minority quotas, etc.
So how to explain it?
The obvious explanation is the very one the Holders dont want to hear: blacks have a dysfunctional culture, learned from poor whites, that mitigates against any achievement. And in fact, when you find blacks outside of sports and entertainment who have achieved high levels of success you also find they have shucked that dysfunctional culture in favor of mainsteam American culture.
The issue is cultural and internal.

What you will dismiss whole heartedly is the effect of slavery. Look at any group anywhere in the world that was held back by the majority of the population. You'll find that they (surprisingly) do not do as well as the oppressors. Shocking I know. If you believe that history effects the future. Then you'll have to acknowledge that the history of slavery effects the present.

50 years of laws (which you object too constantly as racist) doesnt change 400+ years of history. Whites have had 400 years here and they are still in trailers. So you have to figure that every black person cant be in a great place after 50 years

 

[Katzndogz]

Black people do not want a conversation about race. Eric Holder does not want a conversation about race. When a black person says there should be a conversation about race, what they really mean is sit down, shut up and listen to my lecture about race.

 

[ClosedCaption]

The irony is anyone who wants to have a reasonable conversation about race gets shouted down as a racist or shunned. Look at what happened to Bill Cosby after he went to the NAACP and talked about this.

Thats not true Bill is still respected in the black community despite him being wrong with what he said. Just like Bill is still respected in the white community despite what he said about blacks having special treatment

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Eric Holder has charged on occasion that Americans are race cowards, not wanting to engage in conversations about race. I suspect that what he really means is Americans are not willing to accept his view of race.
Why is it that blacks as a group exhibit such poor socio-economic trends? Bottom in education, bottom in poverty, bottom in single parent homes, bottom in out of wedlock births, etc? The Holders claim it is due to systemic racism, whatever that means.
But if you look at any other distinct group--Hispanics, Asians, Jews--all of which suffered discrimination in the past as well you find they do generally better than average Americans in all those same socio-economic measures.
So it can't be racism. Unless someone wants to make the case that racists are somehow uniquely hostile to blacks, and that they occupy the majority of positions of authority in America.
And all of this is despite 40 years of preferential programs for blacks--affirmative action, set asides, minority quotas, etc.
So how to explain it?
The obvious explanation is the very one the Holders dont want to hear: blacks have a dysfunctional culture, learned from poor whites, that mitigates against any achievement. And in fact, when you find blacks outside of sports and entertainment who have achieved high levels of success you also find they have shucked that dysfunctional culture in favor of mainsteam American culture.
The issue is cultural and internal.

As a Jew I just wanna say we're not all racist fucktards.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

OPs like the little bratty kid in "The Incredibles" trying to become Mr. Incredible's sidekick.

"You're not affiliated with me!" Mr. Incredible says.

 

[Mac1958]

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We absolutely cannot and will not have the critically-needed honest discussion of race in this country until and unless all parties can be open and honest, without fear of being labeled a racist or some other name, and without fear of "consequences" being leveled simply for speaking their mind.

It's difficult to believe that the Left doesn't understand this seemingly obvious fact, and that's why I have to wonder if they really do want to address and fix this problem.

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[Mad Scientist]

What you will dismiss whole heartedly is the effect of slavery. Look at any group anywhere in the world that was held back by the majority of the population. You'll find that they (surprisingly) do not do as well as the oppressors. Shocking I know. If you believe that history effects the future. Then you'll have to acknowledge that the history of slavery effects the present.

50 years of laws (which you object too constantly as racist) doesnt change 400+ years of history. Whites have had 400 years here and they are still in trailers. So you have to figure that every black person cant be in a great place after 50 years

Not all Whites, not all Blacks.

First Female self made Millionaire, Madam C. J. Walker, was Black, and that was around 1900, only 35 years after the end of Slavery. How do you explain THAT?

America offers Equal Opportunity NOT Equal Results.

Only Robots can give you Equal Results. Is that yer plan for everybody?

 

[Meathead]

Eric Holder has charged on occasion that Americans are race cowards, not wanting to engage in conversations about race. I suspect that what he really means is Americans are not willing to accept his view of race.
Why is it that blacks as a group exhibit such poor socio-economic trends? Bottom in education, bottom in poverty, bottom in single parent homes, bottom in out of wedlock births, etc? The Holders claim it is due to systemic racism, whatever that means.
But if you look at any other distinct group--Hispanics, Asians, Jews--all of which suffered discrimination in the past as well you find they do generally better than average Americans in all those same socio-economic measures.
So it can't be racism. Unless someone wants to make the case that racists are somehow uniquely hostile to blacks, and that they occupy the majority of positions of authority in America.
And all of this is despite 40 years of preferential programs for blacks--affirmative action, set asides, minority quotas, etc.
So how to explain it?
The obvious explanation is the very one the Holders dont want to hear: blacks have a dysfunctional culture, learned from poor whites, that mitigates against any achievement. And in fact, when you find blacks outside of sports and entertainment who have achieved high levels of success you also find they have shucked that dysfunctional culture in favor of mainsteam American culture.
The issue is cultural and internal.

As a Jew I just wanna say we're not all racist fucktards.

As a gentile I just wanna say not all Jews are pricks.

 

[martybegan]

Why is it that blacks as a group exhibit such poor socio-economic trends? Bottom in education, bottom in poverty, bottom in single parent homes, bottom in out of wedlock births, etc? The Holders claim it is due to systemic racism, whatever that means.
But if you look at any other distinct group--Hispanics, Asians, Jews--all of which suffered discrimination in the past as well you find they do generally better than average Americans in all those same socio-economic measures.
So it can't be racism. Unless someone wants to make the case that racists are somehow uniquely hostile to blacks, and that they occupy the majority of positions of authority in America.
And all of this is despite 40 years of preferential programs for blacks--affirmative action, set asides, minority quotas, etc.
So how to explain it?
The obvious explanation is the very one the Holders dont want to hear: blacks have a dysfunctional culture, learned from poor whites, that mitigates against any achievement. And in fact, when you find blacks outside of sports and entertainment who have achieved high levels of success you also find they have shucked that dysfunctional culture in favor of mainsteam American culture.
The issue is cultural and internal.

What you will dismiss whole heartedly is the effect of slavery. Look at any group anywhere in the world that was held back by the majority of the population. You'll find that they (surprisingly) do not do as well as the oppressors. Shocking I know. If you believe that history effects the future. Then you'll have to acknowledge that the history of slavery effects the present.

50 years of laws (which you object too constantly as racist) doesnt change 400+ years of history. Whites have had 400 years here and they are still in trailers. So you have to figure that every black person cant be in a great place after 50 years

Ah, the subtle racism of low expectations.

 

[The Rabbi]

Why is it that blacks as a group exhibit such poor socio-economic trends? Bottom in education, bottom in poverty, bottom in single parent homes, bottom in out of wedlock births, etc? The Holders claim it is due to systemic racism, whatever that means.
But if you look at any other distinct group--Hispanics, Asians, Jews--all of which suffered discrimination in the past as well you find they do generally better than average Americans in all those same socio-economic measures.
So it can't be racism. Unless someone wants to make the case that racists are somehow uniquely hostile to blacks, and that they occupy the majority of positions of authority in America.
And all of this is despite 40 years of preferential programs for blacks--affirmative action, set asides, minority quotas, etc.
So how to explain it?
The obvious explanation is the very one the Holders dont want to hear: blacks have a dysfunctional culture, learned from poor whites, that mitigates against any achievement. And in fact, when you find blacks outside of sports and entertainment who have achieved high levels of success you also find they have shucked that dysfunctional culture in favor of mainsteam American culture.
The issue is cultural and internal.

What you will dismiss whole heartedly is the effect of slavery. Look at any group anywhere in the world that was held back by the majority of the population. You'll find that they (surprisingly) do not do as well as the oppressors. Shocking I know. If you believe that history effects the future. Then you'll have to acknowledge that the history of slavery effects the present.

50 years of laws (which you object too constantly as racist) doesnt change 400+ years of history. Whites have had 400 years here and they are still in trailers. So you have to figure that every black person cant be in a great place after 50 years

Except that's wrong on two counts:
First, prior to 1968 blacks were improving at higher rates than whites. Black marriage rates were higher than white marriage rates.
Second, looking at blacks who moved here from the Caribbean, who also endured the same slavery blacks here did, we find they do much better economically than native American blacks.
So, no, you cannot blame the legacy of slavery for this.

 

[The Rabbi]

Eric Holder has charged on occasion that Americans are race cowards, not wanting to engage in conversations about race. I suspect that what he really means is Americans are not willing to accept his view of race.
Why is it that blacks as a group exhibit such poor socio-economic trends? Bottom in education, bottom in poverty, bottom in single parent homes, bottom in out of wedlock births, etc? The Holders claim it is due to systemic racism, whatever that means.
But if you look at any other distinct group--Hispanics, Asians, Jews--all of which suffered discrimination in the past as well you find they do generally better than average Americans in all those same socio-economic measures.
So it can't be racism. Unless someone wants to make the case that racists are somehow uniquely hostile to blacks, and that they occupy the majority of positions of authority in America.
And all of this is despite 40 years of preferential programs for blacks--affirmative action, set asides, minority quotas, etc.
So how to explain it?
The obvious explanation is the very one the Holders dont want to hear: blacks have a dysfunctional culture, learned from poor whites, that mitigates against any achievement. And in fact, when you find blacks outside of sports and entertainment who have achieved high levels of success you also find they have shucked that dysfunctional culture in favor of mainsteam American culture.
The issue is cultural and internal.

As a Jew I just wanna say we're not all racist fucktards.

You're clearly not a Jew.
But thanks for demonstrating that an honest discussion of race is impossible without someone shouting "racist"
I'd ask you to point out any incident of racism in what I posted, but that would require a level of thought, knowledge, and analysis that you clearly lack.

 

[ClosedCaption]

What you will dismiss whole heartedly is the effect of slavery. Look at any group anywhere in the world that was held back by the majority of the population. You'll find that they (surprisingly) do not do as well as the oppressors. Shocking I know. If you believe that history effects the future. Then you'll have to acknowledge that the history of slavery effects the present.

50 years of laws (which you object too constantly as racist) doesnt change 400+ years of history. Whites have had 400 years here and they are still in trailers. So you have to figure that every black person cant be in a great place after 50 years

Not all Whites, not all Blacks.

First Female self made Millionaire, Madam C. J. Walker, was Black, and that was around 1900, only 35 years after the end of Slavery. How do you explain THAT?

America offers Equal Opportunity NOT Equal Results.

Only Robots can give you Equal Results. Is that yer plan for everybody?

That exception almost proves what I say even more. Thats not the norm. See how this race discussion goes. I say something and this guy comes in hair a flame talking about stuff totally unrelated. Who said "equal results"? Not me

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Are Americans Race Cowards?

Yes, and racist...

 

[ClosedCaption]

Why is it that blacks as a group exhibit such poor socio-economic trends? Bottom in education, bottom in poverty, bottom in single parent homes, bottom in out of wedlock births, etc? The Holders claim it is due to systemic racism, whatever that means.
But if you look at any other distinct group--Hispanics, Asians, Jews--all of which suffered discrimination in the past as well you find they do generally better than average Americans in all those same socio-economic measures.
So it can't be racism. Unless someone wants to make the case that racists are somehow uniquely hostile to blacks, and that they occupy the majority of positions of authority in America.
And all of this is despite 40 years of preferential programs for blacks--affirmative action, set asides, minority quotas, etc.
So how to explain it?
The obvious explanation is the very one the Holders dont want to hear: blacks have a dysfunctional culture, learned from poor whites, that mitigates against any achievement. And in fact, when you find blacks outside of sports and entertainment who have achieved high levels of success you also find they have shucked that dysfunctional culture in favor of mainsteam American culture.
The issue is cultural and internal.

What you will dismiss whole heartedly is the effect of slavery. Look at any group anywhere in the world that was held back by the majority of the population. You'll find that they (surprisingly) do not do as well as the oppressors. Shocking I know. If you believe that history effects the future. Then you'll have to acknowledge that the history of slavery effects the present.

50 years of laws (which you object too constantly as racist) doesnt change 400+ years of history. Whites have had 400 years here and they are still in trailers. So you have to figure that every black person cant be in a great place after 50 years

Except that's wrong on two counts:
First, prior to 1968 blacks were improving at higher rates than whites. Black marriage rates were higher than white marriage rates.

And they were still poorer but if you want to have a discussion on marriage rates then fine. All races marriage rates have been declining and all races rates of out of wedlock child birth have gone up. What about it?

Second, looking at blacks who moved here from the Caribbean, who also endured the same slavery blacks here did, we find they do much better economically than native American blacks.
So, no, you cannot blame the legacy of slavery for this.

Yes I can. The issue here is that when you want to have a "discussion" you want to tell blacks how they should be instead of discussing anything. The Caribbean folks didnt endure the same slavery. To say that slavery over there was the same as slavery everywhere is a simplistic way of looking at anything. Two things are never the same, there is always a difference.

 

[Stephanie]

well you see what happens here when you do try and talk about it

YOU get beat down as being a RACIST, and not understanding their plight.. but they seem to know why 95% of them vote Democrat and the sad thing is, THEY crow about that like it's so nice to OWN people...but they spit out that Republicans are only for WHITE people...white people can't have representation evidently like the black people can

they (black people, women, homosexuals, etc) are used as a weapon for the Democrat party

and the cowards I see are:
Holder, Obama, Sharpton, Jackson, Sheila Jackson, and I can't name them all right off

 

[The Rabbi]

What you will dismiss whole heartedly is the effect of slavery. Look at any group anywhere in the world that was held back by the majority of the population. You'll find that they (surprisingly) do not do as well as the oppressors. Shocking I know. If you believe that history effects the future. Then you'll have to acknowledge that the history of slavery effects the present.

50 years of laws (which you object too constantly as racist) doesnt change 400+ years of history. Whites have had 400 years here and they are still in trailers. So you have to figure that every black person cant be in a great place after 50 years

Except that's wrong on two counts:
First, prior to 1968 blacks were improving at higher rates than whites. Black marriage rates were higher than white marriage rates.

And they were still poorer but if you want to have a discussion on marriage rates then fine. All races marriage rates have been declining and all races rates of out of wedlock child birth have gone up. What about it?

Second, looking at blacks who moved here from the Caribbean, who also endured the same slavery blacks here did, we find they do much better economically than native American blacks.
So, no, you cannot blame the legacy of slavery for this.

Yes I can. The issue here is that when you want to have a "discussion" you want to tell blacks how they should be instead of discussing anything. The Caribbean folks didnt endure the same slavery. To say that slavery over there was the same as slavery everywhere is a simplistic way of looking at anything. Two things are never the same, there is always a difference.

Missing the point.
First, black economic measures were improving faster prior to the Great Society. What the absolute number was is immaterial. It is the rate of growth that counts.
Second, marriage rates are indicative of economic achievment and stability. It is one indicator of many.
Third, slavery is slavery. You cannot describe how Caribbean slavery was different from US slavery and then prove that that difference accounts for different results today.
I am not telling anyone anything as to how it should be. I am pointing out facts. I am trying to do exactly what Eric Holder has challenged us to do and am showing that he doesnt really mean that.

 

[haissem123]

Yes americans have a hard time with discussing race because they can't see that we all are the same underneath. I remember when Germans called jews filthy rats, a scheming behind the back stabbing clan of evil money hungry kabals. I have actually seen many of them live up to this image as I've travel through this misguided life. But then some magic man in the sky came down to save them and gave them pride in themselves. But yet many still have filthy yards and filthy bodies. Many still take over towns through back door deal of collective clan monies forsaking the rest of the nonjewish communities the live in or off of. so let's be honest about all our stereotypes.