Arab Treatment Of Syrian Palestinians

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While Syria continues to kill their Palestinians, force them to starve to death or leave, here is how the surrounding Arab countries are dealing with Syria's Palestinians. Oh well, at least they don't brutally abuse Palestinians like Israel does with peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions so they can remain where they are.

Israel Hayom | Palestinians from Syria: Worst treatment of all
 
It might not yet be ideal, but palestinians in gaza and the WB are living the good life compared to those in refugee camps.
Palestinian government is responsible for their services, rights and infrastructural. It is also responsible or trade and encouraging investment of business for job growth.
PLO is also supposed to be responsible for the refugees. They should have tried to bring refugees in to the WB/G to relieve the pressure of the camps and provide safety for their people.
Can you imagine if the refugee workforce was put to laying new pipes and sewage, digging wells, cleaning aquifers, laying roads, building housing, constructing terraces for farming, building hospitals and clinics, schools, encouraging investment with promises of peace, making compromises for peace and prosperity by their own hands instead of waiting for someone else to give them charity or "compensation" at some point in the future. They need to invest in themselves now.
 
Any knowledgeable, rational & unbiased person would certainly think that with all Israel has given the Palestinians that it's time for the Palestinians to start providing for their own people & for their own future in the West Bank & Gaza. Problem is why should they provide for themselves when they can suck more off of Israel? Face it, history has proven over & over again that when it comes to Palestinians providing for their own people & planning their future well being, Palestinians will be Palestinians.

It might not yet be ideal, but palestinians in gaza and the WB are living the good life compared to those in refugee camps.
Palestinian government is responsible for their services, rights and infrastructural. It is also responsible or trade and encouraging investment of business for job growth.
PLO is also supposed to be responsible for the refugees. They should have tried to bring refugees in to the WB/G to relieve the pressure of the camps and provide safety for their people.
Can you imagine if the refugee workforce was put to laying new pipes and sewage, digging wells, cleaning aquifers, laying roads, building housing, constructing terraces for farming, building hospitals and clinics, schools, encouraging investment with promises of peace, making compromises for peace and prosperity by their own hands instead of waiting for someone else to give them charity or "compensation" at some point in the future. They need to invest in themselves now.
 
While Syria continues to kill their Palestinians, force them to starve to death or leave, here is how the surrounding Arab countries are dealing with Syria's Palestinians. Oh well, at least they don't brutally abuse Palestinians like Israel does with peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions so they can remain where they are.

Israel Hayom | Palestinians from Syria: Worst treatment of all
"Most Palestinian refugees fled to Syria in 1948 and came from northern Palestine,
Safad, Haifa, Acre, Tiberias, and Nazareth.

"Some refugees arrived in Syria via
Lebanon, some came from Galilee and the Hula Valley onto the Golan Heights, and
others came directly from Palestine to Jordan to Syria (Mawed 1999: 19–25).

"By the
summer of 1948, there were about 70,000 Palestinian refugees in Syria, the majority
concentrated along the border area with Israel (Morris 1988: 262)."

When 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation upon twice as many Arabs in 1948 Palestine, hundreds of thousands of refugees were cleansed from the Jewish state.

Little that happens today in Lebanon or Syria or Jordan happens independently of that original Zionist crime.


http://www.forcedmigration.org/research-resources/expert-guides/palestinian-refugees-in-syria/fmo017.pdf
 
Where is Amnesty Intl. to condemn this Syrian treatment of their Palestinians?

Amnesty international has been saying a great deal in regard to the treatment of Syrian refugees by Egypt for example, and it's statements frequently specify the "Palestinian origin" of many of these refugees.

?Fish out of water? yet again: Palestinian refugees from Syria in Egypt | Amnesty's global human rights blog
While Syrians are recognized as refugees by the Egyptian government, and thus entitled to access to subsidized primary health care and other services, the Palestinian refugees who have fled Syria for much the same reason are not.

?A dog has more freedom? ? Palestinians at Cyber City camp for refugees from Syria | Amnesty's global human rights blog

The Palestinians need their own homeland.
 
Agreed! "The Palestinians need their own homeland." The question is WHERE? Except for Palestinian citizens of Israel who love living in Israel, the Palestinians want nothing to do with Israel. They want to be totally removed from any involvement or control by Israel. And yet no surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. Which again beckons the question as to WHERE can there be a Palestinian homeland that will please the Palestinians?



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Where is Amnesty Intl. to condemn this Syrian treatment of their Palestinians?

Amnesty international has been saying a great deal in regard to the treatment of Syrian refugees by Egypt for example, and it's statements frequently specify the "Palestinian origin" of many of these refugees.

?Fish out of water? yet again: Palestinian refugees from Syria in Egypt | Amnesty's global human rights blog
While Syrians are recognized as refugees by the Egyptian government, and thus entitled to access to subsidized primary health care and other services, the Palestinian refugees who have fled Syria for much the same reason are not.

?A dog has more freedom? ? Palestinians at Cyber City camp for refugees from Syria | Amnesty's global human rights blog

The Palestinians need their own homeland.[/QUOTE]
 
Agreed! "The Palestinians need their own homeland." The question is WHERE? Except for Palestinian citizens of Israel who love living in Israel, the Palestinians want nothing to do with Israel. They want to be totally removed from any involvement or control by Israel. And yet no surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. Which again beckons the question as to WHERE can there be a Palestinian homeland that will please the Palestinians?



QUOTE=Coyote;8704344]
Where is Amnesty Intl. to condemn this Syrian treatment of their Palestinians?

Amnesty international has been saying a great deal in regard to the treatment of Syrian refugees by Egypt for example, and it's statements frequently specify the "Palestinian origin" of many of these refugees.

?Fish out of water? yet again: Palestinian refugees from Syria in Egypt | Amnesty's global human rights blog
While Syrians are recognized as refugees by the Egyptian government, and thus entitled to access to subsidized primary health care and other services, the Palestinian refugees who have fled Syria for much the same reason are not.

?A dog has more freedom? ? Palestinians at Cyber City camp for refugees from Syria | Amnesty's global human rights blog

The Palestinians need their own homeland.
[/QUOTE]

What Pro Palestinians deliberately aren't mentioning is that their goal is to eventually annex Israel to the Palestinian State. They could have had their State a long time ago. :doubt:
 
Agreed! "The Palestinians need their own homeland." The question is WHERE? Except for Palestinian citizens of Israel who love living in Israel, the Palestinians want nothing to do with Israel. They want to be totally removed from any involvement or control by Israel. And yet no surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. Which again beckons the question as to WHERE can there be a Palestinian homeland that will please the Palestinians?



QUOTE=Coyote;8704344]
Where is Amnesty Intl. to condemn this Syrian treatment of their Palestinians?

Amnesty international has been saying a great deal in regard to the treatment of Syrian refugees by Egypt for example, and it's statements frequently specify the "Palestinian origin" of many of these refugees.

?Fish out of water? yet again: Palestinian refugees from Syria in Egypt | Amnesty's global human rights blog
While Syrians are recognized as refugees by the Egyptian government, and thus entitled to access to subsidized primary health care and other services, the Palestinian refugees who have fled Syria for much the same reason are not.

?A dog has more freedom? ? Palestinians at Cyber City camp for refugees from Syria | Amnesty's global human rights blog

The Palestinians need their own homeland.
[/QUOTE]
Kinda funny how the world was willing to create a place for Israel. They picked the Palestinian Mandate and everyone was satisfied. Except for the Arabs. They want to abolish Israel and destroy the Israelis. Why can't the world pick a place for the Palihoovians?
 
Kinda funny how the world was willing to create a place for Israel. They picked the Palestinian Mandate and everyone was satisfied. Except for the Arabs. They want to abolish Israel and destroy the Israelis. Why can't the world pick a place for the Palihoovians?

Because the world isn't the same any more. Nations can't just go in, claim mandates, and divide territories without regard to inhabitants. Those days are gone.

They need a nation and it needs to be where they are, worked out in conjunction with Israel's needs. There will need to be trade offs from both sides.

You can't simply export them elsewhere any more than you can export the Jews back to Russia or Europe. These people are here now and generations of nationless people raised in the squalor of refugee camps can't be good for anyone.
 
Agreed! "The Palestinians need their own homeland." The question is WHERE? Except for Palestinian citizens of Israel who love living in Israel, the Palestinians want nothing to do with Israel. They want to be totally removed from any involvement or control by Israel. And yet no surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. Which again beckons the question as to WHERE can there be a Palestinian homeland that will please the Palestinians?

They can't return to a country they didn't come from. A good many of the Palestinians, like the Jews originated in the area now occupied by Israel.
 
It might not yet be ideal, but palestinians in gaza and the WB are living the good life compared to those in refugee camps.
Palestinian government is responsible for their services, rights and infrastructural. It is also responsible or trade and encouraging investment of business for job growth.
PLO is also supposed to be responsible for the refugees. They should have tried to bring refugees in to the WB/G to relieve the pressure of the camps and provide safety for their people.
Can you imagine if the refugee workforce was put to laying new pipes and sewage, digging wells, cleaning aquifers, laying roads, building housing, constructing terraces for farming, building hospitals and clinics, schools, encouraging investment with promises of peace, making compromises for peace and prosperity by their own hands instead of waiting for someone else to give them charity or "compensation" at some point in the future. They need to invest in themselves now.

Would they have been allowed to?

Edited to add: I don't see how it would have benefited Gaza, isn't Gaza already one of the most densly populated areas on earth?
 
It might not yet be ideal, but palestinians in gaza and the WB are living the good life compared to those in refugee camps.
Palestinian government is responsible for their services, rights and infrastructural. It is also responsible or trade and encouraging investment of business for job growth.
PLO is also supposed to be responsible for the refugees. They should have tried to bring refugees in to the WB/G to relieve the pressure of the camps and provide safety for their people.
Can you imagine if the refugee workforce was put to laying new pipes and sewage, digging wells, cleaning aquifers, laying roads, building housing, constructing terraces for farming, building hospitals and clinics, schools, encouraging investment with promises of peace, making compromises for peace and prosperity by their own hands instead of waiting for someone else to give them charity or "compensation" at some point in the future. They need to invest in themselves now.

Would they have been allowed to?

Edited to add: I don't see how it would have benefited Gaza, isn't Gaza already one of the most densly populated areas on earth?

I don't know the logistics but considering the emergency of camp in syria they could have made arrangement to truck refugees, with what would fit in bag and get those most in need (women, children, disabled, medical need, etc.) and drive them through Israel, with permission, to the west bank and set up housing for them. It would not have been easy or quick, but it could have been done. Air lift would need permission to land in Damascus and permission to fly across Israel air space, or jordanian.
If there was a will there could have been away. Refugees worked, drove or rode to get out of the country. Permission could have been requested for palestinians to leave the camps in Syria and travel to the WB. Now with fighting from all directions there are risks. Earlier some could have been removed.
Assad might have denied the request, but unless Abbas asks he would not know.
 
A Palestinian nation needs to be "where they are"??? That would result in two nations at endless war. Far worse situation than we already have between Israel & the Palestinians.



Kinda funny how the world was willing to create a place for Israel. They picked the Palestinian Mandate and everyone was satisfied. Except for the Arabs. They want to abolish Israel and destroy the Israelis. Why can't the world pick a place for the Palihoovians?

Because the world isn't the same any more. Nations can't just go in, claim mandates, and divide territories without regard to inhabitants. Those days are gone.

They need a nation and it needs to be where they are, worked out in conjunction with Israel's needs. There will need to be trade offs from both sides.

You can't simply export them elsewhere any more than you can export the Jews back to Russia or Europe. These people are here now and generations of nationless people raised in the squalor of refugee camps can't be good for anyone.
 
While Syria continues to kill their Palestinians, force them to starve to death or leave, here is how the surrounding Arab countries are dealing with Syria's Palestinians. Oh well, at least they don't brutally abuse Palestinians like Israel does with peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions so they can remain where they are.

Israel Hayom | Palestinians from Syria: Worst treatment of all
"Most Palestinian refugees fled to Syria in 1948 and came from northern Palestine,
Safad, Haifa, Acre, Tiberias, and Nazareth.

"Some refugees arrived in Syria via
Lebanon, some came from Galilee and the Hula Valley onto the Golan Heights, and
others came directly from Palestine to Jordan to Syria (Mawed 1999: 19–25).

"By the
summer of 1948, there were about 70,000 Palestinian refugees in Syria, the majority
concentrated along the border area with Israel (Morris 1988: 262)."

When 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation upon twice as many Arabs in 1948 Palestine, hundreds of thousands of refugees were cleansed from the Jewish state.

Little that happens today in Lebanon or Syria or Jordan happens independently of that original Zionist crime.


http://www.forcedmigration.org/research-resources/expert-guides/palestinian-refugees-in-syria/fmo017.pdf

What a pathetic response. Its ok for Palestinians to be treated like that because of what happened in 1948?
Youre incredibly biased
 
Problem is that every time Israel has given in to endless Palestinian demends, Israel has been thanked with jihads & intifadas. And yet Jordan's Black September on the Palestinians led to a lasting peace. And not a single Palestinian or Palestinian supporter complaint about it. Is this what Israel must duplicate to establish peace with Palestinians?
 
It might not yet be ideal, but palestinians in gaza and the WB are living the good life compared to those in refugee camps.
Palestinian government is responsible for their services, rights and infrastructural. It is also responsible or trade and encouraging investment of business for job growth.
PLO is also supposed to be responsible for the refugees. They should have tried to bring refugees in to the WB/G to relieve the pressure of the camps and provide safety for their people.
Can you imagine if the refugee workforce was put to laying new pipes and sewage, digging wells, cleaning aquifers, laying roads, building housing, constructing terraces for farming, building hospitals and clinics, schools, encouraging investment with promises of peace, making compromises for peace and prosperity by their own hands instead of waiting for someone else to give them charity or "compensation" at some point in the future. They need to invest in themselves now.

Would they have been allowed to?

Edited to add: I don't see how it would have benefited Gaza, isn't Gaza already one of the most densly populated areas on earth?

I don't know the logistics but considering the emergency of camp in syria they could have made arrangement to truck refugees, with what would fit in bag and get those most in need (women, children, disabled, medical need, etc.) and drive them through Israel, with permission, to the west bank and set up housing for them. It would not have been easy or quick, but it could have been done. Air lift would need permission to land in Damascus and permission to fly across Israel air space, or jordanian.
If there was a will there could have been away. Refugees worked, drove or rode to get out of the country. Permission could have been requested for palestinians to leave the camps in Syria and travel to the WB. Now with fighting from all directions there are risks. Earlier some could have been removed.
Assad might have denied the request, but unless Abbas asks he would not know.

Admittedly - I am not sure of the logistics or politics here - but would Israel have allowed the influx of refugees into WB? I always assumed it was pretty restricted. I can't see how it could work in Gaza - there don't seem to be enough resources there and entry/exit is pretty restricted isn't it?

It's horrible that refugees out of Syria are further divided by ethnic origin and treated based on that - it is unbelievable and the countries willing to take them are overwelmed.
 
While Syria continues to kill their Palestinians, force them to starve to death or leave, here is how the surrounding Arab countries are dealing with Syria's Palestinians. Oh well, at least they don't brutally abuse Palestinians like Israel does with peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions so they can remain where they are.

Israel Hayom | Palestinians from Syria: Worst treatment of all
"Most Palestinian refugees fled to Syria in 1948 and came from northern Palestine,
Safad, Haifa, Acre, Tiberias, and Nazareth.

"Some refugees arrived in Syria via
Lebanon, some came from Galilee and the Hula Valley onto the Golan Heights, and
others came directly from Palestine to Jordan to Syria (Mawed 1999: 19–25).

"By the
summer of 1948, there were about 70,000 Palestinian refugees in Syria, the majority
concentrated along the border area with Israel (Morris 1988: 262)."

When 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation upon twice as many Arabs in 1948 Palestine, hundreds of thousands of refugees were cleansed from the Jewish state.

Little that happens today in Lebanon or Syria or Jordan happens independently of that original Zionist crime.


http://www.forcedmigration.org/research-resources/expert-guides/palestinian-refugees-in-syria/fmo017.pdf

What a pathetic response. Its ok for Palestinians to be treated like that because of what happened in 1948?
Youre incredibly biased
What's truly pathetic are hypocrites shedding crocodile tears for Syrian Palestinians while supporting the Jewish homeland that produced the Palestinian refugee problem in the first place.
 
"Most Palestinian refugees fled to Syria in 1948 and came from northern Palestine,
Safad, Haifa, Acre, Tiberias, and Nazareth.

"Some refugees arrived in Syria via
Lebanon, some came from Galilee and the Hula Valley onto the Golan Heights, and
others came directly from Palestine to Jordan to Syria (Mawed 1999: 19–25).

"By the
summer of 1948, there were about 70,000 Palestinian refugees in Syria, the majority
concentrated along the border area with Israel (Morris 1988: 262)."

When 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation upon twice as many Arabs in 1948 Palestine, hundreds of thousands of refugees were cleansed from the Jewish state.

Little that happens today in Lebanon or Syria or Jordan happens independently of that original Zionist crime.


http://www.forcedmigration.org/research-resources/expert-guides/palestinian-refugees-in-syria/fmo017.pdf

What a pathetic response. Its ok for Palestinians to be treated like that because of what happened in 1948?
Youre incredibly biased
What's truly pathetic are hypocrites shedding crocodile tears for Syrian Palestinians while supporting the Jewish homeland that produced the Palestinian refugee problem in the first place.

The thing is - the Palestinians are here now and need a homeland just as the Jews did after the devastation of WW2. We have to deal with the here and now, not what happened 60 years ago. That isn't going to change. Decisions were made, taken, broken and blame and venom slung back and forth. In the end it's irrelevant because it won't change a thing for the situation that they are in now which is desperate - they are landless, nationless, unwanted and unrecognized.
 

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