Apartheid Israel

[P F Tinmore]

BOGUS website. Palestine was invented by the Romans and resurrected by the British 1500 years later. Palestine is not referenced in any ancient historical records nor in the Hebrew Bible, Christian Bible or even in the Quran.

Middle East historian Bernard Lewis...

Amazon.com: Islam in History: Ideas, People, and Events in the Middle East (9780812695182): Bernard Lewis: Books: Reviews, Prices & more

So? A rose by any other name...

So, you're pitifully clueless about the subject matter. I suspect the mental illness has something to do with it

When you are losing, call names.

 

[Marc39]

If I change my name to John Doe does that mean I no longer own my car?

If you don't have title to the car, you do't own the car.

Similarly, the Ottoman Turks, not Arabs, had title to Palestine and the rest of the Ottoman Empire.

The continuity of the Palestinian roots in the land in fact goes back to antiquity.

You just make this bullshit up as you go along?

Palestine and Palestinians never even existed to Arabs and Muslims for most of history, until recently. Palestine was invented by the Romans 2000 years ago, not the Arabs, 500 years before the Arabs invaded, to rename Judea or Eretz Israel [land of the Jews], after the Philistines, who were Greek, not Arab or even Semitic.

Palestine to Arabs and Muslims was never an autonomous legal or political entity.

There is no mention of Palestine or Palestiniains in the Quran nor in the Hebrew Bible nor in the Christian Bible.

Interestingly, the Quran aludes to the Jews, not Palestinians or Muslims, as the rightful owners of the Holy Land...

Quran 5:20-21...

Remember Moses said to his people: 'O my people! Recall in remembrance the favor of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.

During 400 years of Ottoman rule, preceding the British Mandate, the land of "Palestine" was viewed by Arabs and Muslims as part of Syria and at other times part of Lebanon. "Palestine" was governed alternately by Damascus and Beirut In fact, at the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, Arabs voiced vehement opposiiton to the Allies severing Palestine from the rest of Syria, viewing it as a Western device to slice up Syria.

Palestine was never in history an Arab, Muslim or "Palestinian" country or state.

Arabs and Muslims identified as Arabs or Muslims or Syrians. Or, they identified as Ottoman nationals or by tribes or clans. They never, however, called themselves Palestinians. That Palestine did not exist to Arabs and Muslims is reflected in the fact that by the end of the Mandate in 1948, after 30 years of British calling the land Palestine, which they resurrected from the Romans 1500 years later, there were no books in Arabic on the history of Palestine

Ultimately, the Palestine entity reestablished by Britain was abolished in 1948 with the termination of the Mandate.

Now, you know.

 

[P F Tinmore]

If you don't have title to the car, you do't own the car.

Similarly, the Ottoman Turks, not Arabs, had title to Palestine and the rest of the Ottoman Empire.

The continuity of the Palestinian roots in the land in fact goes back to antiquity.

You just make this bullshit up as you go along?

Palestine and Palestinians never even existed to Arabs and Muslims for most of history, until recently. Palestine was invented by the Romans 2000 years ago, not the Arabs, 500 years before the Arabs invaded, to rename Judea or Eretz Israel [land of the Jews], after the Philistines, who were Greek, not Arab or even Semitic.

Palestine to Arabs and Muslims was never an autonomous legal or political entity.

There is no mention of Palestine or Palestiniains in the Quran nor in the Hebrew Bible nor in the Christian Bible.

Interestingly, the Quran aludes to the Jews, not Palestinians or Muslims, as the rightful owners of the Holy Land...

Quran 5:20-21...

Remember Moses said to his people: 'O my people! Recall in remembrance the favor of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.

During 400 years of Ottoman rule, preceding the British Mandate, the land of "Palestine" was viewed by Arabs and Muslims as part of Syria and at other times part of Lebanon. "Palestine" was governed alternately by Damascus and Beirut In fact, at the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, Arabs voiced vehement opposiiton to the Allies severing Palestine from the rest of Syria, viewing it as a Western device to slice up Syria.

Palestine was never in history an Arab, Muslim or "Palestinian" country or state.

Arabs and Muslims identified as Arabs or Muslims or Syrians. Or, they identified as Ottoman nationals or by tribes or clans. They never, however, called themselves Palestinians. That Palestine did not exist to Arabs and Muslims is reflected in the fact that by the end of the Mandate in 1948, after 30 years of British calling the land Palestine, which they resurrected from the Romans 1500 years later, there were no books in Arabic on the history of Palestine

Ultimately, the Palestine entity reestablished by Britain was abolished in 1948 with the termination of the Mandate.

Now, you know.

You are still hung up on names. Same people-same place.

 

[Marc39]

The continuity of the Palestinian roots in the land in fact goes back to antiquity.

You just make this bullshit up as you go along?

Palestine and Palestinians never even existed to Arabs and Muslims for most of history, until recently. Palestine was invented by the Romans 2000 years ago, not the Arabs, 500 years before the Arabs invaded, to rename Judea or Eretz Israel [land of the Jews], after the Philistines, who were Greek, not Arab or even Semitic.

Palestine to Arabs and Muslims was never an autonomous legal or political entity.

There is no mention of Palestine or Palestiniains in the Quran nor in the Hebrew Bible nor in the Christian Bible.

Interestingly, the Quran aludes to the Jews, not Palestinians or Muslims, as the rightful owners of the Holy Land...

Quran 5:20-21...

Remember Moses said to his people: 'O my people! Recall in remembrance the favor of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.

During 400 years of Ottoman rule, preceding the British Mandate, the land of "Palestine" was viewed by Arabs and Muslims as part of Syria and at other times part of Lebanon. "Palestine" was governed alternately by Damascus and Beirut In fact, at the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, Arabs voiced vehement opposiiton to the Allies severing Palestine from the rest of Syria, viewing it as a Western device to slice up Syria.

Palestine was never in history an Arab, Muslim or "Palestinian" country or state.

Arabs and Muslims identified as Arabs or Muslims or Syrians. Or, they identified as Ottoman nationals or by tribes or clans. They never, however, called themselves Palestinians. That Palestine did not exist to Arabs and Muslims is reflected in the fact that by the end of the Mandate in 1948, after 30 years of British calling the land Palestine, which they resurrected from the Romans 1500 years later, there were no books in Arabic on the history of Palestine

Ultimately, the Palestine entity reestablished by Britain was abolished in 1948 with the termination of the Mandate.

Now, you know.

You are still hung up on names. Same people-same place.

I'm hung up on historical accuracy. You're hung up on drugs.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You just make this bullshit up as you go along?

Palestine and Palestinians never even existed to Arabs and Muslims for most of history, until recently. Palestine was invented by the Romans 2000 years ago, not the Arabs, 500 years before the Arabs invaded, to rename Judea or Eretz Israel [land of the Jews], after the Philistines, who were Greek, not Arab or even Semitic.

Palestine to Arabs and Muslims was never an autonomous legal or political entity.

There is no mention of Palestine or Palestiniains in the Quran nor in the Hebrew Bible nor in the Christian Bible.

Interestingly, the Quran aludes to the Jews, not Palestinians or Muslims, as the rightful owners of the Holy Land...

Quran 5:20-21...


During 400 years of Ottoman rule, preceding the British Mandate, the land of "Palestine" was viewed by Arabs and Muslims as part of Syria and at other times part of Lebanon. "Palestine" was governed alternately by Damascus and Beirut In fact, at the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, Arabs voiced vehement opposiiton to the Allies severing Palestine from the rest of Syria, viewing it as a Western device to slice up Syria.

Palestine was never in history an Arab, Muslim or "Palestinian" country or state.

Arabs and Muslims identified as Arabs or Muslims or Syrians. Or, they identified as Ottoman nationals or by tribes or clans. They never, however, called themselves Palestinians. That Palestine did not exist to Arabs and Muslims is reflected in the fact that by the end of the Mandate in 1948, after 30 years of British calling the land Palestine, which they resurrected from the Romans 1500 years later, there were no books in Arabic on the history of Palestine

Ultimately, the Palestine entity reestablished by Britain was abolished in 1948 with the termination of the Mandate.

Now, you know.

You are still hung up on names. Same people-same place.

I'm hung up on historical accuracy. You're hung up on drugs.

When French Indo China was changed to Vietnam, was there any change in the people or place?

 

[Marc39]

You are still hung up on names. Same people-same place.

I'm hung up on historical accuracy. You're hung up on drugs.

When French Indo China was changed to Vietnam, was there any change in the people or place?

Gibberish.

Jews lived in and ruled Judea for 2000 years before Muslims invaded.

Arabs and Muslims originated from Arabia.
The Jewish people originated from Judea.

Bernard Lewis...

During the first period in Islamic history [622 AD] when Islam was an Arab religion and the Caliphate an Arab Kingdom, the term Arab came to be applied to those who spoke Arabic, were full members by descent of an Arab tribe, and who, either in person or through their ancestors, had originated in Arabia.

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Now, you know

 

[P F Tinmore]

I'm hung up on historical accuracy. You're hung up on drugs.

When French Indo China was changed to Vietnam, was there any change in the people or place?

Gibberish.

Jews lived in and ruled Judea for 2000 years before Muslims invaded.

Arabs and Muslims originated from Arabia.
The Jewish people originated from Judea.

Bernard Lewis...

During the first period in Islamic history [622 AD] when Islam was an Arab religion and the Caliphate an Arab Kingdom, the term Arab came to be applied to those who spoke Arabic, were full members by descent of an Arab tribe, and who, either in person or through their ancestors, had originated in Arabia.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Arabs-History-Bernard-Lewis/dp/0192803107/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1288187880&sr=8-1]Amazon.com: The Arabs in History (9780192803108): Bernard Lewis: Books[/ame]

Now, you know

So, what is the relevance?

 

[Marc39]

When French Indo China was changed to Vietnam, was there any change in the people or place?

Gibberish.

Jews lived in and ruled Judea for 2000 years before Muslims invaded.

Arabs and Muslims originated from Arabia.
The Jewish people originated from Judea.

Bernard Lewis...

During the first period in Islamic history [622 AD] when Islam was an Arab religion and the Caliphate an Arab Kingdom, the term Arab came to be applied to those who spoke Arabic, were full members by descent of an Arab tribe, and who, either in person or through their ancestors, had originated in Arabia.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Arabs-History-Bernard-Lewis/dp/0192803107/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1288187880&sr=8-1]Amazon.com: The Arabs in History (9780192803108): Bernard Lewis: Books[/ame]

Now, you know

So, what is the relevance?

You're not the brightest bulb, are you. Others with functioning brains will be able to discern the relevance.

You, go back to reading comic books and playing video games.

 

[georgephillip]

"Worlds apart

"Israelis have always been horrified at the idea of parallels between their country, a democracy risen from the ashes of genocide, and the racist system that ruled the old South Africa.

"Yet even within Israel itself, accusations persist that the web of controls affecting every aspect of Palestinian life bears a disturbing resemblance to apartheid.

"After four years reporting from Jerusalem and more than a decade from Johannesburg before that, the Guardian's award-winning Middle East correspondent Chris McGreal is exceptionally well placed to assess this explosive comparison."

Worlds apart

 

[Marc39]

"Worlds apart

"Israelis have always been horrified at the idea of parallels between their country, a democracy risen from the ashes of genocide, and the racist system that ruled the old South Africa.

"Yet even within Israel itself, accusations persist that the web of controls affecting every aspect of Palestinian life bears a disturbing resemblance to apartheid.

For Israeli Arabs It Is Not Apartheid
Khaled Abu Toameh

An Arab member of the Knesset who goes all the way to the US and Canada to tell university students and professors that Israel is an apartheid state is not only a hypocrite and a liar, but is also causing huge damage to the interests of his own Arab voters and constituents. If Israel were an apartheid state, what is this Arab doing in the Knesset? Doesn't apartheid mean that someone like this Knesset member would not, in the first place, even be permitted to run in an election?

Fortunately, Arab citizens can go to the same beaches, restaurants and shopping malls as Jews in this "apartheid" state. Moreover, they can run in any election and even have a minister in the government [Ghaleb Majadlah] for the first time. In this "apartheid" state, the Arab community has a free media that many Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip envy. Ironically, an Arab newspaper in Nazareth or Haifa that is licensed by Israel enjoys more freedom than the media controlled by Hamas and Fatah, as well as most corrupt Arab dictatorships.

Ironically, this Knesset member who is complaining about apartheid enjoys more privileges than most Jews and Arabs in Israel. As a parliamentarian, he is entitled to do many things that an ordinary citizen cannot do, thanks largely to the immunity he enjoys as an elected official. His parliamentary immunity allows him to enter areas that ordinary Jewish and Arab citizens do not have access to. This Knesset member, for example, travels to the Palestinian Authority-controlled territories which, for many years, have been off-limits to ordinary Israeli citizens.

This Knesset member also can sometimes even break the law by visiting "hostile" countries like Syria and Lebanon and holding public meetings with Hamas and Hizbullah leaders.

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[georgephillip]

"Said Rhateb was born in 1972, five years after Israeli soldiers fought their way through East Jerusalem and claimed his family's dry, rock-strewn plot as part of what the Jewish state proclaimed its 'eternal and indivisible capital'".

Israel redrew Jerusalem's border, with the olive groves and orchards of Said's village now incorporated inside of Jerusalem and under Israeli control while the village itself remained in the West Bank...

"The population was not so neatly divided. Arabs in the area were registered as living in the village - even those, like (Said's) parents, whose homes were inside what was now defined as Jerusalem."

"Four decades later, the increasingly complex world of Israel's system of classification deems Said Rhateb to be a resident of the West Bank - somewhere he has never lived - and an illegal alien for living in the home in which he was born, inside the Jerusalem boundary.

"Jerusalem's council forces (Said) to pay substantial property taxes on his house but that does not give him the right to live in it, and he is periodically arrested for doing so...

No taxation without a vote, right?

btw, "Princeton"...are you a citizen of the US?
Israel?
Both?

Worlds apart

 

[Marc39]

"Said Rhateb was born in 1972, five years after Israeli soldiers fought their way through East Jerusalem and claimed his family's dry, rock-strewn plot as part of what the Jewish state proclaimed its 'eternal and indivisible capital

Arab American Journalist Joseph Farah: "Why Arabs Love Israel"...:

Far from being mistreated, the Arab population in Israel and in the territories administered by Israel has been freer than the population in any Arab state. Arabs in Israel vote. They elect leaders to the Knesset. They have their own political parties. They have their own newspapers. They have full rights to citizenship. They are free to speak their minds. As an Arab-American journalist who has spent a good deal of time covering the region, I can tell you there is more freedom for Arabs in Israel than in any Arab state.

Land cannot possibly be the contentious issue as the Arab and Muslim states in the region already have 800 times as much territory as Israel. The Arabs have 50 times the population of Israel. The Arabs have all of the oil reserves of the region. They have 21 states of their own – all varying shades of police states. It's difficult to imagine how one more will bring peace to a region that has known some of the most devastating and costly wars of the last century.

If conditions for Arabs are so bad in Israel, why is the Arab population exploding -- and I don't mean because of suicide bombers? Why do Arabs continue to flock to the tiny Jewish state from virtually every Arab and Muslim land in the world? In 1949, the Arab population of Israel was about 160,000. Today, it is over 1.2 million. This is hardly attributable to higher birth rates. Most of the growth in Arab population is due to migration. In other words, Arabs are picking up stakes in Arab lands and choosing to live in Israel.
This trend, of course, doesn't include Arab Jewish migration to Israel. No one talks about the staggering number of Arab Jewish refugees – as many as 1 million – who fled the Muslim world with little more than the clothes on their backs to reach the safety and security of the Jewish state in the last 50 years. We're led to believe Arabs hate Israel – and, indeed, it's true there is an irrational, inexplicable form of virulent anti-Semitism growing in the Arab and Muslim world. But when they vote with their feet, Arabs seem to love Israel. They continue to choose it as a place to live over life in their native countries as they have for the last half-century.

Why Arabs love Israel

 

[georgephillip]

"Worlds apart

"Israelis have always been horrified at the idea of parallels between their country, a democracy risen from the ashes of genocide, and the racist system that ruled the old South Africa.

"Yet even within Israel itself, accusations persist that the web of controls affecting every aspect of Palestinian life bears a disturbing resemblance to apartheid.

For Israeli Arabs It Is Not Apartheid
Khaled Abu Toameh

An Arab member of the Knesset who goes all the way to the US and Canada to tell university students and professors that Israel is an apartheid state is not only a hypocrite and a liar, but is also causing huge damage to the interests of his own Arab voters and constituents. If Israel were an apartheid state, what is this Arab doing in the Knesset? Doesn't apartheid mean that someone like this Knesset member would not, in the first place, even be permitted to run in an election?

Fortunately, Arab citizens can go to the same beaches, restaurants and shopping malls as Jews in this "apartheid" state. Moreover, they can run in any election and even have a minister in the government [Ghaleb Majadlah] for the first time. In this "apartheid" state, the Arab community has a free media that many Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip envy. Ironically, an Arab newspaper in Nazareth or Haifa that is licensed by Israel enjoys more freedom than the media controlled by Hamas and Fatah, as well as most corrupt Arab dictatorships.

Ironically, this Knesset member who is complaining about apartheid enjoys more privileges than most Jews and Arabs in Israel. As a parliamentarian, he is entitled to do many things that an ordinary citizen cannot do, thanks largely to the immunity he enjoys as an elected official. His parliamentary immunity allows him to enter areas that ordinary Jewish and Arab citizens do not have access to. This Knesset member, for example, travels to the Palestinian Authority-controlled territories which, for many years, have been off-limits to ordinary Israeli citizens.

This Knesset member also can sometimes even break the law by visiting "hostile" countries like Syria and Lebanon and holding public meetings with Hamas and Hizbullah leaders.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Tulkarm-Khodori-Institute-Al-Shami-Al-Ashqar/dp/1158026021/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288750385&sr=8-2]Amazon.com: Tulkarm: People From Tulkarm, Khodori Institute, Tulkarm, Ekrem Akurgal, Khaled Abu Toameh, Hasan Karmi, Abu Anas Al-Shami, Akram Al-Ashqar (9781158026029): Books LLC: Books: Reviews, Prices & more[/ame]

"There are few places in the world where governments construct a web of nationality and residency laws designed for use by one section of the population against another.

"Apartheid South Africa was one.

"So is Israel."

 

[Marc39]

"Worlds apart

"Israelis have always been horrified at the idea of parallels between their country, a democracy risen from the ashes of genocide, and the racist system that ruled the old South Africa.

"Yet even within Israel itself, accusations persist that the web of controls affecting every aspect of Palestinian life bears a disturbing resemblance to apartheid.

For Israeli Arabs It Is Not Apartheid
Khaled Abu Toameh

An Arab member of the Knesset who goes all the way to the US and Canada to tell university students and professors that Israel is an apartheid state is not only a hypocrite and a liar, but is also causing huge damage to the interests of his own Arab voters and constituents. If Israel were an apartheid state, what is this Arab doing in the Knesset? Doesn't apartheid mean that someone like this Knesset member would not, in the first place, even be permitted to run in an election?

Fortunately, Arab citizens can go to the same beaches, restaurants and shopping malls as Jews in this "apartheid" state. Moreover, they can run in any election and even have a minister in the government [Ghaleb Majadlah] for the first time. In this "apartheid" state, the Arab community has a free media that many Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip envy. Ironically, an Arab newspaper in Nazareth or Haifa that is licensed by Israel enjoys more freedom than the media controlled by Hamas and Fatah, as well as most corrupt Arab dictatorships.

Ironically, this Knesset member who is complaining about apartheid enjoys more privileges than most Jews and Arabs in Israel. As a parliamentarian, he is entitled to do many things that an ordinary citizen cannot do, thanks largely to the immunity he enjoys as an elected official. His parliamentary immunity allows him to enter areas that ordinary Jewish and Arab citizens do not have access to. This Knesset member, for example, travels to the Palestinian Authority-controlled territories which, for many years, have been off-limits to ordinary Israeli citizens.

This Knesset member also can sometimes even break the law by visiting "hostile" countries like Syria and Lebanon and holding public meetings with Hamas and Hizbullah leaders.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Tulkarm-Khodori-Institute-Al-Shami-Al-Ashqar/dp/1158026021/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288750385&sr=8-2]Amazon.com: Tulkarm: People From Tulkarm, Khodori Institute, Tulkarm, Ekrem Akurgal, Khaled Abu Toameh, Hasan Karmi, Abu Anas Al-Shami, Akram Al-Ashqar (9781158026029): Books LLC: Books: Reviews, Prices & more[/ame]

"There are few places in the world where governments construct a web of nationality and residency laws designed for use by one section of the population against another.

For Israeli Arabs It Is Not Apartheid
Khaled Abu Toameh

An Arab member of the Knesset who goes all the way to the US and Canada to tell university students and professors that Israel is an apartheid state is not only a hypocrite and a liar, but is also causing huge damage to the interests of his own Arab voters and constituents. If Israel were an apartheid state, what is this Arab doing in the Knesset? Doesn't apartheid mean that someone like this Knesset member would not, in the first place, even be permitted to run in an election?

Fortunately, Arab citizens can go to the same beaches, restaurants and shopping malls as Jews in this "apartheid" state. Moreover, they can run in any election and even have a minister in the government [Ghaleb Majadlah] for the first time. In this "apartheid" state, the Arab community has a free media that many Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip envy. Ironically, an Arab newspaper in Nazareth or Haifa that is licensed by Israel enjoys more freedom than the media controlled by Hamas and Fatah, as well as most corrupt Arab dictatorships.

Ironically, this Knesset member who is complaining about apartheid enjoys more privileges than most Jews and Arabs in Israel. As a parliamentarian, he is entitled to do many things that an ordinary citizen cannot do, thanks largely to the immunity he enjoys as an elected official. His parliamentary immunity allows him to enter areas that ordinary Jewish and Arab citizens do not have access to. This Knesset member, for example, travels to the Palestinian Authority-controlled territories which, for many years, have been off-limits to ordinary Israeli citizens.

This Knesset member also can sometimes even break the law by visiting "hostile" countries like Syria and Lebanon and holding public meetings with Hamas and Hizbullah leaders.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Tulkarm-Khodori-Institute-Al-Shami-Al-Ashqar/dp/1158026021/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288750385&sr=8]Amazon.com: Tulkarm: People From Tulkarm, Khodori Institute, Tulkarm, Ekrem Akurgal, Khaled Abu Toameh, Hasan Karmi, Abu Anas Al-Shami, Akram Al-Ashqar (9781158026029): Books LLC: Books: Reviews, Prices & more[/ame]

 

[georgephillip]

Are you a citizen of the US?
Israel?
Or both?

 

[Marc39]

Are you a citizen of the US?
Israel?
Or both?

You're too uneducated to know that the US permits dual-citizenship.

Now, you know.

 

[georgephillip]

"Apartheid was an extension of the colonial project to dispossess people of their land," said the Jewish South African cabinet minister and former ANC guerrilla, Ronnie Kasrils, on a visit to Jerusalem.

"'That is exactly what has happened in Israel and the occupied territories; the use of force and the law to take the land.

"'That is what apartheid and Israel have in common.'"

Worlds apart

 

[Marc39]

"Apartheid was an extension of the colonial project to dispossess people of their land," said the Jewish South African cabinet minister and former ANC guerrilla, Ronnie Kasrils, on a visit to Jerusalem.

Civil rights leader Rev. Malcolm Hedding, who fought apartheid in South Africa and who lives, today, in Israel, where he extols Israel's freedom and equal rights...

Essentially, apartheid was a totalitarian system of governance – not unlike many of the regimes in the Arab world today. A white minority subjugated the overwhelmingly black population. It was ideologically driven and obsessed with racial superiority. The superior whites could not mingle with or even sit on a bench with the inferior black peoples. Even the education system was “dumbed down” for black people because they were deemed mentally inferior.

THERE IS absolutely nothing equivalent to this in the dispute between the Palestinians and Israel today. Within Israel itself, Arabs and Jews share the same shopping malls, benches, hospitals, theaters and, in many cases, suburbs. The educational institutions do not have a
deliberately “dumbed down” Arab curriculum and the privilege of voting is given to all. The Knesset has Arab members, and Jews, Arabs and Palestinians often work together at construction sites, businesses, hotels and elsewhere.

Most important of all is the fact that Israel is a democratic state. Not a perfect one, but it does have democratic institutions and is definitely not governed by a totalitarian minority! In the disputed territories, some 98 percent of the Palestinian Arab population now lives under the governance of their own Palestinian Authority, where they have the right to vote and change their leaders – at least theoretically. True, Israel has adopted security measures that curtail their movement, but these have been necessitated by the conflict and are legitimate acts of self-defense, rather than acts of racial discrimination
This has absolutely nothing to do with apartheid. The State of Israel is a democracy which must answer to its citizens and thus has demonstrated a willingness to make painful concessions to secure a future of peace with its neighbors. In all cases, it alone has paid the real price by giving up land, which has then been used as a launching pad for further acts of terror. Even in response to Israel’s most generous peace overtures during the Oslo era, the Palestinians have opted for violence. Waves of suicide bombers attacked Israelis from the porous boundaries surrounding the West Bank. Men, women and children were indiscriminately murdered in buses, restaurants, hotels and shopping malls. To protect herself, Israel built a security barrier, which in some built-up areas consists of a wall. It was not built to segregate people or discriminate against them, but to protect its own citizens from attack. In this connection, the security fence has been highly successful though even Israelis admit it is regrettable.

Expose ?apartheid? charge's real agenda

 

[Marc39]

"Apartheid was an extension of the colonial project to dispossess people of their land," said the Jewish South African cabinet minister and former ANC guerrilla, Ronnie Kasrils, on a visit to Jerusalem.

"'That is exactly what has happened in Israel and the occupied territories; the use of force and the law to take the land.

What About The Arab Apartheid?
by Khaled Abu Toameh

How come the Lebanese students who recently talked about Israel's "war crimes" in the Gaza Strip during Israel Apartheid Week on many North American college campuses had nothing to say about the fact that tens of thousands of Palestinians have been massacred in Lebanon over the past four decades? Dozens of refugees were killed and hundreds wounded in the three-month offensive that also destroyed thousands of houses inside the refugee camp. Reporters said it was the worst internal violence in Lebanon since the civil war that hit the country between 1975-1990. And just three years ago, the Lebanese Army used heavy artillery to bomb the Nahr-al-Bared refugee camp in north Lebanon.

Yet who has ever heard of a United Nations resolution condemning Syria or Lebanon for committing horrific atrocities or discriminating against the Palestinians? The Lebanese, Syrian and Jordanian students and professors who took part in the anti-Israel events on campuses have clearly "forgotten" that their regimes probably have more Palestinian blood on their hands than Israel. In the early 1970s, the Jordanians slaughtered thousands of Palestinians in what has become known as Black September. Can somebody point to one United Nations resolution condemning that massacre?

And where was the United Nations when Kuwait and several Gulf countries expelled more than 400,000 Palestinians in one week? The exodus took place in March 1991, after Kuwait was liberated from Iraqi occupation. Ironically, the first week of March is being celebrated on university campuses as Israel Apartheid Week with no reference to the mass expulsion of Palestinians from the Gulf. Although there are more than 400,000 Palestinians living in Lebanon in twelve refugee camps -- which human rights organizations and Palestinians say have the worst living conditions of all the refugee camps in the Middle East -- as in most of the Arab countries, these Palestinians have been assigned the status of "foreigners," a fact which has deprived them of health care, social services, property ownership and education.

Even worse, Lebanese law bans Palestinians from working in many jobs. This means that Palestinians cannot work in the public services and institutions run by the government such as schools and hospitals. Unlike Israel, Lebanese public hospitals do not admit Palestinians for medical treatment or surgery. Can somebody imagine the outcry of the international community if Israel's parliament, the Knesset, passed a law today prohibiting Arabs from working in certain professions or receiving medical treatment? Ironically, the Arab citizens of Israel enjoy more rights in the Jewish state than their Palestinians brothers do in any Arab country.

What about the Arab apartheid? by Khaled Abu Toameh Israel, belegerd volk, cultuur en natie

 

[georgephillip]

"Others see the common ground in the scale of the suffering if not its causes.

"'If we take the magnitude of the injustice done to the Palestinians by the state of Israel, there is a basis for comparison with apartheid,'" said the former Israeli ambassador to South Africa, Alon Liel. "'If we take the magnitude of suffering, we are in the same league. Of course apartheid was a very different philosophy from what we do, most of which stems from security considerations.

"'But from the point of view of outcome, we are in the same league.'"

Worlds apart