Anybody know the spokesperson who said...

[amrchaos]

George W Bush

As has been evidenced by him, and later reinforced by Obama

Words do not make a decnt presidency!!

(quotes 1, 4 and 5 are give aways-- I remeber Bush saying something to that effect. )

Come on, if you read the thread carefully, you'd know that it wasn't President Bush.

Maybe this guy is even tougher than the Texas cowboy, huh?

That leaves only Dick Cheney


Wait---Donald Rumsfeld.

In the end it has to be a Neoconservative.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Yes how bout that "Hope & Change" stuff? I've heard many Presidents give this very same speech. I just didn't hear anything new or original in this speech. It actually kind of sounds like a whole lot of blustery justification for years and years of failed aggressive Foreign Interventionist policies to me. This is why i always say there aren't any real differences between NeoCons and Socialists. They're both staunch Internationalists/Globalists at the end of the day. "Hope" and "Change" really are simple mantras for simple minds.

 

[amrchaos]

Yes how bout that "Hope & Change" stuff? I've heard many Presidents give this very same speech. I just didn't hear anything new or original in this speech. It actually kind of sounds like a whole lot of blustery justification for years and years of failed aggressive Foreign Interventionist policies to me. This is why i always say there aren't any real differences between NeoCons and Socialists. They're both staunch Internationalists/Globalists at the end of the day. "Hope" and "Change" really are simple mantras for simple minds.

Because the Neocons are having their way with the "Spineless wonder", you now feel justified in say they are the same


No, my dear American--they are not the same. Let me claarify the difference!!

Neocons have an incredibly insane view of Geopolitics
Socialists have an incredibly insane view of Government finances.

They spread themselves thin and break the very instruments they need to advance their ideas and policies.

For the Neocons, this is the military. For socialists, this is the government.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

This speech sounded like your average NeoCon rant to me. NeoCons and Socialists really are the same entity in the end. They both strongly believe in aggressive Foreign Interventionist policies. We need real change in this country. Get rid of the Socialists and NeoCons.

 

[amrchaos]

This speech sounded like your average NeoCon rant to me. NeoCons and Socialists really are the same entity in the end. They both strongly believe in aggressive Foreign Interventionist policies. We need real change in this country. Get rid of the Socialists and NeoCons.

Hold on Lib--there are two types of socialists. There are the authoritarian type and the Libertarian type.

The Authoritarian types are the Joe Lieberman(Scoot Jackson??) Democrats and so forth. These types took us to Vietnam and would happily take us to Russia,China, Israel(that is right--they would even attack Israel) in order to shape the world to their liken.

The Libertarian types are the Dennis Kucinchs of the left. They will expand government until you have an actual nanny servng you oatmeal. They are more along the lines of Isolationists.

The Left is split along these lines, but it is the Libertarians types that win power.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This speech sounded like your average NeoCon rant to me. NeoCons and Socialists really are the same entity in the end. They both strongly believe in aggressive Foreign Interventionist policies. We need real change in this country. Get rid of the Socialists and NeoCons.

Hey, lib, are you confusing two different concepts?

Socialism is a plan for the economy, while NeoCons interest is foreign policy.

Not so?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Socialists and NeoCons both fully support aggressive Foreign Interventionist policies. They're both staunch Internationalists/Globalists at the end of the day. There are few real differences between the two. Just take a closer look at George Bush's crew and their policies. There was absolutely nothing Conservative about them and their policies yet many continue to label them Conservatives. If anything i would label George Bush "Socialist-Light" while labelling our current President a true hardcore Socialist. Their policies are almost identical. Hey just my take anyway.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Socialists and NeoCons both fully support aggressive Foreign Interventionist policies. They're both staunch Internationalists/Globalists at the end of the day. There are few real differences between the two. Just take a closer look at George Bush's crew and their policies. There was absolutely nothing Conservative about them and their policies yet many continue to label them Conservatives. If anything i would label George Bush "Socialist-Light" while labelling our current President a true hardcore Socialist. Their policies are almost identical. Hey just my take anyway.

I think it's time to review Socialism, an economic system, and a poor one at that.

https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2007&month=05

1. Modern history presents us with two divergent models of economic arrangement: socialism, and capitalism. One of these appears preoccupied with the common good, and social betterment, the other with profits and production.

2. In its modern beginnings, socialism was optimistic and well intentioned, without the overlay of its contemporary varieties that tend to bemoan prosperity, romanticize poverty, and promote a view that place individual rights are a secondary concern. This is to say that the earliest socialists sought the fullest possible flourishing of humanity, “the common good.”

3. A half-century before Karl Marx published the Communist Manifesto, there was Gracchus Babeuf’s Plebeian Manifesto, which was later renamed the Manifesto of the Equals. Babeuf’s early (1796) work has been described as socialist, anarchist, and communist, and has had an enormous impact. He wrote: “The French Revolution was nothing but a precursor of another revolution, on which will be bigger, more solemn, and which will be the last…We reach for something more sublime and more just: the common good or the community of goods! Nor more individual property in land: the land belongs to no one. We demand, we want, the common enjoyment of the fruits of the land: the fruits belong to all.” Here, then, are the major themes of socialist theory. It takes very little interpolation to find that opponents profit at the expense of the environment, and conditions of inequality in society.

4. For Babeur, socialism would distribute prosperity across the entire population, as it would “[have] us eat four good meals a day, [dress} us most elegantly, and also [provide] those of us who are fathers of families with charming houses worth a thousand louis each.”

5. Oscar Wilde: “Under socialism…there will be no people living in fetid dens and fetid rags, and bringing up unhealthy, hunger pinched children in the midst of impossible and absolutely repulsive surroundings…Each member of society will share in the general prosperity and happiness of the society…”

6. Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong! Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes.

7. These economic advances continued throughout the period of the rise of socialist ideology. The poor didn’t get poorer because the rich were getting richer (a familiar socialist refrain even today) as the socialists had predicted. Instead, the underlying reality was that capitalism had created the first societies in history in which living standards were rising in all sectors of society.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Socialists/NeoCons. I see no real differences between the two. Barack Obama hasn't done anything different than George Bush or John McCain would have done. Those two are merely Socialists-Light while the other is a hardcore Socialist/Marxist. This country does crave change and the only way to achieve that change is to give the boot to all Socialists once and for all. I hope this happens but i'm not holding my breath. Both parties will continue to play that trick on us every four years that they're so different. It's a good trick and it does work. How sad.