Any Musk Haters out there bold enough to have a real discussion on Elon Musk?

[Harry Dresden]

He's a fake ***** put forth by the establishment just like the other fake ***** Trump. This is to give the angry but dumb white guys the illusion that their voice is finally being heard.

if they are so fake.....why do they seem to be running the show?...

 

[martybegan]

Sorry, I've lovin' Musk. I find it incredible that two guys worth billions, one the richest guy in the world, both with far better selfish things they /could/ be doing, are instead busting a nut working their asses off, trying to make this country a better, proper place because they realize that no elected career politician can be trusted to get it done.

The thing is that's how the system started. Men of means were the Founding Fathers, they donated their time and efforts to the nation for the greater good.

Also the concept of the civil servant used to be just that. Now government workers consider themselves part of some new nobility.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The thing is that's how the system started. Men of means were the Founding Fathers, they donated their time and efforts to the nation for the greater good.

Also the concept of the civil servant used to be just that. Now government workers consider themselves part of some new nobility.

you ever work for the govt marty?......in my 33 years there i never seen anyone have that nobility bullshit....

 

[martybegan]

you ever work for the govt marty?......in my 33 years there i never seen anyone have that nobility bullshit....

I work for a consultant that does government work.

And I see it all the time. WE ARE AGENCY X

 

[Correll]

He's a fake ***** put forth by the establishment just like the other fake ***** Trump. This is to give the angry but dumb white guys the illusion that their voice is finally being heard.

IN reality, Trump and Musk are representing our interests and thus our voice is finally being heard.

ANd that is why you are so angry. YOu hate that "white guys" are getting their way for once.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I work for a consultant that does government work.

And I see it all the time. WE ARE AGENCY X

so you dont work in one of their buildings so how would you know about this nobility bullshit?...

 

[jbrownson0831]

Are there any Musk haters out there who would like to state what they believe motivates Elon Musk? Is it money? Is it power? Is it the attention? Is it something else? Let's see if anyone of you can clearly state WHY you hate him, WHEN you discovered you hated him and WHAT you believe motivates him. And anything else you would care to add.

To start the discussion, I will offer my opinion FWIW. I think Elon recognizes what an incredible point in American history this is. He also recognizes what a truly remarkable man Donald Trump is. By the sheer force of his will, he reshaped the aimless and feckless GOP and has all but rendered the Democratic Party helpless. When he survived the assassination attempt in Butler Pa by literally a fraction of an inch, that was the epiphany moment for Elon. "This man is history in the making and by God I am going to help him make it!".

So what say you, besides of course your silly "funny" emojis that I love to collect. Anything? Anything at all? Let's see.

They are too embarassed since they all drive Teslas.

 

[martybegan]

so you dont work in one of their buildings so how would you know about this nobility bullshit?...

The G whatever plates, the fact they make more now than the average worker, the fact they feel so slighted by having to justify their work, the fact that they are one of the few groups that still get pensions, the fact that they create massive voting blocs in local governments, the very governments they work for and that are supposed to be guardians of the people, not beholden to the employees that got them elected.

Even FDR thought civil service unions were a terrible idea. and now we see why.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The G whatever plates, the fact they make more now than the average worker, the fact they feel so slighted by having to justify their work, the fact that they are one of the few groups that still get pensions, the fact that they create massive voting blocs in local governments, the very governments they work for and that are supposed to be guardians of the people, not beholden to the employees that got them elected.

Even FDR thought civil service unions were a terrible idea. and now we see why.

maybe you should have got a govt job marty.....

 

[martybegan]

maybe you should have got a govt job marty.....

Maybe we should stop letting government unions have undue influence on the government levels that employ them.

This isn't sustainable. Especially since the constantly underfund the pensions.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Maybe we should stop letting government unions have undue influence on the government levels that employ them.

This isn't sustainable. Especially since the constantly underfund the pensions.

do federal workers get treated better by their bosses than private work places?....if there is a safety issue do they take care of it without any outside people getting involved?.....

 

[MarathonMike]

He's a fake ***** put forth by the establishment just like the other fake ***** Trump. This is to give the angry but dumb white guys the illusion that their voice is finally being heard.

A Stage 4 TDS case checks in! Thanks for your stunning insights.

 

[toobfreak]

The thing is that's how the system started. Men of means were the Founding Fathers, they donated their time and efforts to the nation for the greater good.

Sure, because they were personally vested in seeing America succeed--- it wasn't just a job, they wanted free of England, so they lived and breathed their efforts.

Also the concept of the civil servant used to be just that. Now government workers consider themselves part of some new nobility.

That they do. But Trump is imbuing DC now with a newly realigned perspective.

 

[MayorQuimby]

A Stage 4 TDS case checks in! Thanks for your stunning insights.

Nope. Try again. Not a TDS. I hate Dems more than I hate Trump, however, that does not mean Trump is good.

 

[martybegan]

do federal workers get treated better by their bosses than private work places?....if there is a safety issue do they take care of it without any outside people getting involved?.....

Their bosses except for the political appointees are also part of the civil service and thus civil service union members.

 

[MayorQuimby]

IN reality, Trump and Musk are representing our interests and thus our voice is finally being heard.

ANd that is why you are so angry. YOu hate that "white guys" are getting their way for once.

Nope. I don't hate white guys. You are talking to the wrong person. Secondly, if you think you are "getting your way", just wait till they screw you over and shoot a fat load in where you don't want that fat load.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Their bosses except for the political appointees are also part of the civil service and thus civil service union members.

you didnt answer my question marty.....i have no idea what you are trying to say here....but you didnt answer what i asked...

 

[martybegan]

you didnt answer my question marty.....i have no idea what you are trying to say here....but you didnt answer what i asked...

I answered you, I just don't go for aha gotcha bullshit.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I answered you, I just don't go for aha gotcha bullshit.

you did?.....where?....i asked you....do federal workers get treated better by their bosses than private work places?....if there is a safety issue do they take care of it without any outside people getting involved?.....where the hell is that a aha gotcha bullshit?...

 

[martybegan]

you did?.....where?....i asked you....do federal workers get treated better by their bosses than private work places?....if there is a safety issue do they take care of it without any outside people getting involved?.....where the hell is that a aha gotcha bullshit?...

They have to be begged to go back to work in the office 5 days a week, so yes they do get treated better seemingly.

In any event this is just a distraction from the main issue. Most government jobs come with ZERO accountability.