ANTIFA Is it a Terrorist Organization or Freedom Fighters?

[martybegan]

They are not anarchists they are communists

Anarchists are the ones that think you can skip the "dictatorship of the proletariat" step to achive the classless/governmentless society.

 

[Soupnazi630]

They show up at neo nazi events armed to fight. And I don't have a problem with that. Trump and the right demonize them, hoping to get them out of the way so they can do whatever they want. So here we are talking but Antifa because ICE has hired white supremacists who are masked and refuse to show identification while terrorizing anyone not white, not criminal, and in many cases American citizens. So here we see the government creating a smokescreen to cover for its tyranny. Smebody has to fight this shit, so I don't have a problem with Antifa.

WRONG

There are no such neo nazi events

ICE is a racially diverse government agency

So everything you claim is a bullshit lie

 

[martybegan]

They show up at neo nazi events armed to fight. And I don't have a problem with that. Trump and the right demonize them, hoping to get them out of the way so they can do whatever they want. So here we are talking but Antifa because ICE has hired white supremacists who are masked and refuse to show identification while terrorizing anyone not white, not criminal, and in many cases American citizens. So here we see the government creating a smokescreen to cover for its tyranny. Smebody has to fight this shit, so I don't have a problem with Antifa.

They show up at peaceful prayer concerts ready to fight.

 

[IM2]

Fascism utilizes militarism for the suppression of their opposition.... and that is ANTIFA in a nutshell...

No *****, that's what Trump is doing. Antifa is not even really organized.

 

[g5000]

ook up the word fascist...

Maybe you should have.

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by dictatorial leadership, centralized power, militarism, and suppression of opposition.

 

[Soupnazi630]

No *****, that's what Trump is doing. Antifa is not even really organized.

Antifa is organized.

groups like antifa cannot show up by the hundreds to riot without organizing you morn

 

[martybegan]

No *****, that's what Trump is doing. Antifa is not even really organized.

That's a feature of a cellular terror/resistance organization, not a bug.

 

[IM2]

Maybe you should have.

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by dictatorial leadership, centralized power, militarism, and suppression of opposition.

Exactly. Every single word describes what Trump is doing.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

What freedoms are they fighting for?

The freedom to smash windows, block traffic and burn buildings.

 

[Zincwarrior]

They are not anarchists they are communists

COmmunists have a plan. Anarchists are...well less organized.

 

[Zincwarrior]

That's a feature of a cellular terror/resistance organization, not a bug.

True, but thats not these guys so far.

 

[the watcher]

ANTIFA freedom fighter or terrorist?​

I believe that the US view is that if they have announced " a right to exist", receive unlimited money from us, and are in regular contact with our Congress, and provide unlimited "free "intelligence to us to guide our foreign policy they are freedom fighters. They meet none of these standards.

 

[martybegan]

True, but thats not these guys so far.

They have the organization and the desire, but most of them haven't reached the line of "manning the barricades"

It's funny they make fun of boomers so much and yet the leftist boomers showed far more aggressiveness in their actions.

 

[Soupnazi630]

COmmunists have a plan. Anarchists are...well less organized.

Antifa are communists with a plan

 

[JohnDB]

From GROK:


There is no single official Antifa website, as Antifa is not a centralized organization but a decentralized movement of anti-fascist activists. Various groups operate independently, and some maintain their own websites or social media presence to share information, organize events, or promote their activities. For example, Rose City Antifa in Portland, Oregon, has a website (rosecityantifa.org) where they outline their mission to counter fascist organizing

 

[WEATHER53]

We are already fee
“fighting” for it is a make pretend excuse for violence

 

[JWBooth]

A terrorist organisation.

 

[JohnDB]

From Google AI:

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by dictatorial leadership, centralized autocracy, militarism, suppression of opposition, and belief in a natural social hierarchy. It emphasizes the importance of the nation above all else and often involves violence to achieve national rejuvenation, including imperialist ambitions and the demonization of outgroups. Fascism rejects liberal democracy and embraces a totalitarian one-party state.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• • Nationalism:
    Fascism places the nation at the center of its ideology, often promoting an intense form of nationalism that can manifest as expansionism or a desire to restore a nation's past greatness.
    
  • Authoritarianism:
    Fascist regimes are characterized by strong, centralized leadership, often with a dictatorial leader who controls all aspects of the state.
    
  • Militarism:
    Fascism often glorifies military power and the use of violence to achieve national goals.
    
  • Suppression of Opposition:
    Fascist regimes typically suppress dissent and opposition through censorship, propaganda, and violence.
    
  • Social Hierarchy:
    Fascism often believes in a natural social hierarchy, with some groups seen as superior to others.
    
  • Rejection of Liberal Democracy:
    Fascism rejects the principles of liberal democracy, such as individual rights, freedom of speech, and representative government.
    

 

[JohnDB]

However....
GROK has a more better explanation. Similar but DEFINITELY NOT EQUAL. :

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology characterized by centralized control, suppression of dissent, and the prioritization of the state or nation over individual rights. Emerging in the early 20th century, it is most closely associated with Benito Mussolini’s regime in Italy (1922–1943), which coined the term from the Italian fascio (bundle), symbolizing strength through unity.###

Key Features of Fascism- *
Authoritarian Leadership*: Fascism revolves around a strong, charismatic leader (e.g., Mussolini, Hitler) who embodies the nation’s will and holds near-absolute power.- *

Ultranationalism*: It promotes extreme devotion to the nation, often tied to ethnic or cultural superiority, rejecting multiculturalism or minority rights.-

Suppression of Opposition: Fascist regimes dismantle democratic institutions, censor media, and use violence or propaganda to silence dissent, often targeting leftists, unions, and minorities.-

Militarism: Fascism glorifies war and military strength as expressions of national vitality, often pursuing aggressive expansionism.-

Corporatism: The economy is tightly controlled, with state-directed collaboration between corporations and government to prioritize national goals over individual or class interests.-

Anti-Individualism: Individual rights are subordinated to the collective will of the state or nation, with loyalty to the regime paramount.-

Propaganda and Symbolism: Fascist movements use powerful imagery, rallies, and myths (e.g., reviving a glorified past) to unify the populace and demonize enemies.-

Scapegoating: Minorities, immigrants, or other groups are blamed for societal problems, fostering division and justifying repression.

### Historical Examples-

Italy (1922–1943): Mussolini’s National Fascist Party established a totalitarian state, suppressed socialism, and allied with Nazi Germany. It glorified Italian nationalism and pursued imperial ambitions in Africa.-

Nazi Germany (1933–1945): Adolf Hitler’s regime combined fascism with extreme racism, anti-Semitism, and eugenics, leading to the Holocaust and World War II.-

Spain (1939–1975): Francisco Franco’s regime, while less ideologically rigid, shared fascist traits like authoritarianism and nationalism, rooted in Falangist principles.-

Other Variants: Fascist-inspired movements appeared in Japan (Shōwa nationalism), Romania (Iron Guard), and elsewhere, adapting to local contexts.###

Modern Context
Fascism as a formal ideology waned after World War II, but its elements persist in some far-right movements. Terms like “neo-fascism” describe groups that echo fascist themes, such as ultranationalism or anti-immigrant rhetoric, without fully replicating historical regimes.

Critics of fascism, like the Torch Network or other anti-fascist groups, often focus on combating these modern iterations, citing their potential to erode democratic norms.

### Why It’s Relevant
Fascism is studied for its historical impact and as a warning against authoritarianism. Its emphasis on division, propaganda, and centralized power remains a reference point in debates about political extremism today. If you want specifics on fascism in a particular country, era, or its opposition (e.g., Antifa’s response), let me know, and I can dig deeper.

 

[Doc7505]

What word do you use to describe a group of Left wing malcontents who live in their parents basement that go around terrorizing people and vandalizing things?

How about calling them losers?

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Antifa groups are paid to commit violence, arson, murder and fear by the DSA Marxist Democrats.