Anti-lifers

[AllieBaba]

Dumbshit. I just came from a training on domestic violence. The last of many I have had in my career.

People who abuse their kids DON'T WANT TO ABORT. The whole concept of "if you eliminate abortion all these unwanted kids are going to suffer" is bullshit. Child abuse and neglect have INCREASED with abortion. They haven't decreased. You de-humanize children and make them disposable, and people will treat them as trash.

How ******* stupid do you have to be not to get it?

 

[xsited1]

In nearly 2 years that's the most upsetting thing I've read.

Right. Fortunately, slaves are now considered human beings and are given full rights (in civilized countries). Minorities have been given full rights. Gays and lesbians have numerous laws protecting them. Next in line are the unborn. And as I said, I don't believe history will judge the pro-choicers kindly (or those who support the pro-choicers).

If you're a religious person who believes in Hell and you're also pro-choice, killing the unborn sounds like a very serious sin to me. I would not want to be in their shoes come Judgement Day.

I am a Christian. I believe in heaven and hell. I am pro choice up to the point I have already expressed in this thread. Clearly you think I am guilty of a terrible sin and am going straight to hell.

You, on the other hand are clearly pro-life, view yourself as free from sin, and will be welcomed into paradise on Judgement Day.

Perhaps I could ask you to pray for me?

I view myself as free from sin???

 

[AllieBaba]

Random association again.

Or just outright lying. Which is what the pro-abortion sect has to revert to. They can't win an argument without it.

 

[Anguille]

Definitely, but I wouldn't let the 16 year old raise the child for many reasons,

So you believe in stealing someone's child for no valid reason...
Very interesting, the way you think- you don't give a damn about the child, yet you want to punish the girl and view the baby as a means of achieving that.

many anti-abortionists would rather let them both die ....

Now you're just lying.

Projection is strong in this one.

1. Many anti-abortionists would rather both the mother and child die than allow an abortion to at least save the mother's life if both are in danger, or if just the mother's life is in danger more anti-abortionists would rather the mother die than allow an abortion. Note the important word "many" ... and I know a few on here that fit that as well.

2. It's not stealing babies. Traditionally offspring were raised by tribes, not single parents, especially not by parents that already proved to be irresponsible. Some of the best parents were those who adopt, because they wanted to raise the child ... while many who get abortions as a means of birth control would not want to raise the child in the first place, and even if they did want to, a 16 year old is not a valid parent ... they still need their own parents to tell them what to do.

3. When you accuse someone of being dishonest, you must show proof they are, otherwise it is you who is being dishonest, not them.

I sometimes think it would be a fine thing if those who are so gung ho on forcing women to go through pregnancies and then give up the child on top of it, would have to go through the same thing themselves. Except I'd never wish that sort of start in life on any child.

 

[AllieBaba]

ONCE AGAIN SINCE YOU SEEM TO BE CHALLENGED. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT ABORTION HAS ANY INFLUENCE ON CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT.

Unless you want to address the fact that both have increased in step with abortion.

Or maybe you're actually arguing that poor people shouldn't be ALLOWED to have children?

 

[Anguille]

Rape victims count for approximately zero percent of women seeking abortions.

Talk about spin!!!

Technically any woman who gets pregnant while she is under the age of consent has been raped.

 

[AllieBaba]

Now you go tell the abortion factories that, because they shelter the pricks who get the girls pregnant. Everyone else in the health profession is a mandatory reporter.

 

[Anguille]

I only support pro-choice if the sexual act that created the offspring was NOT voluntary with both partners. Did you get raped? I don't support it on any day, if not.

What kind of punishment, if any, do you think would be appropriate and equitable for the male partner of a woman who engaged in sex and got pregnant? Do you think people who use birth control but still get pregnant should be punished as well? Any compassion for the woman whose pregnancy may render her infertile or worse, kill her?

 

[Anguille]

History will not remember pro-choicers kindly. They will be remembered the same as 19th century slave owners. I would not like to be in their shoes come Judgement Day.

In nearly 2 years that's the most upsetting thing I've read.

Right. Fortunately, slaves are now considered human beings and are given full rights (in civilized countries). Minorities have been given full rights. Gays and lesbians have numerous laws protecting them. Next in line are the unborn. And as I said, I don't believe history will judge the pro-choicers kindly (or those who support the pro-choicers).

If you're a religious person who believes in Hell and you're also pro-choice, killing the unborn sounds like a very serious sin to me. I would not want to be in their shoes come Judgement Day.

You have been on this relating slavery to abortion kick for a few days now. It's good analogy but you've got it ass backwards. Pro slavery and pro forced birthers will be regarded in the same unfavorable light in the future. For what is a person who would force a woman against her will to become a human incubator if not just another slave holder?

 

[Anguille]

a fetus needs and is part of the Mother's body.

How many times must I explain this?

So anyone who needs a woman's body can just take it?

 

[xsited1]

In nearly 2 years that's the most upsetting thing I've read.

Right. Fortunately, slaves are now considered human beings and are given full rights (in civilized countries). Minorities have been given full rights. Gays and lesbians have numerous laws protecting them. Next in line are the unborn. And as I said, I don't believe history will judge the pro-choicers kindly (or those who support the pro-choicers).

If you're a religious person who believes in Hell and you're also pro-choice, killing the unborn sounds like a very serious sin to me. I would not want to be in their shoes come Judgement Day.

You have been on this relating slavery to abortion kick for a few days now. It's good analogy but you've got it ass backwards. Pro slavery and pro forced birthers will be regarded in the same unfavorable light in the future. For what is a person who would force a woman against her will to become a human incubator if not just another slave holder?

It's not a 'kick'. If you look at the rights given people over the centuries, you'll see that I am correct and history will prove it. I find it amazing that people view women as 'human incubators' and unborn children as fetuses that can be discarded at will. I simply cannot fathom that mindset, although I realize how easy it is for some people to be brainwashed in this way.

 

[Anguille]

ONCE AGAIN SINCE YOU SEEM TO BE CHALLENGED. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT ABORTION HAS ANY INFLUENCE ON CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT.

So why do you claim that an increase in abortion availability has caused an increase in child abuse?

Allie, I have a sneaking suspicion, having read many of your virulant and fallacious posts over the past two years, that you are involved in the very profitable adoption industry. Naturally it would be in your best interest financially to see access to abortion curbed, especially for young and lower income girls. They are your best source of product, aren't they? White infants born in the US are highly sought after. No wonder you spend so much time trying to convince these poor girls to go through with the nine months of pregnancy and then hand their newborn over to the adoption agencies. I cannot fathom the cold heartedness it must take to convince a frightened young girl that abortion will scar her for life, all the while knowing that for a woman to have to part with her newborn, after having nourished it within her body is just about the most heart wrenching, emotionally scarring thing any woman should have to suffer. Maybe you even work at one of those fake pregnancy advice clinics when they don't even mention abortion as an option. Where some of them even give free pregnancy tests and then lie to the girls and tell them they aren't pregnant, hoping they won't figure out that they are till it's too late to abort.
Shame on you, Allie , if you are one of these who exploit poor and innocent girls for profit.

 

[AllieBaba]

What a ******* nut.

Let's talk fallacious. #1 Fallacy: Choosing life is "punishment". #2 Fallacy: Abortion means less child abuse and neglect. #3 Fallacy, eliminating abortion means we'll have a whole population of women "forced" into pregnancy and ultimately death.

What a bunch of horseshit.

 

[tigerbob]

Right. Fortunately, slaves are now considered human beings and are given full rights (in civilized countries). Minorities have been given full rights. Gays and lesbians have numerous laws protecting them. Next in line are the unborn. And as I said, I don't believe history will judge the pro-choicers kindly (or those who support the pro-choicers).

If you're a religious person who believes in Hell and you're also pro-choice, killing the unborn sounds like a very serious sin to me. I would not want to be in their shoes come Judgement Day.

I am a Christian. I believe in heaven and hell. I am pro choice up to the point I have already expressed in this thread. Clearly you think I am guilty of a terrible sin and am going straight to hell.

You, on the other hand are clearly pro-life, view yourself as free from sin, and will be welcomed into paradise on Judgement Day.

Perhaps I could ask you to pray for me?

I view myself as free from sin???

I meant free from it as far as the subject under discussion.

Either way, it doesn't really matter. If you really feel I am going to hell and you are a Christian, then say a prayer for me.

In my experience, and this thread is in many ways a good example, far too many Christians are quite happy to sit in judgement of others on this subject, many of them using the most vile names while they do so. Not many ever remember to say a prayer for those they feel are sinning. I'm familiar with your posts and, to a degree, the kind of person you are, and I'm sure you're not one of these.

 

[Anguille]

What a ******* nut.

Let's talk fallacious. #1 Fallacy: Choosing life is "punishment". #2 Fallacy: Abortion means less child abuse and neglect. #3 Fallacy, eliminating abortion means we'll have a whole population of women "forced" into pregnancy and ultimately death.

What a bunch of horseshit.

So you don't deny my suspicions. I was hoping against hope you had not sunk so low.

 

[AllieBaba]

Your suspicions are just evidence of your idiocy. You have yet to support any of your ridiculous claims regarding abortion.

 

[Anguille]

I'm familiar with your posts and, to a degree, the kind of person you are, and I'm sure you're not one of these.

Perhaps you did not see the thread that was deleted on Sat.

 

[AllieBaba]

What does that have to do with the lie that he thinks himself sinless?

 

[Anguille]

Your suspicions are just evidence of your idiocy. You have yet to support any of your ridiculous claims regarding abortion.

So. once again, you do not deny that you are part of the adoption industry that exploits young low income girls and women?

 

[AllieBaba]

Is that all you can do?

It's telling that you don't even attempt to back your ridiculous claims.