"Anti-Democracy"? Democracy is actually not an American Principle, the Founders warned against it

[Curried Goats]

Well maybe if the dems quit harping on "democracy" while at the same time promoting dismantling the electoral college more folks might not see it as the canard that it is.

The dems are promoting a handful of blue states running the country by popular vote.....Nevermind most of those states are abject failures.

Every decent human being should want to dismantle the electoral college. It can't be defended with logic and reason. It was designed to protect the interest of slave states. Again, you morons have things ass backwards.

 

[Bleipriester]

Of course, they advocated for a representative republic.. but "democracy"? No. Democracy itself is evil.

It gives the right of 2 unified people to kill a third person for whatever reason they desire. AKA "Mob rule".

America is not "mob rule". Sorry Democrats.

lol

 

[Curried Goats]

Who are you talking to? There are no slavers here.

The OP is the one who cited the "mob rule" logic of Slavers. Take it up with them.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

We're a Constitutional Representative Republic, like it or not.

which is a form of democracy.

 

[Curried Goats]

Ok skippy. Go bite at someone else's ankles, I'm out.

Let me know when you can get passed personal insults and make rational arguments opposed to majority rule. You prefer minority rule?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Of course, they advocated for a representative republic.. but "democracy"? No. Democracy itself is evil.

It gives the right of 2 unified people to kill a third person for whatever reason they desire. AKA "Mob rule".

America is not "mob rule". Sorry Democrats.

A representative republic is a form of democracy.

What you are saying is akin to saying "that is not a car, it is a Honda Civic"

 

[Redheaded Stranger]

Every decent human being should want to dismantle the electoral college.

It was designed to balance urban vs. rural, fake Chinese-Indian-Jamaican guy.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

de·moc·ra·cy
/dəˈmäkrəsē/
noun

1. a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

 

[Curried Goats]

It was designed to balance urban vs. rural, fake Chinese-Indian-Jamaican guy.

It was designed to protect slavery. Why should rural voters get special protection?

 

[DStar777]

A representative republic is a form of democracy.

Technically the term democracy means unlimited majority rule. Anyone opposed to slavery wouldn't want that. Otherwise slavery would be on the ballot for a vote or enacted by the vote of a legislature. Thank God for the 13th Amendment (based on the principle of Individual Rights in the DOI).

 

[DStar777]

It was designed to protect slavery. Why should rural voters get special protection?

Slavery is outlawed and unconstitutional so come up with another excuse to oppose it.

 

[Curried Goats]

Technically the term democracy means unlimited majority rule. Anyone opposed to slavery wouldn't want that. Otherwise slavery would be on the ballot for a vote or enacted by the vote of a legislature. Thank God for the 13th Amendment (based on the principle of Individual Rights in the DOI).

That's not an argument in favor of minority rule, it's simply an argument in favor of constitutional protections.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Technically the term democracy means unlimited majority rule.

See post 28 for the meaning of the word.

What you describe is a Direct Democracy

 

[Redheaded Stranger]

It was designed to protect slavery. Why should rural voters get special protection?

Because popular vote would mean only needing to campaign in urban areas.

2/3 of the US population is in 5-10% of US geography. A popular vote would mean a candidate only has to campaign in big cities. States like ND, SD, MT, WY, ID, NE, OK, etc. could virtually be skipped.

Founders foresaw the rise of bigger cities, and proposed the plan. It really was genius.

 

[Curried Goats]

Slavery is outlawed and unconstitutional so come up with another excuse to oppose it.

We both just did. It was designed to protect slavery and since we no longer have slavery what's the argument for keeping it?

 

[Curried Goats]

Because popular vote would mean only needing to campaign in urban areas.

2/3 of the US population is in 5-10% of US geography. A popular vote would mean a candidate only has to campaign in big cities. States like ND, SD, MT, WY, ID, NE, OK, etc. could virtually be skipped.

Founders foresaw the rise of bigger cities, and proposed the plan. It really was genius.

I don't care about what slavers wanted. The logic of slavers and appealing to the authority of slavers does nothing for me. Use logic instead. We can either have majority rule or minority rule. If you want to make a case for minority rule then let's hear it. Personally I think the people who get the most votes from actual people should win elections.

 

[Redheaded Stranger]

I love how you all are too stupid to understand exactly why the Plantation/Slave owning aristocracy was anti Democratic. Haven't sussed that one out for yourselves yet huh?

What do you find vague about my post? Of course Slavers are anti democratic. That's a given. People holding other people in forceful bondage are inherently against those people having a say on their own legal status. Fucking DUH! you God damn morons. I guess you really couldn't sus that one out yourselves.

You can call it whatever the fuck you feel like Moron, what you can't do is explain your reasoning or logic for siding with Slavers. Either way I can vote so they lost, ultimately.

Every decent human being should want to dismantle the electoral college. It can't be defended with logic and reason. It was designed to protect the interest of slave states. Again, you morons have things ass backwards.

Let me know when you can get passed personal insults and make rational arguments opposed to majority rule. You prefer minority rule?

 

[Redheaded Stranger]

I don't care about what slavers wanted. The logic of slavers and appealing to the authority of slavers does nothing for me. Use logic instead. We can either have majority rule or minority rule. If you want to make a case for minority rule then let's hear it. Personally I think the people who get the most votes from actual people should win elections.

It was about urban vs. rural. Go back to sleep.

 

[Curried Goats]

Didn't you call me a fake Chinese Indian Jamaican? Did you see me catch feelings over it?

 

[Curried Goats]

It was about urban vs. rural. Go back to sleep.

Explain that with a bit more detail. Why exactly did rural voters need an extra helping hand via the electoral college?