Another Truth Some Can't Handle

[Mac1958]

I've been wondering for a while if it's possible that municipalities can simply become too big.

A city begins to grow, and then keeps growing, as long as it attracts skilled workers. Then at some point, the growth becomes exponential and feeds on itself as it creates its own gravity with dynamic resources and business activity. But then it seems to reach a tipping point as it also attracts people who are a net drain on resources.

Hmm. That's not a conversation for here, obviously, but I may have it elsewhere.

 

[Monoculturalist]

We hear and read people here downing blue states and arrogantly declaring the greatness of red states. Like everything else, the declarations are factually untrue. The reality is that blue states carry the red ones. It is the red states that are literally welfare states.

Newsom Lets Loose On GOP Trashing Blue Cities: We Create ‘71% of the Country’s GDP’​

California Governor Gavin Newsom (D) went to bat for the economic power of his state in a recent sitdown with podcaster Shawn Ryan, who is part of the so-called “manopshere” of new media.

“What separates our game from the game played elsewhere is innovation, entrepreneurialism, more patents, more engineers, more researchers, more Nobel laureates in my state than any other damn state, more Fortune 500 companies in my state than any other state. Look that up, because I know people are rolling their eyes and say, ‘No, it’s Texas.’ You’re wrong,” Newsom said.

“It’s true. I looked it up,” agreed Ryan, a former Navy SEAL turned popular podcast host.

“And we’re, by the way, a donor state. We provided $83.1 billion more than we received from the federal government. Texas took $71.1 billion.

"nine out of the ten dependent states—welfare states—are Trump states. The donor states disproportionately are the blue states,”

71% of the country’s GDP comes from blue counties—these same cracked-up counties with all these crazy liberals. They can’t get out of their own goddamn way and the world’s come to an end. It’s 71% the economy of the goddamn country, man.

Newsom Lets Loose On GOP Trashing Blue Cities: We Create ‘71% of the Country’s GDP’

"We provided $83.1 billion more than we received from the federal government... Pretty proud of my goddamn state,” Newsom said.

www.mediaite.com

Nowadays, the divide is less about states than it is about urban, suburban, and rural counties. We traditionally look at it as states, since they are the most significant in terms of electoral votes, but most cities at 100,000 or more people tend to be blue. Most rural areas tend to be red. Suburban areas are more of a mix.

If it were logistically feasible for the big cities to be one nation and all of the rural and suburban areas to be another, I'd be all for it. Big cities do have a lot of the GDP, but they also have a lot of the debt and liabilities. The best places to live in terms of affordability and crime tend to be suburban, since they usually have a favorable ratio of resources to people while less taxes and lower costs than urban areas.

The significance of states really comes into play with state governments. Say what you will about red states, but I'd rather live in a state without an income tax and with gun laws that are less restrictive, like Tennessee. You can scoff at rural areas for having poverty and less GDP, but they ultimately feed the urban areas. You can't make money if you don't have food.

Also, there is plenty of poverty in urban areas, which typically results in crime, and then white flight. This is why suburban areas are usually the ideal, since they are usually cheap enough to be preferable over the city but still expensive enough to keep out the riffraff.

 

[Monoculturalist]

I've been wondering for a while if it's possible that municipalities can simply become too big.

A city begins to grow, and then keeps growing, as long as it attracts skilled workers. Then at some point, the growth becomes exponential and feeds on itself as it creates its own gravity with dynamic resources and business activity. But then it seems to reach a tipping point as it also attracts people who are a net drain on resources.

Hmm. That's not a conversation for here, obviously, but I may have it elsewhere.

This tends to be more of a problem that stems from a welfare state. Without a welfare state, poverty tends to resolve itself. If you don't work, you either don't eat, or you depend on the charity of others. Unlike government, charity tends to be more efficient, and it has the option of cutting off people that attempt to abuse the system.

 

[IM2]

Nowadays, the divide is less about states than it is about urban, suburban, and rural counties. We traditionally look at it as states, since they are the most significant in terms of electoral votes, but most cities at 100,000 or more people tend to be blue. Most rural areas tend to be red. Suburban areas are more of a mix.

If it were logistically feasible for the big cities to be one nation and all of the rural and suburban areas to be another, I'd be all for it. Big cities do have a lot of the GDP, but they also have a lot of the debt and liabilities. The best places to live in terms of affordability and crime tend to be suburban, since they usually have a favorable ratio of resources to people while less taxes and lower costs than urban areas.

The significance of states really comes into play with state governments. Say what you will about red states, but I'd rather live in a state without an income tax and with gun laws that are less restrictive, like Tennessee. You can scoff at rural areas for having poverty and less GDP, but they ultimately feed the urban areas. You can't make money if you don't have food.

Also, there is plenty of poverty in urban areas, which typically results in crime, and then white flight. This is why suburban areas are usually the ideal, since they are usually cheap enough to be preferable over the city but still expensive enough to keep out the riffraff.

I live in a rural state, and I'm tired of the arrogance coming from rural racists. Since they're the ones trying to blame blue cities and states for all of our problems, it was time to look at the facts. This is not about feelings.

 

[Monoculturalist]

The problem with ignorant racist whites like you is this:

From Ferguson to Baltimore​

The Fruits of Government-Sponsored Segregation

In Baltimore in 1910, a black Yale law school graduate purchased a home in a previously all-white neighborhood. The Baltimore city government reacted by adopting a residential segregation ordinance, restricting African Americans to designated blocks. Explaining the policy, Baltimore’s mayor proclaimed, “Blacks should be quarantined in isolated slums in order to reduce the incidence of civil disturbance, to prevent the spread of communicable disease into the nearby White neighborhoods, and to protect property values among the White majority.”

Thus began a century of federal, state, and local policies to quarantine Baltimore’s black population in isolated slums—policies that continue to the present day, as federal housing subsidy policies still disproportionately direct low-income black families to segregated neighborhoods and away from middle class suburbs.

From Ferguson to Baltimore: The Fruits of Government-Sponsored Segregation

In Baltimore in 1910, a black Yale law school graduate purchased a home in a previously all-white neighborhood. The Baltimore city government reacted by adopting a residential segregation ordinance, restricting African Americans to designated blocks. Explaining the policy, Baltimore’s mayor...

www.epi.org

You run your mouth among other ignorant racists and think that because you tell yourself that bullshit so often that you can tell somebody black that crap and we're going to just accept it as truth. But you run into problems when you encounter blacks who have studied what has been done, and not whites who want to believe lies to feel that false sense of superiority.

Here's more for you Cletus:

A 'Forgotten History' Of How The U.S. Government Segregated America​

In 1933, faced with a housing shortage, the federal government began a program explicitly designed to increase — and segregate — America's housing stock. Author Richard Rothstein says the housing programs begun under the New Deal were tantamount to a "state-sponsored system of segregation."

The government's efforts were "primarily designed to provide housing to white, middle-class, lower-middle-class families," he says. African-Americans and other people of color were left out of the new suburban communities — and pushed instead into urban housing projects.

Rothstein's new book, The Color of Law, examines the local, state and federal housing policies that mandated segregation. He notes that the Federal Housing Administration, which was established in 1934, furthered the segregation efforts by refusing to insure mortgages in and near African-American neighborhoods — a policy known as "redlining." At the same time, the FHA was subsidizing builders who were mass-producing entire subdivisions for whites — with the requirement that none of the homes be sold to African-Americans.



Festus, read these words and govern yourself accordingly:

The next time you think you can recite the crap you speak to your racist buddies to a black person, slap yourself, pour cold water on yourself, take a walk, whatever you have to do to get your sense back before you think you can hit the post reply button.

None of that explains why modern Baltimore, which is currently about 62% black and about 28% Latino, still has major problems for the black community. The city government is also overwhelmingly Democratic and has been so for a very long time.

 

[westwall]

That's the exact opposite of reality.

SALT deduction. Dumbass.

 

[Monoculturalist]

I live in a rural state, and I'm tired of the arrogance coming from rural racists. Since they're the ones trying to blame blue cities and states for all of our problems, it was time to look at the facts. This is not about feelings.

A lot of blue cities do have major problems that have implications for the rest of the country. The chaos in LA shows us what happens when you neglect to enforce immigration policy for decades, for example.

 

[luiza]

IM2​

Another Truth Some Can't Handle​

Are you talking about the rumour that you a seventy plus white man whose preference is same sex ?

You need to clarify this , Clarence .
Surely your friends deserve Honesty at all times .

 

[Independent thinker]

We hear and read people here downing blue states and arrogantly declaring the greatness of red states. Like everything else, the declarations are factually untrue. The reality is that blue states carry the red ones. It is the red states that are literally welfare states.

Newsom Lets Loose On GOP Trashing Blue Cities: We Create ‘71% of the Country’s GDP’​

California Governor Gavin Newsom (D) went to bat for the economic power of his state in a recent sitdown with podcaster Shawn Ryan, who is part of the so-called “manopshere” of new media.

“What separates our game from the game played elsewhere is innovation, entrepreneurialism, more patents, more engineers, more researchers, more Nobel laureates in my state than any other damn state, more Fortune 500 companies in my state than any other state. Look that up, because I know people are rolling their eyes and say, ‘No, it’s Texas.’ You’re wrong,” Newsom said.

“It’s true. I looked it up,” agreed Ryan, a former Navy SEAL turned popular podcast host.

“And we’re, by the way, a donor state. We provided $83.1 billion more than we received from the federal government. Texas took $71.1 billion.

"nine out of the ten dependent states—welfare states—are Trump states. The donor states disproportionately are the blue states,”

71% of the country’s GDP comes from blue counties—these same cracked-up counties with all these crazy liberals. They can’t get out of their own goddamn way and the world’s come to an end. It’s 71% the economy of the goddamn country, man.

Newsom Lets Loose On GOP Trashing Blue Cities: We Create ‘71% of the Country’s GDP’

"We provided $83.1 billion more than we received from the federal government... Pretty proud of my goddamn state,” Newsom said.

www.mediaite.com

The only truth is that you are a racist internet troll.

 

[Hollie]

You've got it backwards, fat boy in Mama's basement. The grief scholars are white Republican men like you, whining about anti white racism.

I preach about the effects of white racist policy.

You preach about the effects of mental illness. A self- loathing white liberal posing as racist black.

 

[g5000]

That's primarily because the bureaucracy is counted as "GDP", even though they produce NOTHING of added value for anyone.

Amazing ignorance.

If California was made a separate country, it would have the 7th largest GDP in the world.

California is a financial and information powerhouse, as well as providing one-third of all our country's vegetables and three-quarters of our fruits and nuts.

 

[Orangecat]

Newsom doesn't create shit.

That’s the job of San Francisco’s domicile-challenged democrats.

 

[g5000]

in california the quality of life has gone down considerably ,,,so much for all that so called wealth....newsome doesnt talk about that...

Mississippi, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Georgia, Utah, Texas, Louisiana, and Alabama have the lowest ranking of quality of life.

What color are they?

No blue state even makes the top 10 worst states for quality of life.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/14/americas-worst-places-quality-of-life-top-states-for-business.html

 

[g5000]

The taxpayers of red states pay for the Prog ones and their cities. Just the public schools and public transportation are massive costs.

Virginia, Alabama, Arizona, South Carolina, Maryland, Mississippi, New Mexico, Louisiana, Kentucky, Michigan, West Virginia, Oregon, Oklahoma, Maine, Alaska, Hawaii, North Carolina, Montana, Iowa, Idaho, Indiana, Vermont, Wisconsin, Nevada, Kansas, Arkansas, South Dakota, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, North Dakota, and Wyoming all receive more from the federal government than they contribute.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The problem with ignorant racist whites like you is this:

They're out-competing the ignorant black racists like you.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I live in a rural state, and I'm tired of the arrogance coming from rural racists. Since they're the ones trying to blame blue cities and states for all of our problems, it was time to look at the facts. This is not about feelings.

This is not about feelings.

Damn, that's funny!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Mississippi, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Georgia, Utah, Texas, Louisiana, and Alabama have the lowest ranking of quality of life.

What color are they?

No blue state even makes the top 10 worst states for quality of life.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/14/americas-worst-places-quality-of-life-top-states-for-business.html

Where do the California public schools rank?

 

[jc456]

You've got it backwards, fat boy in Mama's basement. The grief scholars are white Republican men like you, whining about anti white racism.

I preach about the effects of white racist policy.

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrracist

 

[jc456]

The problem with ignorant racist whites like you is this:

From Ferguson to Baltimore​

The Fruits of Government-Sponsored Segregation

In Baltimore in 1910, a black Yale law school graduate purchased a home in a previously all-white neighborhood. The Baltimore city government reacted by adopting a residential segregation ordinance, restricting African Americans to designated blocks. Explaining the policy, Baltimore’s mayor proclaimed, “Blacks should be quarantined in isolated slums in order to reduce the incidence of civil disturbance, to prevent the spread of communicable disease into the nearby White neighborhoods, and to protect property values among the White majority.”

Thus began a century of federal, state, and local policies to quarantine Baltimore’s black population in isolated slums—policies that continue to the present day, as federal housing subsidy policies still disproportionately direct low-income black families to segregated neighborhoods and away from middle class suburbs.

From Ferguson to Baltimore: The Fruits of Government-Sponsored Segregation

In Baltimore in 1910, a black Yale law school graduate purchased a home in a previously all-white neighborhood. The Baltimore city government reacted by adopting a residential segregation ordinance, restricting African Americans to designated blocks. Explaining the policy, Baltimore’s mayor...

www.epi.org

You run your mouth among other ignorant racists and think that because you tell yourself that bullshit so often that you can tell somebody black that crap and we're going to just accept it as truth. But you run into problems when you encounter blacks who have studied what has been done, and not whites who want to believe lies to feel that false sense of superiority.

Here's more for you Cletus:

A 'Forgotten History' Of How The U.S. Government Segregated America​

In 1933, faced with a housing shortage, the federal government began a program explicitly designed to increase — and segregate — America's housing stock. Author Richard Rothstein says the housing programs begun under the New Deal were tantamount to a "state-sponsored system of segregation."

The government's efforts were "primarily designed to provide housing to white, middle-class, lower-middle-class families," he says. African-Americans and other people of color were left out of the new suburban communities — and pushed instead into urban housing projects.

Rothstein's new book, The Color of Law, examines the local, state and federal housing policies that mandated segregation. He notes that the Federal Housing Administration, which was established in 1934, furthered the segregation efforts by refusing to insure mortgages in and near African-American neighborhoods — a policy known as "redlining." At the same time, the FHA was subsidizing builders who were mass-producing entire subdivisions for whites — with the requirement that none of the homes be sold to African-Americans.



Festus, read these words and govern yourself accordingly:

The next time you think you can recite the crap you speak to your racist buddies to a black person, slap yourself, pour cold water on yourself, take a walk, whatever you have to do to get your sense back before you think you can hit the post reply button.

those demofks are truly something huh? kkking forever is a demofk slang.

 

[j-mac]

We hear and read people here downing blue states and arrogantly declaring the greatness of red states. Like everything else, the declarations are factually untrue. The reality is that blue states carry the red ones. It is the red states that are literally welfare states.

Newsom Lets Loose On GOP Trashing Blue Cities: We Create ‘71% of the Country’s GDP’​

California Governor Gavin Newsom (D) went to bat for the economic power of his state in a recent sitdown with podcaster Shawn Ryan, who is part of the so-called “manopshere” of new media.

“What separates our game from the game played elsewhere is innovation, entrepreneurialism, more patents, more engineers, more researchers, more Nobel laureates in my state than any other damn state, more Fortune 500 companies in my state than any other state. Look that up, because I know people are rolling their eyes and say, ‘No, it’s Texas.’ You’re wrong,” Newsom said.

“It’s true. I looked it up,” agreed Ryan, a former Navy SEAL turned popular podcast host.

“And we’re, by the way, a donor state. We provided $83.1 billion more than we received from the federal government. Texas took $71.1 billion.

"nine out of the ten dependent states—welfare states—are Trump states. The donor states disproportionately are the blue states,”

71% of the country’s GDP comes from blue counties—these same cracked-up counties with all these crazy liberals. They can’t get out of their own goddamn way and the world’s come to an end. It’s 71% the economy of the goddamn country, man.

Newsom Lets Loose On GOP Trashing Blue Cities: We Create ‘71% of the Country’s GDP’

"We provided $83.1 billion more than we received from the federal government... Pretty proud of my goddamn state,” Newsom said.

www.mediaite.com

Yawn! You must be running out of material if this is all you offer…This argument is as old as politics.