Another mass shooting. Another assault rifle

[2aguy]

Which is a greater infringement:

1. When a parent loses a child to gun violence
2. When a citizen is required to secure a license to own, possess, etc. a gun

Sorry....you aren't RealDave so you may not have seen the answer to his "why not license gun owners," and add pointless levels of paperwork to a Constitutionally protected Right....


Again....you didn't answer my point about licensing, so just in case you didn't see it yet...it is Post #250 in this same thread......

A gun license is first...a tax on the Right to own a gun, therefore unConstitutional according to Murdoch v. Pennsylvania, the Supreme Court decision.

Second, if a person is stopped and the cop runs their name for warrants and complaints.....and they see they are a felon, they will check them for guns...if they find the gun, they can arrest them...since they can't buy, own or carry a gun so they can't get a license to begin with....but they get arrested because they already can't carry or own the gun....

No license scheme is required to do this...

If they stop you, and you are not a felon or a criminal, and you have a gun and you weren't committing a crime with it....you go on your merry way.....no need to license the gun owner.......

Do you see now why licensing does nothing to stop crime or mass shooters....? And how it is needless bureaucratic paperwork simply to create legal jepoardy for the law abiding gun owner?

You want a lack of filling out a piece of paper to be a crime that will lock up a person who has not used a gun to commit a crime...that is what you want...right? And that makes sense to you?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Which is a greater infringement:

1. When a parent loses a child to gun violence
2. When a citizen is required to secure a license to own, possess, etc. a gun

What makes you think the person who would intentionally shoot a child would bother with the gun licensing procedure?

There are thousands of people driving on the road this very second that do not have drivers' licenses and some of those people will be the cause of an accident or a fatality

So we can now add every driver to the would be criminal list. So tell me are you more likely to drive without a license because someone else did?

 

[novasteve]

Hey libs, other than that mental case liberal targetting republicans, when's the last time a white guy went on a mass killing spree? Your narrative is that ONLY white men do this, yet the last one I can even think of was Dylan Roof, and that was years ago... If this is solely the domain of white men, why are so few white men doing them? Even if they do most, what's the proportionality to the population?

 

[LuckyDuck]

Another mass shooting -- Another mentally-ill person who should've been institutionalized by his family like we used to do before ACLU types raised hell.

There is no such thing as an "assault rifle". The military uses "assault weapons" in military assaults. Many modern commercial firearms have cosmetic features which mimic the styling of such weapons. There are also toys that are made to copy this style. This styling feature doesn't cause the weapon to be more deadly. If it did, I would've murdered most of my neighborhood as a kid, along with G.I. Joe! Cosmetic styling is totally harmless.

Some features copied from military styling do have functional value but it has nothing to do with the capability of the weapon. For instance, carbon fiber stocks make the weapon lighter and easier to carry on long hunts. Noise suppressors save hearing. Magazine clips make reloading easier and more convenient.

But none of these styling features have anything to do with the mental health and stability of the individual who possesses them. And regardless of everything else, THAT is the problem!

So why do so many idiots continue to lobby against the weapons? Is it because you are emotionally upset? Is it because you've been misinformed? Or are you a Socialist who understands the importance in disarming people before you strip them of their freedom?

Republicans said crazy people can own & carry guns so what is the point?

And shove that stupid argument that there are no such thing as assault rifles. My God, there was a ban on assault rifles.

And if it is all cosmetics then you are saying you dickweeds own them because they look cool & you feel like tough guys when you carry them? Playing soldier? Really?

Ahhhh you can't carry that heavy gun that far.... you hunt with assault type rifles? You can't hit anything on your first shot?

Of course there are such things as "assault rifles," however, you have to possess a "Federal Firearms License," in order to own one, and your average individual can't obtain one.
As for the semi-automatic "look-a-likes, they are just great fun at the range and on the farm for plunking.
The 80-90 million private firearms owners are not now and have never been, a threat to you.

 

[JusticeHammer]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

Another retarded commie^^^

 

[Divine Wind]

It is already against the law for a felon to buy, own or carry a gun. If they are caught doing any of those things they can be arrested.....this can already be done, under current law.

If you use a gun to commit an actual crime, rape, robbery, murder, attempted murder, you can already be arrested...under current law, using any type of firearm.

We already have the laws for gun crimes........yet the anti gunners want more laws that solely target law abiding people, who have not, and do not use their guns to commit crimes....

Why is that?

Q. How do felons acquire a gun.

Q. What laws are in place and enforced to prevent the sale of a gun to a felon, by a private party.

Q. The 2nd A. which you argue is clear in its "shall not be infringed" phrase, allows the state to deny this right to felons.

A. They buy it via illegal avenues from other criminals
A It is illegal to knowingly sell a gun to a felon in almost every state and more and more states are now requiring that all private gun sales be brokered by am Federally licensed dealer who is obligated to run a background check and keep a record of the transaction

A. Felons are denied other rights as well

But, but, but the only Right not to be infringed is the Second Amendment. Isn't that what you've always posted?

You can't have it both ways, if you agree a felon can be denied this Right, it opens the door for less restrictive gun controls, such as licensing and registration.

I don't know if I have always posted that

besides no one here is saying that everyone should be able to own firearms.

But if I am a law abiding citizen and pass every background check imaginable why should I be told I cannot own a certain rifle or a 15 round magazine?

Because elections have consequences. If the NRA and its supporters do not become pragmatic, and continue to enable mass murder by policy - not by intent - then The People will finally say, "enough".

How many murders have been committed by individuals with a gun who have never been arrested, never been civilly detained as a danger to themselves or others?

Where do you believe the line should be drawn, as to who should be allowed to own, possess or have in his or her custody or control a gun?

Why do we license drivers, pilots, doctors, contractors, cars and register cars, boats and airplanes ownership?

Wow, you really are an ardent anti-Constitutionalist, aren't you? If you are a vet, then you are violating your oath of enlistment. If you are not, then you views just add to the weight of how the Democrats have become more and more like the Soviets; Totalitarian Socialist.

Consider your paragraph below with one minor change: "How many murders have been committed by individuals with a <insert knife, baseball bat, automobile, hatchet, wine bottle, etc as appropriate> who have never been arrested, never been civilly detained as a danger to themselves or others?"

Just how much shit do you Lefties want to ban and how restricted do you want Americans to be before you're happy?

Quandl

 

[Divine Wind]

Hey libs, other than that mental case liberal targetting republicans, when's the last time a white guy went on a mass killing spree? Your narrative is that ONLY white men do this, yet the last one I can even think of was Dylan Roof, and that was years ago... If this is solely the domain of white men, why are so few white men doing them? Even if they do most, what's the proportionality to the population?

There's been a few. The problem isn't race, it's mental health since every one of them was a nut job and was well known to have mental issues. Of course, with a few exceptions, the vast majority have been male, so maybe the LWLs will seek to ban men.

 

[Divine Wind]

Another mass shooting -- Another mentally-ill person who should've been institutionalized by his family like we used to do before ACLU types raised hell.

There is no such thing as an "assault rifle". The military uses "assault weapons" in military assaults. Many modern commercial firearms have cosmetic features which mimic the styling of such weapons. There are also toys that are made to copy this style. This styling feature doesn't cause the weapon to be more deadly. If it did, I would've murdered most of my neighborhood as a kid, along with G.I. Joe! Cosmetic styling is totally harmless.

Some features copied from military styling do have functional value but it has nothing to do with the capability of the weapon. For instance, carbon fiber stocks make the weapon lighter and easier to carry on long hunts. Noise suppressors save hearing. Magazine clips make reloading easier and more convenient.

But none of these styling features have anything to do with the mental health and stability of the individual who possesses them. And regardless of everything else, THAT is the problem!

So why do so many idiots continue to lobby against the weapons? Is it because you are emotionally upset? Is it because you've been misinformed? Or are you a Socialist who understands the importance in disarming people before you strip them of their freedom?

Republicans said crazy people can own & carry guns so what is the point?

And shove that stupid argument that there are no such thing as assault rifles. My God, there was a ban on assault rifles.

And if it is all cosmetics then you are saying you dickweeds own them because they look cool & you feel like tough guys when you carry them? Playing soldier? Really?

Ahhhh you can't carry that heavy gun that far.... you hunt with assault type rifles? You can't hit anything on your first shot?

Of course there are such things as "assault rifles," however, you have to possess a "Federal Firearms License," in order to own one, and your average individual can't obtain one.
As for the semi-automatic "look-a-likes, they are just great fun at the range and on the farm for plunking.
The 80-90 million private firearms owners are not now and have never been, a threat to you.

Love the points being made, guys, but just so we're clear;

Assault Rifle: An assault rifle is a rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge, has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic/fully automatic fire and a detachable magazine. Assault rifles are currently the standard service rifles in most modern armies.

Assault Weapon: a term used in the United States to define some types of firearms. The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions, but usually includes semi-automatic firearms with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a flash suppressor or barrel shroud

 

[2aguy]

Turns out the Doctor.....had a criminal record....so he wasn't a normal person who just lost it...


For Gunman at Bronx Hospital, Fleeting Success and Persistent Strife

A serious brush with the law occurred in New York City in 2004, when he was arrested and charged with sex abuse and unlawful imprisonment. A 23-year-old woman told the police that he grabbed her on Bleecker Street in Manhattan, and tried to penetrate her through her underwear. Court records revealed that Dr. Bello pleaded guilty to unlawful imprisonment in the second degree, a misdemeanor, and was sentenced to community service.

The felony sexual abuse charge was dropped, which may explain why the episode was not unearthed during a criminal-background check conducted by Bronx-Lebanon. “There was no record of any conviction for sexual abuse,” said Errol C. Schneer, a hospital spokesman.

Dr. Bello was also arrested in New York in 2009, but that arrest record is sealed.