Another look at "anti-semitism".

[Shusha]

Imagine if Hitler had used Jews as food. Would that have been okay?

Wow. You REALLY just don't get it, do you?

You are asking the wrong question. You are framing the question in the wrong way. You are selecting a specific group of humans and asking if it is okay to eat them. WRONG QUESTION.

The correct question is whether or not it is permissible for humans to eat other humans. (As a preparatory question for asking if it is permissible to eat living things generally).

The framing of the question begs to differentiate between Jews and other humans. It ASSUMES that there is a difference between eating Jews and eating people in general. Do you get it now? Stop making a distinction between Jews and other humans.

The correct question is: Imagine if (national leader) had used humans for food. Would that have been okay?

No, I don't seem to get why I keep getting told I'm an anti-Semite because I say things Jews don't like.

No, you're wrong, or at least you're looking to be offended. Hitler killed 6 million Jews in Concentration Camps and elsewhere. Some Jews will say the Holocaust is all about Jews. No one else need apply to have been the victim of the Holocaust.

It's a political tool.

holocaust | Definition of holocaust in US English by Oxford Dictionaries

"the Holocaust The mass murder of Jews under the German Nazi regime during the period 1941–45. More than 6 million European Jews, as well as members of other persecuted groups, such as gypsies and homosexuals, were murdered at concentration camps such as Auschwitz."

Look at the wording here. The Holocaust is the "mass murder of Jews under the German Nazi regime", then it goes on to say, in the next sentence "as well as member of other persecuted groups".

Yes, Jews suffered badly in the Holocaust. But they were not the only ones.

The Roma saw between 90,000 and 220,000 people killed according to Michael Berenbaum. "Berenbaum, Michael (2006). The World Must Know: The History of the Holocaust as Told in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (2nd ed.). Washington, DC: United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. ISBN 978-0-8018-8358-3." or 200,000 and 1.5 million by Hancock. "Hancock, Ian (2005). "True Romanies and the Holocaust: A Re-evaluation and an overview". The Historiography of the Holocaust. Palgrave Macmillan. pp. 383–96. ISBN 1-4039-9927-9."

Here I have a population in 1939 of about 1 million. So the Holocaust was potentially as bad for the Roma people as for the Jewish people. Yet the Holocaust has been taken over by certain people as being about the Jews only.

Now, if I did this. If I take something and make it specifically about the Jews, I'm an anti-Semite. If a Jewish person does this, they're not. Go figure.

No, the correct question is what I asked. Why? Well, because we're talking about anti-Semitism. Should I start talking about the Cambodians instead? No, because then you'll tell me I'm off topic. Basically, you can't win.

Basically you want me to not say stuff that politically makes the Jewish community stronger, simply so Jews don't get offended.

I'm sorry, this is like blasphemy laws which are ridiculous.

~25% of European Roma were slaughtered in the Holocaust. ~65% of European Jews were slaughtered in the Holocaust.

So if you want to honor the Roma genocide -- why don't you from now on mention the Roma whenever you want to compare the murder of people to the murder of animals? Why don't you call up the genocide and the ovens of the Roma? Why not make them your go-to people? Since you clearly want to highlight their suffering.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You forgot to ask:

Are animals human?

Are Catalans humans?
Are Armenians human?
Are Cambodians human?
Are Tutsis human?
Are Arabs human?
Are French human?
Are Spanish humans?
Are Turks human?
Are Koreans human?
Are Americans human?
Are Canadians human?
Are Japanese humans?

I also forgot to ask for the Superbowl score in 1765.

But you forgot to answer the questions. Go on, have a try. I know it's not normal for people on this forum to actually answer direct questions, but you could try.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Imagine if Hitler had used Jews as food. Would that have been okay?

Wow. You REALLY just don't get it, do you?

You are asking the wrong question. You are framing the question in the wrong way. You are selecting a specific group of humans and asking if it is okay to eat them. WRONG QUESTION.

The correct question is whether or not it is permissible for humans to eat other humans. (As a preparatory question for asking if it is permissible to eat living things generally).

The framing of the question begs to differentiate between Jews and other humans. It ASSUMES that there is a difference between eating Jews and eating people in general. Do you get it now? Stop making a distinction between Jews and other humans.

The correct question is: Imagine if (national leader) had used humans for food. Would that have been okay?

No, I don't seem to get why I keep getting told I'm an anti-Semite because I say things Jews don't like.

No, you're wrong, or at least you're looking to be offended. Hitler killed 6 million Jews in Concentration Camps and elsewhere. Some Jews will say the Holocaust is all about Jews. No one else need apply to have been the victim of the Holocaust.

It's a political tool.

holocaust | Definition of holocaust in US English by Oxford Dictionaries

"the Holocaust The mass murder of Jews under the German Nazi regime during the period 1941–45. More than 6 million European Jews, as well as members of other persecuted groups, such as gypsies and homosexuals, were murdered at concentration camps such as Auschwitz."

Look at the wording here. The Holocaust is the "mass murder of Jews under the German Nazi regime", then it goes on to say, in the next sentence "as well as member of other persecuted groups".

Yes, Jews suffered badly in the Holocaust. But they were not the only ones.

The Roma saw between 90,000 and 220,000 people killed according to Michael Berenbaum. "Berenbaum, Michael (2006). The World Must Know: The History of the Holocaust as Told in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (2nd ed.). Washington, DC: United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. ISBN 978-0-8018-8358-3." or 200,000 and 1.5 million by Hancock. "Hancock, Ian (2005). "True Romanies and the Holocaust: A Re-evaluation and an overview". The Historiography of the Holocaust. Palgrave Macmillan. pp. 383–96. ISBN 1-4039-9927-9."

Here I have a population in 1939 of about 1 million. So the Holocaust was potentially as bad for the Roma people as for the Jewish people. Yet the Holocaust has been taken over by certain people as being about the Jews only.

Now, if I did this. If I take something and make it specifically about the Jews, I'm an anti-Semite. If a Jewish person does this, they're not. Go figure.

No, the correct question is what I asked. Why? Well, because we're talking about anti-Semitism. Should I start talking about the Cambodians instead? No, because then you'll tell me I'm off topic. Basically, you can't win.

Basically you want me to not say stuff that politically makes the Jewish community stronger, simply so Jews don't get offended.

I'm sorry, this is like blasphemy laws which are ridiculous.

~25% of European Roma were slaughtered in the Holocaust. ~65% of European Jews were slaughtered in the Holocaust.

So if you want to honor the Roma genocide -- why don't you from now on mention the Roma whenever you want to compare the murder of people to the murder of animals? Why don't you call up the genocide and the ovens of the Roma? Why not make them your go-to people? Since you clearly want to highlight their suffering.

Did you know that the Thai people like playing soccer? They're not very good at it. They're 130th in the world, according to FIFA. But they're better than some teams around them.

 

[admonit]

So, there's a fact that in the US billions of animals are slaughtered every year, and the narrative of this is "meh, it's food", but in the Holocaust millions of Jews and others died, and it's considered a tragedy. Yet more animals die every year than Jews died in the Holocaust.

Now, Israel denies the Armenian Genocide, why?

You are a liar and a hater of Jews. Just an ordinary anti-Semite, nothing special.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So, there's a fact that in the US billions of animals are slaughtered every year, and the narrative of this is "meh, it's food", but in the Holocaust millions of Jews and others died, and it's considered a tragedy. Yet more animals die every year than Jews died in the Holocaust.

Now, Israel denies the Armenian Genocide, why?

You are a liar and a hater of Jews. Just an ordinary anti-Semite, nothing special.

As I've said to other people, those who want to force others to think like they think, with use insults like this in order to try and get their way.

Sorry, I'm no anti-Semite, and I'm not playing your game.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

So, there's a fact that in the US billions of animals are slaughtered every year, and the narrative of this is "meh, it's food", but in the Holocaust millions of Jews and others died, and it's considered a tragedy. Yet more animals die every year than Jews died in the Holocaust.

Now, Israel denies the Armenian Genocide, why?

You are a liar and a hater of Jews. Just an ordinary anti-Semite, nothing special.

As I've said to other people, those who want to force others to think like they think, with use insults like this in order to try and get their way.

Sorry, I'm no anti-Semite, and I'm not playing your game.

Israel is not responsible for Turkey's genocide of Armenians in any way, shape or form. It's not that Israel or other countries "deny" the Armenian genocide. Israel needs at least semi-good relations with Turkey for geo-political reasons, so it may not "officially recognize" that genocide.

 

[admonit]

So, there's a fact that in the US billions of animals are slaughtered every year, and the narrative of this is "meh, it's food", but in the Holocaust millions of Jews and others died, and it's considered a tragedy. Yet more animals die every year than Jews died in the Holocaust.

Now, Israel denies the Armenian Genocide, why?

You are a liar and a hater of Jews. Just an ordinary anti-Semite, nothing special.

As I've said to other people, those who want to force others to think like they think, with use insults like this in order to try and get their way.

Sorry, I'm no anti-Semite, and I'm not playing your game.

How many anti-Semites acknowledge that they are anti-Semites?
And I don't need and don't wish to force you (or anybody else) thinking like me. Nor need I to play your dirty game comparing animals and Jews.

 

[teddyearp]

Do you know why I was called an anti-Semite?

Because I said:

<snip>

Every year millions of animals die a year in the US alone. 35 million cows, 116 million pigs, 9 billion chickens, 271 million turkeys. The death of these animals at the hands of humans is not so different to the death of Jews in the Holocaust.<snip>

Interesting but strange analogy. So, what you're saying is you got called an anti-semite because you're a vegan.

Ok.

 

[teddyearp]

I currently work for rich people. Not as rich as those Jewish people, but nevertheless much richer than I am.<snip>

Spoiler alert: Everyone I've ever worked for has been richer than I. It is part of owning a business and being able to hire people to help make it bigger and better.

 

[Mindful]

Maybe they do. And I was making a point using that.

Then I got shouted down for being an anti-Semite.

So maybe don't use Jews as an example. Then you can escape that altogether. Use humans generally. Instead of specific groups. Its not a difficult concept.

So, if someone comes on here and starts talking about Jews, I should not reply talking about Jews because a non-Jew talking about Jews is anti-Semitic?

Wow.

Why are you even talking about them?

 

[frigidweirdo]

So, there's a fact that in the US billions of animals are slaughtered every year, and the narrative of this is "meh, it's food", but in the Holocaust millions of Jews and others died, and it's considered a tragedy. Yet more animals die every year than Jews died in the Holocaust.

Now, Israel denies the Armenian Genocide, why?

You are a liar and a hater of Jews. Just an ordinary anti-Semite, nothing special.

As I've said to other people, those who want to force others to think like they think, with use insults like this in order to try and get their way.

Sorry, I'm no anti-Semite, and I'm not playing your game.

Israel is not responsible for Turkey's genocide of Armenians in any way, shape or form. It's not that Israel or other countries "deny" the Armenian genocide. Israel needs at least semi-good relations with Turkey for geo-political reasons, so it may not "officially recognize" that genocide.

No, it's not.

So why doesn't Israel just not talk about it, then?

Look at this.

Taiwanese school principal forced to resign over Nazi parade | Daily Mail Online

"
Taiwanese school principal forced to resign after widespread criticism over Nazi-themed parade where students waved swastika flags"

Taiwan isn't in Europe. It didn't take part in the war in Europe. It was dealing with Japanese occupation. For kids over there the Nazis are nothing much at all. Why should it be? It's like the Cambodian Genocide for people in the West. They might have heard about it, but know almost nothing about it.

"The Israel Economic and Cultural Office in Taipei issued a statement condemning the incident as 'tasteless' and 'outrageous'."

"'It is deplorable and shocking that seven decades only after the world had witnessed the horrors of the Holocaust, a high school in Taiwan is supporting such an outrageous action,' it said in a Facebook post."

All it was, was kids dressing up and learning a little about History. Israel stepped in and got the principle fired for it.

So, when something happens that somehow threatens the narrative of the Holocaust, it's Israel's business. Even if it's on the other side of the world. But have a massacre, rather than a school reenactment, of possible more than a million people, not that far from Israel, and suddenly it has nothing to do with Israel.

Er.... come on.

 

[teddyearp]

I'll take your suggestions and ignore them. <snip>

It's like they know you're a liberal, <snip>

I could care less who you vote for, but your own postings and the way your logic is twisted, and your 'tolerance' shows that you are quite the "progressive". And now you have admitted it.

 

[teddyearp]

So, if someone comes on here and starts talking about Jews, I should not reply talking about Jews because a non-Jew talking about Jews is anti-Semitic?

Wow.

Wow. Typical #liberallunacy. You are not getting it, not reading it, and by your own admission, ignoring it.

Because that is not at all what the point is pal.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I currently work for rich people. Not as rich as those Jewish people, but nevertheless much richer than I am.<snip>

Spoiler alert: Everyone I've ever worked for has been richer than I. It is part of owning a business and being able to hire people to help make it bigger and better.

That's nice. We're not talking people who have a few hundred thousand dollars here. We're not even talking about people who simply millionaires here.

If I had said "I worked with rich Muslims", no one would have given a shit. Say "rich" and "Jew" in the same sentence and suddenly you're a ******* anti-Semite. But then I've not worked with rich Muslims. I've worked with rich Jews. And they were rich because they were rich.

In fact I didn't have any problems with the older generation, it was the kids who were the pains in the asses. The ones born into the money.

But hey if you want to shout "anti-Semite" because I said something you don't like, go ahead.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I'll take your suggestions and ignore them. <snip>

It's like they know you're a liberal, <snip>

I could care less who you vote for, but your own postings and the way your logic is twisted, and your 'tolerance' shows that you are quite the "progressive". And now you have admitted it.

You think my logic is twisted, I think yours is twisted.

Way heyyyyyy.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

So, there's a fact that in the US billions of animals are slaughtered every year, and the narrative of this is "meh, it's food", but in the Holocaust millions of Jews and others died, and it's considered a tragedy. Yet more animals die every year than Jews died in the Holocaust.

Now, Israel denies the Armenian Genocide, why?

You are a liar and a hater of Jews. Just an ordinary anti-Semite, nothing special.

As I've said to other people, those who want to force others to think like they think, with use insults like this in order to try and get their way.

Sorry, I'm no anti-Semite, and I'm not playing your game.

Israel is not responsible for Turkey's genocide of Armenians in any way, shape or form. It's not that Israel or other countries "deny" the Armenian genocide. Israel needs at least semi-good relations with Turkey for geo-political reasons, so it may not "officially recognize" that genocide.

No, it's not.

So why doesn't Israel just not talk about it, then?

Look at this.

Taiwanese school principal forced to resign over Nazi parade | Daily Mail Online

"
Taiwanese school principal forced to resign after widespread criticism over Nazi-themed parade where students waved swastika flags"

Taiwan isn't in Europe. It didn't take part in the war in Europe. It was dealing with Japanese occupation. For kids over there the Nazis are nothing much at all. Why should it be? It's like the Cambodian Genocide for people in the West. They might have heard about it, but know almost nothing about it.

"The Israel Economic and Cultural Office in Taipei issued a statement condemning the incident as 'tasteless' and 'outrageous'."

"'It is deplorable and shocking that seven decades only after the world had witnessed the horrors of the Holocaust, a high school in Taiwan is supporting such an outrageous action,' it said in a Facebook post."

All it was, was kids dressing up and learning a little about History. Israel stepped in and got the principle fired for it.

So, when something happens that somehow threatens the narrative of the Holocaust, it's Israel's business. Even if it's on the other side of the world. But have a massacre, rather than a school reenactment, of possible more than a million people, not that far from Israel, and suddenly it has nothing to do with Israel.

Er.... come on.

I don't understand what this has to do with the Armenian genocide. The Taiwanese held a tasteless Nazi parade. That's an insult to the Jewish state.

 

[Mindful]

I currently work for rich people. Not as rich as those Jewish people, but nevertheless much richer than I am.<snip>

Spoiler alert: Everyone I've ever worked for has been richer than I. It is part of owning a business and being able to hire people to help make it bigger and better.

That's nice. We're not talking people who have a few hundred thousand dollars here. We're not even talking about people who simply millionaires here.

If I had said "I worked with rich Muslims", no one would have given a shit. Say "rich" and "Jew" in the same sentence and suddenly you're a ******* anti-Semite. But then I've not worked with rich Muslims. I've worked with rich Jews. And they were rich because they were rich.

In fact I didn't have any problems with the older generation, it was the kids who were the pains in the asses. The ones born into the money.

But hey if you want to shout "anti-Semite" because I said something you don't like, go ahead.

But you wouldn't have said you worked with rich Muslims.

Bearing in mind they are not a race.

 

[teddyearp]

I currently work for rich people. Not as rich as those Jewish people, but nevertheless much richer than I am.<snip>

Spoiler alert: Everyone I've ever worked for has been richer than I. It is part of owning a business and being able to hire people to help make it bigger and better.

That's nice. We're not talking people who have a few hundred thousand dollars here. We're not even talking about people who simply millionaires here.

If I had said "I worked with rich Muslims", no one would have given a shit. Say "rich" and "Jew" in the same sentence and suddenly you're a ******* anti-Semite. But then I've not worked with rich Muslims. I've worked with rich Jews. And they were rich because they were rich.

In fact I didn't have any problems with the older generation, it was the kids who were the pains in the asses. The ones born into the money.

But hey if you want to shout "anti-Semite" because I said something you don't like, go ahead.

Did I shout anti-semite at you? Nope. You are a typical liberal.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So, if someone comes on here and starts talking about Jews, I should not reply talking about Jews because a non-Jew talking about Jews is anti-Semitic?

Wow.

Wow. Typical #liberallunacy. You are not getting it, not reading it, and by your own admission, ignoring it.

Because that is not at all what the point is pal.

Do you actually have anything to say on this topic? You've taken things out of context and now you're just attacking me, rather than what I'm saying.

Do I care? No. this isn't high school you can't stick my head down the toilet, you can't steal my money. I can just stick you on ignore.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I currently work for rich people. Not as rich as those Jewish people, but nevertheless much richer than I am.<snip>

Spoiler alert: Everyone I've ever worked for has been richer than I. It is part of owning a business and being able to hire people to help make it bigger and better.

That's nice. We're not talking people who have a few hundred thousand dollars here. We're not even talking about people who simply millionaires here.

If I had said "I worked with rich Muslims", no one would have given a shit. Say "rich" and "Jew" in the same sentence and suddenly you're a ******* anti-Semite. But then I've not worked with rich Muslims. I've worked with rich Jews. And they were rich because they were rich.

In fact I didn't have any problems with the older generation, it was the kids who were the pains in the asses. The ones born into the money.

But hey if you want to shout "anti-Semite" because I said something you don't like, go ahead.

Did I shout anti-semite at you? Nope. You are a typical liberal.

Fine, you're wasting my time. Ignore list. Bye.