Another battery chemistry, another pathway to EV's in aviation

[Old Rocks]

1200 watts per Kg, 1000 cycles, and far safer than present batteries. Four electron reaction, and made in the USA. Can it make it from the lab to production? That will be the big test. Right now, a viable competitor to developments in South Korea and China.

MSN

 

[ding]

No such thing as a free lunch.

 

[Oddball]

Thermal runaway at 30,000 feet!

 

[Manonthestreet]

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I'd buy one of these but they are taking forever. I drive a mile to work. Would never have to buy gas again

 

[elektra]

But we can already fly.
If it cant take us to space it is a waste

 

[Old Rocks]

No such thing as a free lunch.

Which means what in this context? If they can manufacture this battery, it will be a winner until something better is developed.

 

[Old Rocks]

Thermal runaway at 30,000 feet!

No.

Power-pa​

cked, fireproof​

By eliminating the risk of leakage or combustion, the new solid-state configuration not only improves safety but also stabilizes the battery’s electrochemical processes, which are essential for supporting higher energy reactions over time.

At the heart of this chemistry lies a powerful catalyst: trimolybdenum phosphide (Mo₃P). This catalyst facilitates the critical four-electron transfer while ensuring the reaction remains stable over long use.

MSN

 

[Captain Caveman]

No.

Power-pa​

cked, fireproof​

By eliminating the risk of leakage or combustion, the new solid-state configuration not only improves safety but also stabilizes the battery’s electrochemical processes, which are essential for supporting higher energy reactions over time.

At the heart of this chemistry lies a powerful catalyst: trimolybdenum phosphide (Mo₃P). This catalyst facilitates the critical four-electron transfer while ensuring the reaction remains stable over long use.

MSN

Back to the Wright Brother's propeller is not advancement. Generally, short-haul flights can be turned around in 25 to 45 minutes, while longer-haul flights may require 90 minutes to 2 hours. Who wants to sit for 6 hours to a day waiting for it to charge up? Or will they double or treble the fleet of planes? I imagine they'll use diesel generators to charge them.

The alarmists can dream.

 

[elektra]

Which means what in this context? If they can manufacture this battery, it will be a winner until something better is developed.

Old crock claimed batteries were green, now old crock admits batteries are throw away, use and throw away.

Batteries are an invention of industry. Mass production, more to build and cell.

Already we are throwing away millions of tons of batteries

Clean, nope, every battery powered car is now obsolete. Garbage

 

[fncceo]

1000 cycles

Are you joking?

A commercial plane can make between 60-100 thousand flights in its service life.

How is 60 to 100 complete battery replacements over the life of a plane anywhere close to practical.

Not to mention the environmental damage to buildings then discarding a hundred batteries for the 20-30,000 commercial planes in service

 

[Old Rocks]

Back to the Wright Brother's propeller is not advancement. Generally, short-haul flights can be turned around in 25 to 45 minutes, while longer-haul flights may require 90 minutes to 2 hours. Who wants to sit for 6 hours to a day waiting for it to charge up? Or will they double or treble the fleet of planes? I imagine they'll use diesel generators to charge them.

The alarmists can dream.

Lordy, what a dumbass answer. The batteries will be switched out. Why would they not use the grid to charge the batteries? You people standing by the highway in the horse turds yelling "Get a Horse" sure have to reach to reject modern technology.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Lordy, what a dumbass answer. The batteries will be switched out. Why would they not use the grid to charge the batteries? You people standing by the highway in the horse turds yelling "Get a Horse" sure have to reach to reject modern technology.

Yeah, like a big Makita drill

Your thinking, how cute. Can I suggest you live in the here and now, as in, reality.

 

[Old Rocks]

Yeah, like a big Makita drill

Your thinking, how cute. Can I suggest you live in the here and now, as in, reality.

And why not? In some nations they already are doing it with motor scooters. Why not with aircraft? Reality? The first battery driven drill I used was a joke. Little torque, and battery lasted just a few minutes. A couple year later at work they handed me a battery driven 1/2" drill motor and said they needed some holes in a 1/2 steel plate. I said, "Oh yeah, you want it this month?". So I tried it, went through the steel just like a standard corded drill, and when it hung up at the finish, damned near broke my wrist as I was not braced for the torque. The battery tech has evolved far faster than the ICE engine tech did. No reason not to expect quick removable batteries for aircraft.

 

[Old Rocks]

Are you joking?

A commercial plane can make between 60-100 thousand flights in its service life.

How is 60 to 100 complete battery replacements over the life of a plane anywhere close to practical.

Not to mention the environmental damage to buildings then discarding a hundred batteries for the 20-30,000 commercial planes in service

Another silly ass rejecting progress because they cannot stand change. First, batteries with lithium are nearly 100% recyclable. Second, in aircraft, they will be removable, so that the turnaround time is minimum. And being removable, as soon as they hit about 80% of original density, they will either be recycled or repurposed.

 

[westwall]

Another silly ass rejecting progress because they cannot stand change. First, batteries with lithium are nearly 100% recyclable. Second, in aircraft, they will be removable, so that the turnaround time is minimum. And being removable, as soon as they hit about 80% of original density, they will either be recycled or repurposed.

Soooooooo, I started on this forum about 15 years ago.

Know how many of your vaunted battery breakthroughs have occurred?

ZERO.

 

[EMH]

There is NO REASON to waste time or money on EVs at all in any form.