and yet the sheep will put one of them in office

[Auld Phart]

We can do better,

we HAVE to do better, if the country is to survive.

Biden is 'old,' Trump is 'corrupt': AP-NORC poll has ominous signs for both in possible 2024 rematch

President Joe Biden is “old” and “confused,” and former President Donald Trump is “corrupt” and “dishonest.” Unflattering portraits of Biden and Trump emerge clearly in a new poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, which asked an open-ended question about what...

www.yahoo.com

"Biden's age was referenced frequently even among Democrats, 28% of whom mention it — a significantly higher percentage than those who point to the presidency or leadership (11%) or strength and capability (11%).
Trump's negative comments center not on age but on his moral standing and conduct, along with things like “loudmouth” and “angry” (6%), “crazy” and “dangerous” (6%) and “narcissist” (6%). Some 5% use words like “strong” and “capable.”
Rami Marsha, a 58-year-old CEO of a manufacturing company in Agoura Hills, California, is a registered Democrat who voted for Trump in 2016 and for Biden in 2020 — but says he'd likely leave the presidential race portion of his ballot blank if those two square off again in 2024.
“I think he might be having some dementia, and I don’t think he has the power to run the country,” Marsha said of Biden. But he was equally blunt about Trump: “I’ve had enough of him.”
That's a fairly common sentiment. The poll shows that only 24% of Americans overall want to see Biden run again, while 30% say the same about Trump — and majorities say they are reluctant to support them if they are nominated again.
Also, 62% of Americans say they have an unfavorable opinion of Trump; 52% say the same about Biden."

More at link,

 

[1srelluc]

Trump supporters should be thinking of the down ticket.

While Trump might eek-out a win over Tater I believe we would lose the House and fail to regain the Senate so at best you would have another four years of the same (or worse) crap from the dems as in Trump's first go-round....We can do better.

 

[Papageorgio]

This would be a great time to put a leader and visionary in office instead of the rich good ole boy back in office.

Biden doesnt even know where he is at half the time, and Trump cant shut up to save himself. These are the two front runners and both party’s are afraid to move off them, that says a lot about the corrupt two party system, it’s party before country and we fully see it right now. When will the voters take responsibility for our nation?

 

[pknopp]

“He looks like he needs to be someone’s kindly grandpa on the arm, not someone at the wheel of power,” Justin Campbell, a 27-year-old Democrat and security guard in the Brookhaven area of Mississippi, said of Biden. He was even more negative about Trump, though, saying that the former president “acts like a kindergartner when people tell him ‘no.’”

Campbell suggested that Trump reads so little about policy and national security that he might be “functionally illiterate.” He said he plans to vote for Biden next year and, “I eagerly await Donald Trump being in jail.”

So he understands the problems but still decides he will support the problems.

 

[strollingbones]

one might be surprised at how many democrats are discussing this in secret....that biden cannot serve another 4 yr term...but then you have the crooked trump....can newsom rise at this late in the game....

 

[Auld Phart]

one might be surprised at how many democrats are discussing this in secret....that biden cannot serve another 4 yr term...but then you have the crooked trump....can newsom rise at this late in the game....

two bad choices.

 

[strollingbones]

what kills me is the younger voters have the biggest majority now ....and they complain about the old white men and yet they dont vote..

 

[Papageorgio]

one might be surprised at how many democrats are discussing this in secret....that biden cannot serve another 4 yr term...but then you have the crooked trump....can newsom rise at this late in the game....

All either side cares about is winning, so Biden will run, neither party gives a damn about our country, only power and we as Americans let it happen, so it is on us because we let It happen every election.

 

[postman]

All either side cares about is winning, so Biden will run, neither party gives a damn about our country, only power and we as Americans let it happen, so it is on us because we let It happen every election.

Actually one side does care about the country and the other only about politics.

The republican controlled house is in charge of the nations pursestrings now, and what are they doing?" Investigating the investigators. Instead of writing a budget.
Republicans in the senate are holding up military and judicial confirmations.
And the only reason they're doing that is trying to get a political gain from holding the country hostage.

 

[Blues Man]

We can do better,

we HAVE to do better, if the country is to survive.

Biden is 'old,' Trump is 'corrupt': AP-NORC poll has ominous signs for both in possible 2024 rematch

President Joe Biden is “old” and “confused,” and former President Donald Trump is “corrupt” and “dishonest.” Unflattering portraits of Biden and Trump emerge clearly in a new poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, which asked an open-ended question about what...

www.yahoo.com

"Biden's age was referenced frequently even among Democrats, 28% of whom mention it — a significantly higher percentage than those who point to the presidency or leadership (11%) or strength and capability (11%).
Trump's negative comments center not on age but on his moral standing and conduct, along with things like “loudmouth” and “angry” (6%), “crazy” and “dangerous” (6%) and “narcissist” (6%). Some 5% use words like “strong” and “capable.”
Rami Marsha, a 58-year-old CEO of a manufacturing company in Agoura Hills, California, is a registered Democrat who voted for Trump in 2016 and for Biden in 2020 — but says he'd likely leave the presidential race portion of his ballot blank if those two square off again in 2024.
“I think he might be having some dementia, and I don’t think he has the power to run the country,” Marsha said of Biden. But he was equally blunt about Trump: “I’ve had enough of him.”
That's a fairly common sentiment. The poll shows that only 24% of Americans overall want to see Biden run again, while 30% say the same about Trump — and majorities say they are reluctant to support them if they are nominated again.
Also, 62% of Americans say they have an unfavorable opinion of Trump; 52% say the same about Biden."

More at link,

We obviously can't do better.

 

[postman]

We obviously can't do better.

Not as long as the republicans think that Trump is the best they can do.
And the democrats holding onto Biden, because they know he can beat Trump.

 

[Auld Phart]

We obviously can't do better.

We obviously can't do better.

only because of the sheep.

BOTH parties need an internal revolution.

Stop reelecting dead weight.

start electing people that can work across the aisle.

 

[Blues Man]

only because of the sheep.

BOTH parties need an internal revolution.

Stop reelecting dead weight.

start electing people that can work across the aisle.

It's never going to happen.

 

[Auld Phart]

Not as long as the republicans think that Trump is the best they can do.
And the democrats holding onto Biden, because they know he can beat Trump.

And the democrats holding onto Biden, because they know he can beat Trump.

and the democrat holding onto Biden, because they THINK he can beat Trump.

Just because he did it once, doesn't mean he can do it again.

 

[postman]

start electing people that can work across the aisle.

Biden spent his career working across the aisle.

 

[Papageorgio]

Actually one side does care about the country and the other only about politics.

The republican controlled house is in charge of the nations pursestrings now, and what are they doing?"

Investigating the investigators. Instead of writing a budget.

Democrats don’t, otherwise they wouldn’t have stuck Biden in there in the first place and they damn well would have never made an empty headed Harris as VP. Now they want Biden in again and it is only because he polls well enough to beat Trump, that is the ONLY reason, damn the fact that Biden clearly has dementia.

We deserve what we get and you and your stupidity add to the problem and ignorance, time for Trump and Biden to go!

 

[Papageorgio]

Not as long as the republicans think that Trump is the best they can do.
And the democrats holding onto Biden, because they know he can beat Trump.

Let’s vote for stupid because he can beat stupid, yeah real smart there, idiot!

 

[postman]

and the democrat holding onto Biden, because they THINK he can beat Trump.

Just because he did it once, doesn't mean he can do it again.

Biden beat Trump when he was an incumbent president. That's happened very few times.
Only 10 times across 46 presidents.
And only one instance of a defeated ex-president returning to the white house.

 

[postman]

We deserve what we get and you and your stupidity add to the problem and ignorance, time for Trump and Biden to go!

Actually I bet if the republicans dumped Trump, then the democrats would dump Biden.

But as long as the republicans hold onto Trump, the democrats will hold onto the guy who Trumped, Trump.

 

[postman]

Let’s vote for stupid because he can beat stupid, yeah real smart there, idiot!

It's how NASA chose the outdated computers to run the space shuttle.