And so the Ad-wars against Republican anti-immigration-reform stance begin.

[bedowin62]

GOP Muslim vote 2004: 14 percent

GOP Muslim vote 2008: 2.2 percent

GOP Muslim vote 2012: Too small to count.


I guess when you erroneously claim Obama is a Muslim, and say it like being a Muslim is a BAD thing, minorities notice shit like that.

GOOD ONE IDIOT; makes you wonder how we got the House, Senate and 31 of 50 Governorships huh??

lol

The lowest voter turnout since WWII. That's how. That's why bigots hate it when people vote and do their best to prevent or discourage them from doing so.

when you say lowest voter turnout idiot arent you counting your own side's voters?


lol you idiot; how is it somebody else's fault you didnt get your own people out?

 

[bedowin62]

Take a look at this USMB topic: CAUGHT ON TAPE: Dem Operative Stuffs Ballot Box in Arizona (Video) | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


The bigots saw a darkie dropping off ballots and immediately assumed he was stuffing the ballot box.

Look how hog wild they go over the video.

Minorities notice shit like that.

Bigoted idiots.

I know. "Bigoted idiots" is redundant.

"darkie"???

racist much???

 

[g5000]

Oh hell no! It can't be the non-stop stream of anti-darkie rhetoric we spout hour after hour, day after day, week after week, year after year.

It hasta be because gifts! Yeah, that's it! Because gifts.

Yawn. Gotta go back to sleep now before someone throws a fact at me.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

More fear mongering from the right

They have changed "Mexicans are coming here to work" to "Mexicans are coming here to kill and rape our women"

For many on the right more "brown people" speaking Spanish is seen as a "threat."

If millions of low skilled Norwegians were coming here illegally and straining our social services, I'd still want them gone.

How are they straining social services they can't even use in the first place since they're not citizens?

They can use all the educational and medical services they want. Did you really not know that?

So you count hospitals treating everyone regardless of socio-economic status/citizenship and school for children as a major strain? Keep hating buddy.

So you count hospitals treating everyone regardless of socio-economic status/citizenship and school for children as a major strain?

Billions of dollars spent on their medical care resulting in the closing of hospitals is a major strain.
Billions of dollars spent on their schooling when our schools are short of money is a major strain.

Keep ignoring the facts buddy.

 

[bedowin62]

Take a look at this USMB topic: CAUGHT ON TAPE: Dem Operative Stuffs Ballot Box in Arizona (Video) | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


The bigots saw a darkie dropping off ballots and immediately assumed he was stuffing the ballot box.

Look how hog wild they go over the video.

Minorities notice shit like that.

Bigoted idiots.

I know. "Bigoted idiots" is redundant.

your bigoted against fellow Americans with different views leftard

hypocrite

 

[bedowin62]

Oh hell no! It can't be the non-stop stream of anti-darkie rhetoric we spout hour after hour, day after day, week after week, year after year.

It hasta be because gifts! Yeah, that's it! Because gifts.

Yawn. Gotta go back to sleep now before someone throws a fact at me.

YAWN


darkie???

racist much????

 

[David_42]

5 immigration myths debunked

Undocumented immigrants are already U.S. taxpayers.

Collectively, they paid an estimated $10.6 billion to state and local taxes in 2010, according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), a research organization that works on tax policy issues. Contributions varied by state. In Montana they contributed $2 million. In California, more than $2.2 billion. On average they pay about 6.4% of their income in state and local taxes, ITEP said.

A 2007 Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report on the impact of undocumented immigrants on the budgets of local and state governments cited IRS figures showing that 50% to 75% of the about 11 million unauthorized U.S. immigrants file and pay income taxes each year.

A 2013 CBO analysis of the failed bipartisan bill introduced by the so-called "gang of 8" that would have created a path to legal status for many undocumented immigrants found that increasing legal immigration would increase government spending on refundable tax credits, Medicaid and health insurance subsidies, among other federal benefits. But it would also create even more tax revenue by way of income and payroll taxes. That could reduce deficits by $175 billion over the first 10 years and by at least $700 billion in the second decade.

ITEP estimates that allowing certain immigrants to stay in the country and work legally would boost state and local tax contributions by $2 billion a year.

The truth is that undocumented immigrants contribute more in payroll taxes than they will ever consume in public benefits.

Take Social Security. According to the Social Security Administration (SSA), unauthorized immigrants -- who are not eligible to receive Social Security benefits -- have paid an eye-popping $100 billion into the fund over the past decade.

"They are paying an estimated $15 billion a year into Social Security with no intention of ever collecting benefits," Stephen Goss, chief actuary of the SSA told CNNMoney. "Without the estimated 3.1 million undocumented immigrants paying into the system, Social Security would have entered persistent shortfall of tax revenue to cover payouts starting in 2009," he said.

As the baby boom generation ages and retires, immigrant workers are key to shoring up Social Security and counteracting the effects of the decline in U.S.-born workers paying into the system, Goss said.

Without immigrants, the Social Security Board of Trustees projects that the system will no longer be able to pay the full promised benefits by 2037.

Myth #3: They drain the system

Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years.

Related: Part-time jobs put millions in poverty or close to it.

Non-citizen immigrant adults and children are about 25% less likely to be signed up for Medicaid than their poor native-born equivalents and are also 37% less likely to receive food stamps, according to a 2013 study by the Cato Institute.

Citizen children of illegal immigrants -- often derogatorily referred to as "anchor babies" -- do qualify for social benefits. Also, undocumented immigrants are eligible for schooling and emergency medical care. Currently, the average unlawful immigrant household costs taxpayers $14,387 per household, according to a recent report by The Heritage Foundation. But in its 2013 "Immigration Myths and Facts" report, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce says most economists see providing these benefits as an investment for the future, when these children become workers and taxpayers.

A CBO report on the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 concluded that a path to legalization for immigrants would increase federal revenues by $48 billion. Such a plan would see $23 billion in increased costs from the use of public services, but ultimately, it would produce a surplus of $25 billion for government coffers, CBO said.

Myth # 4: They take American jobs

The American economy needs immigrant workers.

The belief that immigrants take jobs that can otherwise be filled by hard-working Americans has been disputed by an overwhelming number of economic research studies and data.

Related: Four immigration fixes that could turbo-charge tech.

Removing the approximately 8 million unauthorized workers in the United States would not automatically create 8 million job openings for unemployed Americans, said Daniel Griswold, director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies, in his 2011 testimony before the House Judiciary Sub-committee on Immigration Policy and Enforcement.

The reason, according to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, is two-fold. For one, removing millions of undocumented workers from the economy would also remove millions of entrepreneurs, consumers and taxpayers. The economy would actually lose jobs. Second, native-born workers and immigrant workers tend to possess different skills that often complement one another.

According to Griswold, immigrants, regardless of status, fill the growing gap between expanding low-skilled jobs and the shrinking pool of native-born Americans who are willing to take such jobs. By facilitating the growth of such sectors as retail, agriculture, landscaping, restaurants, and hotels, low-skilled immigrants have enabled those sectors to expand, attract investment, and create middle-class jobs in management, design and engineering, bookkeeping, marketing and other areas that employ U.S. citizens.

America's unions support the president's executive action. "For far too long, our broken immigration system has allowed employers to drive down wages and working conditions in our country," the AFL-CIO says on its website. "The brunt of the impact has been born by immigrant workers, who face the highest rates of wage theft, sexual harassment, and death and injury on the job."

 

[Auld Phart]

GOP Muslim vote 2004: 14 percent

GOP Muslim vote 2008: 2.2 percent

GOP Muslim vote 2012: Too small to count.


I guess when you erroneously claim Obama is a Muslim, and say it like being a Muslim is a BAD thing, minorities notice shit like that.

GOOD ONE IDIOT; makes you wonder how we got the House, Senate and 31 of 50 Governorships huh??

lol

The lowest voter turnout since WWII. That's how. That's why bigots hate it when people vote and do their best to prevent or discourage them from doing so.

Was that because they were running on Obamas policies?

 

[bedowin62]

Oh hell no! It can't be the non-stop stream of anti-darkie rhetoric we spout hour after hour, day after day, week after week, year after year.

It hasta be because gifts! Yeah, that's it! Because gifts.

Yawn. Gotta go back to sleep now before someone throws a fact at me.

you dont have an argument; just hypocritical blanket statements on whole groups; in other words exactly the kind of thing you're trying to lecture others are doing


PROJECTION

 

[David_42]

For many on the right more "brown people" speaking Spanish is seen as a "threat."

If millions of low skilled Norwegians were coming here illegally and straining our social services, I'd still want them gone.

How are they straining social services they can't even use in the first place since they're not citizens?

They can use all the educational and medical services they want. Did you really not know that?

So you count hospitals treating everyone regardless of socio-economic status/citizenship and school for children as a major strain? Keep hating buddy.

So you count hospitals treating everyone regardless of socio-economic status/citizenship and school for children as a major strain?

Billions of dollars spent on their medical care resulting in the closing of hospitals is a major strain.
Billions of dollars spent on their schooling when our schools are short of money is a major strain.

Keep ignoring the facts buddy.

Show me the hospitals that have closed due to illegal immigrants and support your conclusion. Nothing wrong with schooling children, and I have posted facts on immigration, maybe you should read them. So you think hospitals should be able to turn away people? Hilarious.

 

[g5000]

Take a look at this USMB topic: CAUGHT ON TAPE: Dem Operative Stuffs Ballot Box in Arizona (Video) | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


The bigots saw a darkie dropping off ballots and immediately assumed he was stuffing the ballot box.

Look how hog wild they go over the video.

Minorities notice shit like that.

Bigoted idiots.

I know. "Bigoted idiots" is redundant.

"darkie"???

racist much???

A rhetorical device using the bigots' own terms against them, retard.

 

[g5000]

GOP Muslim vote 2004: 14 percent

GOP Muslim vote 2008: 2.2 percent

GOP Muslim vote 2012: Too small to count.


I guess when you erroneously claim Obama is a Muslim, and say it like being a Muslim is a BAD thing, minorities notice shit like that.

GOOD ONE IDIOT; makes you wonder how we got the House, Senate and 31 of 50 Governorships huh??

lol

The lowest voter turnout since WWII. That's how. That's why bigots hate it when people vote and do their best to prevent or discourage them from doing so.

when you say lowest voter turnout idiot arent you counting your own side's voters?


lol you idiot; how is it somebody else's fault you didnt get your own people out?

My side is the Republican side.

It is a demographic and historical fact that low voter turnouts work to the GOP's favor.

 

[bedowin62]

What's a "darkie" g5000?

is that like my Black son?


my Haitian wife??/

racist

 

[g5000]

Oh hell no! It can't be the non-stop stream of anti-darkie rhetoric we spout hour after hour, day after day, week after week, year after year.

It hasta be because gifts! Yeah, that's it! Because gifts.

Yawn. Gotta go back to sleep now before someone throws a fact at me.

you dont have an argument; just hypocritical blanket statements on whole groups; in other words exactly the kind of thing you're trying to lecture others are doing


PROJECTION

I have evidence, and have been presenting mountains of it to you for the past couple of days. I have pointed you quite a few times to the right wing rhetoric which consistently portrays minorities in a negative light.

And it has been just as I said. Even though I am pointing it out, the right wing bigots cannot stop themselves. Discussing minorities from a strictly negative observation point has become as natural to them as breathing.

Your mental state of denial about this is as powerful as an active alcoholic's. But even someone laboring under a severe delusion can serve a useful purpose. You are serving as an outstanding object lesson for everyone else.

You are helping to demonstrate that it is way, way, way past time to clean up the GOP's act.

 

[bedowin62]

GOP Muslim vote 2004: 14 percent

GOP Muslim vote 2008: 2.2 percent

GOP Muslim vote 2012: Too small to count.


I guess when you erroneously claim Obama is a Muslim, and say it like being a Muslim is a BAD thing, minorities notice shit like that.

GOOD ONE IDIOT; makes you wonder how we got the House, Senate and 31 of 50 Governorships huh??

lol

The lowest voter turnout since WWII. That's how. That's why bigots hate it when people vote and do their best to prevent or discourage them from doing so.

when you say lowest voter turnout idiot arent you counting your own side's voters?


lol you idiot; how is it somebody else's fault you didnt get your own people out?

My side is the Republican side.

It is a demographic and historical fact that low voter turnouts work to the GOP's favor.

you arent a republican; you're an idiot not man enough to admit he's on the far Left

 

[bedowin62]

Oh hell no! It can't be the non-stop stream of anti-darkie rhetoric we spout hour after hour, day after day, week after week, year after year.

It hasta be because gifts! Yeah, that's it! Because gifts.

Yawn. Gotta go back to sleep now before someone throws a fact at me.

you dont have an argument; just hypocritical blanket statements on whole groups; in other words exactly the kind of thing you're trying to lecture others are doing


PROJECTION

I have evidence, and have been presenting mountains of it to you for the past couple of days. I have pointed you to the right wing rhetoric which consistently portrays minorities in a negative light.

Your mental state of denial is as powerful as an active alcoholic's.

no you presented a few comments out of millions of people; hardly a mountain

try again idiot

 

[bedowin62]

Take a look at this USMB topic: CAUGHT ON TAPE: Dem Operative Stuffs Ballot Box in Arizona (Video) | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


The bigots saw a darkie dropping off ballots and immediately assumed he was stuffing the ballot box.

Look how hog wild they go over the video.

Minorities notice shit like that.

Bigoted idiots.

I know. "Bigoted idiots" is redundant.

"darkie"???

racist much???

A rhetorical device using the bigots' own terms against them, retard.

you mean a false narrative loser; of the kind you accused me of recently?

 

[bedowin62]

Ad Hominem Argument: Also, "personal attack," "poisoning the well." The fallacy of attempting to refute an argument by attacking the opposition’s personal character or reputation, using a corrupted negative argument from ethos. E.g., "He's so evil that you can't believe anything he says." See also "Guilt by Association." Also applies to cases where valid opposing evidence and arguments are brushed aside without comment or consideration, as simply not worth arguing about.

all g5000 really has

 

[bedowin62]

ad hominem: Latin for "to the man." An arguer who uses ad hominems attacks the person instead of the argument. Whenever an arguer cannot defend his position with evidence, facts or reason, he or she may resort to attacking an opponent either through: labeling, straw man arguments, name calling, offensive remarks and anger.

this is you g5000^^^

 

[bedowin62]

and this one for your idea that previous elections mean things will always be the same; for the false narrative reasons you present:

bandwagon fallacy: concluding that an idea has merit simply because many people believe it or practice it. (e.g., Most people believe in a god; therefore, it must prove true.) Simply because many people may believe something says nothing about the fact of that something. For example many people during the Black plague believed that demons caused disease. The number of believers say nothing at all about the cause of disease.