An alternate view of Nelson Mandela

[Mac-7]

You dont have to disavow everything you believe about Mandela based on this video

South Africa was a a apartheid state that invited reform

And Mandela assisted that process

But he may not be the african Mahatma Gandhi either

 

[The Duke]

He was a black commie.

 

[egp320i]

He was a black commie.

basically and SA has been in the shitter ever since and white settlers culled, land taken, reformed into weeds

steal productive land, give it away to the poor without any capital to use it

100K for a tractor, then a till, seeder and harvester

I know a few farmers around me, they rotate barley, wheat, marigold, rapeseed

one has a contract with pennington to grow grass and harvest the seeds so people
can have a nice yard

 

[forkup]

You dont have to disavow everything you believe about Mandela based on this video

South Africa was a a apartheid state that invited reform

And Mandela assisted that process

But he may not be the african Mahatma Gandhi either

So I breezed through the clip, and it seems to me that the gist of it is that Nelson Mandela's group while fighting apartheid did horrible things and that he was a communist and therefor he's a villain and not a hero.

Presumably you watched the whole thing so feel free to point out anything important I missed.

This begs 2 questions though.

Question 1: If someone does horrible things to end a system like apartheid, are those things immoral?

Question 2: Why is it important to an American as yourself to start an OP trying to put shade an a person who by your own admission assisted the process to end apartheid? What is the point of emphasizing these aspects of Mandela if you acknowledge he helped end something like apartheid?

 

[egp320i]

So I breezed through the clip, and it seems to me that the gist of it is that Nelson Mandela's group while fighting apartheid did horrible things and that he was a communist and therefor he's a villain and not a hero.

Presumably you watched the whole thing so feel free to point out anything important I missed.

This begs 2 questions though.

Question 1: If someone does horrible things to end a system like apartheid, are those things immoral?

Question 2: Why is it important to an American as yourself to start an OP trying to put shade an a person who by your own admission assisted the process to end apartheid? What is the point of emphasizing these aspects of Mandela if you acknowledge he helped end something like apartheid?

maybe trying to be cultured but everybody actually had it better under white rule
yes blacks did as well as the economy was good thus cheaper prices, that trickles down

where their some rich people with nice homes? sure, they also were the backbone of the economy at large

poor blacks don't bring anything to the table, except theft, drunks, druggies......etc

reason South Chicago and detroit are such dumps now.......gangs and drugs run the show

that is not being productive, that is being a menace to society

 

[forkup]

maybe trying to be cultured but everybody actually had it better under white rule
yes blacks did as well as the economy was good thus cheaper prices, that trickles down

where their some rich people with nice homes? sure, they also were the backbone of the economy at large

poor blacks don't bring anything to the table, except theft, drunks, druggies......etc

reason South Chicago and detroit are such dumps now.......gangs and drugs run the show

that is not being productive, that is being a menace to society

"Cultured" is not how I'd describe the argument that "everybody had it better umder apartheid." Because the economy was better.

Having a system in place that creates 2 classes of citizens were one has less, legal, political and economical rights, were one class is forcibly relocated has less job opportunity, for most cultured people is abhorrent and most definetly NOT better for one class.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

His wife was a big fan of necklacing, which of course used on black victims. They are mostly just feral savages, hiding behind Tutu as a front.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

"Cultured" is not how I'd describe the argument that "everybody had it better umder apartheid." Because the economy was better.

Having a system in place that creates 2 classes of citizens were one has less, legal, political and economical rights, were one class is forcibly relocated has less job opportunity, for most cultured people is abhorrent and most definetly NOT better for one class.

Actually, the indigenous ZULU mainly supported the regime a lot of the time; most of the ''disenfranchised' were immigrant labor from other parts of Africa. Tribes in Africa are violently racist and constantly feuding. their most peaceful eras were under European colonial systems.

 

[egp320i]

"Cultured" is not how I'd describe the argument that "everybody had it better umder apartheid." Because the economy was better.

Having a system in place that creates 2 classes of citizens were one has less, legal, political and economical rights, were one class is forcibly relocated has less job opportunity, for most cultured people is abhorrent and most definetly NOT better for one class.

when they bring overall opportunity with a more safe society it does

blacks did work, not in upper management but they DID have job for their skill level

Rhodesia, they grew so much food they exported, the blacks worked the fields and were paid

they were not educated to RUN the farm because they could not

it's called division of labor, why the USA imports poor latinos to pick YOUR lettuce, because they are willing
and can as it's all they CAN do, that's it

if you can't get past 10t grade low paying manual labor is all you will ever do, just a fact

 

[MarcATL]

Color me shocked from the usual suspects.