Amnesty researcher admits that Palestinian "eyewitnesses" often lie

[Sally]

I think many of us realized previously that they told plenty of lies and that Amnesty International seemed to lap up all these lies.

Thursday, May 08, 2014

Amnesty researcher admits that Palestinian "eyewitnesses" often lie

Donatella Rovera, an Amnesty field investigator, wrote aninteresting article about the challenges of fact finding in war situations.

One of her main points is that eyewitnesses are often unreliable. For example:

In Gaza, Lebanon, Libya, Syria, and other places I interviewed civilians who described what they thought were artillery or bomb strikes being launched by far away government forces and striking near their homes – whereas in reality the loud bangs and tremors were caused by mortars or rockets being launched by opposition fighters from their positions nearby. For the untrained ear it is virtually impossible to distinguish between incoming and outgoing fire, and all the more so for those who find themselves close to the frontlines.
Another factor she mentions:

Even if they disregard it, investigators must be alert to the fact that disinformation and misinformation can contribute to shaping the perception of events, the narrative surrounding the events, and the behaviour of people who take it in good faith and internalize it, including victims, witnesses, and others potential sources.
Here Rovera is referring to lies that spread quickly and then become widely believed - including by "unbiased" NGOs - before anyone has a chance to investigate. How many times have we seen that?

She gives a specific example from Gaza:

Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News: Amnesty researcher admits that Palestinian "eyewitnesses" often lie

 

[Billo_Really]

I think many of us realized previously that they told plenty of lies and that Amnesty International seemed to lap up all these lies.

Thursday, May 08, 2014

Amnesty researcher admits that Palestinian "eyewitnesses" often lie

Donatella Rovera, an Amnesty field investigator, wrote aninteresting article about the challenges of fact finding in war situations.

One of her main points is that eyewitnesses are often unreliable. For example:

In Gaza, Lebanon, Libya, Syria, and other places I interviewed civilians who described what they thought were artillery or bomb strikes being launched by far away government forces and striking near their homes – whereas in reality the loud bangs and tremors were caused by mortars or rockets being launched by opposition fighters from their positions nearby. For the untrained ear it is virtually impossible to distinguish between incoming and outgoing fire, and all the more so for those who find themselves close to the frontlines.
Another factor she mentions:

Even if they disregard it, investigators must be alert to the fact that disinformation and misinformation can contribute to shaping the perception of events, the narrative surrounding the events, and the behaviour of people who take it in good faith and internalize it, including victims, witnesses, and others potential sources.
Here Rovera is referring to lies that spread quickly and then become widely believed - including by "unbiased" NGOs - before anyone has a chance to investigate. How many times have we seen that?

She gives a specific example from Gaza:

Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News: Amnesty researcher admits that Palestinian "eyewitnesses" often lie

Rockets and mortars do not level 6-story buildings. And how is it a lie, when someone hears a bang, they don't know whether it is a missile strike from an Israeli drone, or a mortar nearby? It's not like they can go outside and find out. And if it was a mortar, wouldn't it go somewhere else before it went boom? Or did they just fire the thing straight up and straight down?

In contrast, you know when the Israeli's are lying, because they keep changing their story's from the initial reports.

You think you someone can't tell the difference between an Israeli missile strike...





...and mortar fire from Hamas?

 

[Sally]

I think many of us realized previously that they told plenty of lies and that Amnesty International seemed to lap up all these lies.

Thursday, May 08, 2014

Amnesty researcher admits that Palestinian "eyewitnesses" often lie

Donatella Rovera, an Amnesty field investigator, wrote aninteresting article about the challenges of fact finding in war situations.

One of her main points is that eyewitnesses are often unreliable. For example:

In Gaza, Lebanon, Libya, Syria, and other places I interviewed civilians who described what they thought were artillery or bomb strikes being launched by far away government forces and striking near their homes – whereas in reality the loud bangs and tremors were caused by mortars or rockets being launched by opposition fighters from their positions nearby. For the untrained ear it is virtually impossible to distinguish between incoming and outgoing fire, and all the more so for those who find themselves close to the frontlines.
Another factor she mentions:

Even if they disregard it, investigators must be alert to the fact that disinformation and misinformation can contribute to shaping the perception of events, the narrative surrounding the events, and the behaviour of people who take it in good faith and internalize it, including victims, witnesses, and others potential sources.
Here Rovera is referring to lies that spread quickly and then become widely believed - including by "unbiased" NGOs - before anyone has a chance to investigate. How many times have we seen that?

She gives a specific example from Gaza:

Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News: Amnesty researcher admits that Palestinian "eyewitnesses" often lie

Rockets and mortars do not level 6-story buildings. And how is it a lie, when someone hears a bang, they don't know whether it is a missile strike from an Israeli drone, or a mortar nearby? It's not like they can go outside and find out. And if it was a mortar, wouldn't it go somewhere else before it went boom? Or did they just fire the thing straight up and straight down?

In contrast, you know when the Israeli's are lying, because they keep changing their story's from the initial reports.

You think you someone can't tell the difference between an Israeli missile strike...





...and mortar fire from Hamas?

Tell you what, Billy. Next time you can take your turn on the stretcher and play dead, and when you fall off, just pick yourself right back on. Billy is the type who will deny that it is Hamas which starts up first. He just hates to see the Israelis retaliate.

 

[Billo_Really]

Tell you what, Billy. Next time you can take your turn on the stretcher and play dead, and when you fall off, just pick yourself right back on.

You can't answer the question, so you change the subject.

Billy is the type who will deny that it is Hamas which starts up first. He just hates to see the Israelis retaliate.

Seeing's how the occupation started 34 years before Hamas even came into the picture, your statement is just plain dumb!

Can you get anymore stupid?

 

[Lipush]

The cluless ones calling the others stupid.

I feel like cracking up now, again

 

[Billo_Really]

The cluless ones calling the others stupid.

I feel like cracking up now, again

And the only reason you're attacking me, is because you have no intelligent argument to debate the points I made.

Watch those two videos and then try to argue they sound the same.

Because that's the bullshit Sally's trying to peddle. That the sounds are so similar, what they think is an Israeli missile strike, is merely mortar fire from their side.

 

[Sally]

The cluless ones calling the others stupid.

I feel like cracking up now, again

And the only reason you're attacking me, is because you have no intelligent argument to debate the points I made.

Watch those two videos and then try to argue they sound the same.

Because that's the bullshit Sally's trying to peddle. That the sounds are so similar, what they think is an Israeli missile strike, is merely mortar fire from their side.

Do you really think that the majority of readers believe your b.s. that you actually care about the Arabs? Don't you think they are smart enough to see that you don't care about the Arabs as a whole, but only when the Jews happen to be involved do you say something? Now the following comes from a site put up by a Christian group in Israel.

Lawyers Accuse Palestinians, UN of Deception - Breaking Israel News

 

[aris2chat]

was this ever a secret?

 

[Phoenall]

I think many of us realized previously that they told plenty of lies and that Amnesty International seemed to lap up all these lies.

Thursday, May 08, 2014

Amnesty researcher admits that Palestinian "eyewitnesses" often lie

Donatella Rovera, an Amnesty field investigator, wrote aninteresting article about the challenges of fact finding in war situations.

One of her main points is that eyewitnesses are often unreliable. For example:

In Gaza, Lebanon, Libya, Syria, and other places I interviewed civilians who described what they thought were artillery or bomb strikes being launched by far away government forces and striking near their homes – whereas in reality the loud bangs and tremors were caused by mortars or rockets being launched by opposition fighters from their positions nearby. For the untrained ear it is virtually impossible to distinguish between incoming and outgoing fire, and all the more so for those who find themselves close to the frontlines.
Another factor she mentions:

Even if they disregard it, investigators must be alert to the fact that disinformation and misinformation can contribute to shaping the perception of events, the narrative surrounding the events, and the behaviour of people who take it in good faith and internalize it, including victims, witnesses, and others potential sources.
Here Rovera is referring to lies that spread quickly and then become widely believed - including by "unbiased" NGOs - before anyone has a chance to investigate. How many times have we seen that?

She gives a specific example from Gaza:

Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News: Amnesty researcher admits that Palestinian "eyewitnesses" often lie

Rockets and mortars do not level 6-story buildings. And how is it a lie, when someone hears a bang, they don't know whether it is a missile strike from an Israeli drone, or a mortar nearby? It's not like they can go outside and find out. And if it was a mortar, wouldn't it go somewhere else before it went boom? Or did they just fire the thing straight up and straight down?

In contrast, you know when the Israeli's are lying, because they keep changing their story's from the initial reports.

You think you someone can't tell the difference between an Israeli missile strike...





...and mortar fire from Hamas?

What are the odds that the Israeli missile hit its target without causing much collateral damage. The hamas missiles have been known to land in gaza and kill Palestinians which are then blamed on the Jews. But as the report says the Palestinians are LIARS and have been caught out LYING about what really happened.
Israel will initially put their hands up to what ever charges are laid at their feet, then research the allegations and come back with an answer. everyone else denies accountability until after the research is done. Or in the case of muslims even when the evidence is stacked up against them they still deny accountability

 

[Phoenall]

Tell you what, Billy. Next time you can take your turn on the stretcher and play dead, and when you fall off, just pick yourself right back on.

You can't answer the question, so you change the subject.

Billy is the type who will deny that it is Hamas which starts up first. He just hates to see the Israelis retaliate.

Seeing's how the occupation started 34 years before Hamas even came into the picture, your statement is just plain dumb!

Can you get anymore stupid?

hamas has been around since before the state of Israel was resurrected, it just went under one of its other names. In fact hamas has been around since 632 C.E. when Mohamed invented them

 

[Phoenall]

The cluless ones calling the others stupid.

I feel like cracking up now, again

And the only reason you're attacking me, is because you have no intelligent argument to debate the points I made.

Watch those two videos and then try to argue they sound the same.

Because that's the bullshit Sally's trying to peddle. That the sounds are so similar, what they think is an Israeli missile strike, is merely mortar fire from their side.

What points have you made other than you hate all Jews and Israel