Ringo
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Little bit of history
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Little bit of history
You mean like how the "give peace a chance" leftist are now the party of War Mongers? Btw have you signed up to go fight in Ukraine yet or are you a coward?Meh.
I just wish the Kremlin propaganda team would get some new material, this stuff is gawdawful stale.
I can't figure out if the MAGA wing of the GOP have turned into a bunch of Kremlin trolls, or if the Kremlin trolls just find it convenient to pose as MAGA Republicans.
I guess it doesn't matter, the effect is the same. The end of the GOP as a national party for the foreseeable future.
It's weird. I'm a lifelong republican (voted for Trump twice). Not a single conservative that I know is stupid enough to swallow the Russian propaganda, but it seems almost universal here on USMB...
"I can't figure out if the MAGA wing of the GOP have turned into a bunch of Kremlin trolls, or if the Kremlin trolls just find it convenient to pose as MAGA Republicans."Meh.
I just wish the Kremlin propaganda team would get some new material, this stuff is gawdawful stale.
I can't figure out if the MAGA wing of the GOP have turned into a bunch of Kremlin trolls, or if the Kremlin trolls just find it convenient to pose as MAGA Republicans.
I guess it doesn't matter, the effect is the same. The end of the GOP as a national party for the foreseeable future.
It's weird. I'm a lifelong republican (voted for Trump twice). Not a single conservative that I know is stupid enough to swallow the Russian propaganda, but it seems almost universal here on USMB...
Perfect illustration of my point from one of Pootie's "Web Brigade". You're a fraud, and your juvenile comebacks don't phase me.You mean like how the "give peace a chance" leftist are now the party of War Mongers? Btw have you signed up to go fight in Ukraine yet or are you a coward?
You cheered on genocide for 8 years done by Azov Battalion literal Neo Nazis and that's who you supportPerfect illustration of my point from one of Pootie's "Web Brigade". You're a fraud, and your juvenile comebacks don't phase me.
No self-respecting conservative would cheer on a genocide like you posers do every day.
Your side lost this war a year ago, but the killing goes on. All you have left are these desperate "information operations", full of stupid and stale talking points.
And while I'm too old, and they wouldn't want me, I'd be happy to man a lathe and crank out some 155mm shells for them...
Originally posted by toomuchtime
Bullshit. What happened there was a Ukrainian problem and none of Russia's business. The fact that Russia used this as a pretext is proof positive that NATO is needed by the people of eastern Europe.
LMAO. Gee, we've never heard that one before...You cheered on genocide for 8 years done by Azov Battalion literal Neo Nazis and that's who you support
You mean you've never heard history and facts beforeLMAO. Gee, we've never heard that one before...
Seriously. Talk to your team leader or whatever you call him. Tell him you need some new talking points.
Russia is way past fucked. There's no simple recovery from the mess Putin made.
Again, what is happening in Ukraine is none of Russia's business and the fact that Russia cites internal Ukrainian problems as a pretext for an invasion of Ukraine proves that eastern European countries need NATO so that they can defend themselves from Russian aggression. Of course you want to talk about Kosovo and probably Iraq because you understand that what Russia is doing in Ukraine is absolutely indefensible.Your logic goes both ways:
Bullshit. What happened in Kosova was a Serbian problem and none of NATO's business. The fact that NATO used this as a pretext is proof positive that Russia needs a buffer zone between her and that belligerant military alliance.
But at least you concede the fact that there is a problem in Ukraine regardless of Russia.
People refuse to accept the fact that Ukraine is a divided, polarized society because this admission destroys their narative of a struggle between good and evil, right and wrong. Conceding the fact that millions of ukrainians don't want the country to distance itself from Russia forces them to abandon their black and white view... They don't want to see the War in Ukraine as anything remotely similar to grey.
I won't change your mind Jose, but I disagree with the characterization of NATO....But I am ready to drop my support of Russia as soon as any member shows me a peaceful way to keep NATO far from Russia's borders. 30 years of diplomatic efforts were clearly in vain.
Russia has to behave like a civilized country.Regarding the geopolitical dimension of the war (NATO):
What Russia did in Ukraine is something extremely grave, illegal that cannot be taken lightly.
All Members shall refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state.
Most people feel a natural revulsion when they witness a country suffering an armed aggression with millions of civilians becoming refugees.
That's why I never denied the right of Ukraine to fight the armed aggression. That was my first post about the war:
"I support the right of Ukraine to fight the russian invaders and Russia's right to defend herself from a military alliance trying to surround her and I don't see any contradiction...
Unidimensional political thinking is the hallmark of dumb, stupid people."
The war in Ukraine is not legal (if you believe international law has any meaning) but it is legitimate (there's a subtle difference):
Is legal and legitimate the same?
Legality refers to what fits within the law and is compliant with a legal framework.
Legitimacy, however, involves following a correct, fair, genuine, moral and ethical path.
Between legality and legitimacy: which is more important? - ARM.
But I am ready to drop my support of Russia as soon as any member shows me a peaceful way to keep NATO far from Russia's borders. 30 years of diplomatic efforts were clearly in vain.
And what did America do when a foreign power spent 50 years trying to establish satellite countries in Central America and the Caribbean?
Did she waste half a century begging the foreign power to stop spreading its tentacles on her neighborhood or did she resort to military invasions, proxy wars that killed tens of thousands, coup detats, etc...?
At least as far as this issue (NATO) is concerned, all you have to do is show me a peaceful way for Russia to prevent the military encirclement of her borders and I will drop my support for Russia and will start supporting Ukraine 100% here and now in front of the whole Board.
The problem is that the super patriotic american clowns of this Board can't see any problem to be solved. Their answer to my question about a peaceful resolution is:
Russia has to bend over and take it.
What civilized countries are they?Russia has to behave like a civilized country.
No chance in Hell!Russia has to behave like a civilized country.