Americans attacked Japanese before Pearl Harbor

[westwall]

History indicates that American volunteer groups defended China from Japanese aggression. Does that translate to attacking Japan?

I didn't say they attacked Japan; I said they attacked the Japanese. Did you bother to read the thread title?

The Japanese were invading a peaceful country. The men who flew were adventurers for the most part. They were not representing any country.

 

[whitehall]

The notion that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor because of American aggression is so ludicrous that it doesn't even factor in the Pacific war history.

 

[Robert Urbanek]

History indicates that American volunteer groups defended China from Japanese aggression. Does that translate to attacking Japan?

I didn't say they attacked Japan; I said they attacked the Japanese. Did you bother to read the thread title?

Token American flyboys volunteer to defend China from Japanese aggression. How does that translate to the Pearl Harbor attack?

Really, you are pooh-poohing the impact of a “token” number of men? A “token” number of airmen dropped the A-bomb on Hiroshima. A “token” number of jihadists took down the Twin Towers.

Per Air Force Magazine:

Although the combat history of the 14th was short, it was intense. In the five months the outfit was a formal entity, one pilot recorded that he flew 116 sorties, which included 28 bombing missions and 15 night missions.

Conceivably, the 14th killed several hundred Japanese soldiers and their success may have contributed to Japan’s hostility toward the U.S.

 

[westwall]

History indicates that American volunteer groups defended China from Japanese aggression. Does that translate to attacking Japan?

I didn't say they attacked Japan; I said they attacked the Japanese. Did you bother to read the thread title?

Token American flyboys volunteer to defend China from Japanese aggression. How does that translate to the Pearl Harbor attack?

Really, you are pooh-poohing the impact of a “token” number of men? A “token” number of airmen dropped the A-bomb on Hiroshima. A “token” number of jihadists took down the Twin Towers.

Per Air Force Magazine:

Although the combat history of the 14th was short, it was intense. In the five months the outfit was a formal entity, one pilot recorded that he flew 116 sorties, which included 28 bombing missions and 15 night missions.

Conceivably, the 14th killed several hundred Japanese soldiers and their success may have contributed to Japan’s hostility toward the U.S.

What a ridiculous comparison. The two B-29s that dropped the bombs were orders and orders and orders of magnitude more powerful than ANY of the men flying before the war.

You should be ashamed you tried such a stupendously stupid line of reasoning.

 

[fncceo]

In war, truth is the first casualty. — Aeschylus, Greek tragic dramatist (525 BC - 456 BC)

Are you going to blame Americans for attacking the Ancient Greeks?

 

[Bleipriester]

Then, on July 7, 1937, the Sino-Japanese War began in earnest . . . Shortly after the official outbreak of hostilities, press reports in China heralded the arrival of more than 100 hotshot American pilots and creation of the 14th Volunteer Bombardment Squadron . . .

The combat history of the 14th is described only in pilot diaries. One surviving account records that the 14th was in heavy action during the winter of 1938. On Feb. 27, 1938, Vultee and Northrop bombers attacked Japanese troops and convoys in the vicinity of Loyang on the Yellow River. After bomb release, the formation's gunners administered a heavy strafing to troop concentrations near boats drawn up on the shore, apparently in preparation for a river crossing.

Source: http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/1999/June 1999/0699before.aspx

Apparently, Americas were conducting “sneak attacks” on the Japanese long before the Japanese launched their sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. American pilots in American-made planes, likely with tacit approval of the U.S. government. So much for “neutrality.”

And they attacked German ships and supplied Germany´s enemies. A response is called aggression.
It is because of the big freemason plan to take over the world. It "justifies" any mean, including bombing of civilians, unleashing terrorist armies and starving entire peoples. Its all over your dollar bill, denial is pointless, I will only laugh at you.

 

[mikegriffith1]

This was the fault of FDR and his fellow New Dealers, who were hostile toward anti-Communist Japan but were very supportive of the Soviet Union and Soviet policy goals for Asia. If FDR and Stalin had not repeatedly pressured Chiang Kaishek not to make peace with Japan, China would not have fallen under Communist control and Manchuria would have remained under Japanese control, and the lives of tens of millions of people would have been saved, not to mention the fact that Korea and Vietnam would not have fallen to Communism either.

In Europe, FDR treacherously prolonged the war by several months and caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American and European soldiers and civilians. He spurned every overture made by the German resistance, even though that resistance included numerous high-ranking military officers, including the head of the Abwehr. The German resistance offered to kill Hitler and to return all the lands annexed by Hitler in exchange for peace. FDR refused.

The invasion of Italy would have been unnecessary if FDR had accepted the first Italian peace offer. When Churchill and senior American officials finally convinced FDR to change his mind, it was too late because Hitler moved 24 divisions into Italy shortly before FDR relented. Tens of thousands of American and German soldiers, not to mention thousands of Italian civilians, died in the fighting in Italy because of FDR's atrocious handling of the situation.

 

[Oddball]

This was the fault of FDR and his fellow New Dealers, who were hostile toward anti-Communist Japan but were very supportive of the Soviet Union and Soviet policy goals for Asia. If FDR and Stalin had not repeatedly pressured Chiang Kaishek not to make peace with Japan, China would not have fallen under Communist control and Manchuria would have remained under Japanese control, and the lives of tens of millions of people would have been saved, not to mention the fact that Korea and Vietnam would not have fallen to Communism either.

In Europe, FDR treacherously prolonged the war by several months and caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American and European soldiers and civilians. He spurned every overture made by the German resistance, even though that resistance included numerous high-ranking military officers, including the head of the Abwehr. The German resistance offered to kill Hitler and to return all the lands annexed by Hitler in exchange for peace. FDR refused.

The invasion of Italy would have been unnecessary if FDR had accepted the first Italian peace offer. When Churchill and senior American officials finally convinced FDR to change his mind, it was too late because Hitler moved 24 divisions into Italy shortly before FDR relented. Tens of thousands of American and German soldiers, not to mention thousands of Italian civilians, died in the fighting in Italy because of FDR's atrocious handling of the situation.

Patton was right.

 

[luchitociencia]

Apparently the world in those days weren't much alike to what most people believe it was.

Germany with Hitler as leader, managed to obtain great trade contracts with South American countries. It was unstoppable.

Same with Japan, the magnate of fishing business which was the envy of the rest of nations in the world.

Sometimes people might think that Japan was just a small island with no power, but its economy was great, the empire was successful in all ways, they had the luxury to invade China at their will. (I saw old Bruce Lee movies showing schools of karate and kung fu wars making reference of those invasions)

It was a cold war alike in those times.

From one side, before WW2 England intervened in those economical transactions and threaten South American countries to stop business with Germany under a possible boycott and other penalties.

The western countries also trying to hold Japan to become bigger and be an obstacle for the entrance to other neighbor nations for the making of business.

Before WW2 it was an already existing war. It was mostly economical, some sporadic attacks, but technically was a war, the previous war.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Yep,one little pesky fact our corrupt school system never taught us of course.

 

[miketx]

Then, on July 7, 1937, the Sino-Japanese War began in earnest . . . Shortly after the official outbreak of hostilities, press reports in China heralded the arrival of more than 100 hotshot American pilots and creation of the 14th Volunteer Bombardment Squadron . . .

The combat history of the 14th is described only in pilot diaries. One surviving account records that the 14th was in heavy action during the winter of 1938. On Feb. 27, 1938, Vultee and Northrop bombers attacked Japanese troops and convoys in the vicinity of Loyang on the Yellow River. After bomb release, the formation's gunners administered a heavy strafing to troop concentrations near boats drawn up on the shore, apparently in preparation for a river crossing.

Source: http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/1999/June 1999/0699before.aspx

Apparently, Americas were conducting “sneak attacks” on the Japanese long before the Japanese launched their sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. American pilots in American-made planes, likely with tacit approval of the U.S. government. So much for “neutrality.”

Good, glad they nuked them.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

And they attacked German ships and supplied Germany´s enemies. A response is called aggression.
It is because of the big freemason plan to take over the world. It "justifies" any mean, including bombing of civilians, unleashing terrorist armies and starving entire peoples. Its all over your dollar bill, denial is pointless, I will only laugh at you.

As once a Freemason, I can assure you that you are definitely out of your fucking gourd!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

This was the fault of FDR and his fellow New Dealers, who were hostile toward anti-Communist Japan but were very supportive of the Soviet Union and Soviet policy goals for Asia. If FDR and Stalin had not repeatedly pressured Chiang Kaishek not to make peace with Japan, China would not have fallen under Communist control and Manchuria would have remained under Japanese control, and the lives of tens of millions of people would have been saved, not to mention the fact that Korea and Vietnam would not have fallen to Communism either.

In Europe, FDR treacherously prolonged the war by several months and caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American and European soldiers and civilians. He spurned every overture made by the German resistance, even though that resistance included numerous high-ranking military officers, including the head of the Abwehr. The German resistance offered to kill Hitler and to return all the lands annexed by Hitler in exchange for peace. FDR refused.

The invasion of Italy would have been unnecessary if FDR had accepted the first Italian peace offer. When Churchill and senior American officials finally convinced FDR to change his mind, it was too late because Hitler moved 24 divisions into Italy shortly before FDR relented. Tens of thousands of American and German soldiers, not to mention thousands of Italian civilians, died in the fighting in Italy because of FDR's atrocious handling of the situation.

I am sure the people of France and other countries conquered by Hitler appreciated FDR's reluctance to that hare-brained scheme.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yep,one little pesky fact our corrupt school system never taught us of course.

Which "fact"?

 

[Bleipriester]

As once a Freemason, I can assure you that you are definitely out of your fucking gourd!

Explain it then.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Explain it then.

Someone with too much time and imagination of their hands! It's all lies!

 

[Bleipriester]

Someone with too much time and imagination of their hands! It's all lies!

Wen can see it.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/United_States_one_dollar_bill%2C_reverse.jpg

What about the New order, the Pyramid and maybe even the alien head on the right? If you can claim it is all lies you maybe have actual meaning for us?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Wen can see it.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/United_States_one_dollar_bill%2C_reverse.jpg

What about the New order, the Pyramid and maybe even the alien head on the right? If you can claim it is all lies you maybe have actual meaning for us?

Wen?

It's hard to prove someone else's imagination.

Why don't you start a tread in the Conspiracy Theory topic where it belongs with all the other crackpot bullshit?

 

[Bleipriester]

Wen?

It's hard to prove someone else's imagination.

Why don't you start a tread in the Conspiracy Theory topic where it belongs with all the other crackpot bullshit?

There are writings and symbols on the bill that have a meaning. Denial is mental.

 

[Desperado]

Then, on July 7, 1937, the Sino-Japanese War began in earnest . . . Shortly after the official outbreak of hostilities, press reports in China heralded the arrival of more than 100 hotshot American pilots and creation of the 14th Volunteer Bombardment Squadron . . .

The combat history of the 14th is described only in pilot diaries. One surviving account records that the 14th was in heavy action during the winter of 1938. On Feb. 27, 1938, Vultee and Northrop bombers attacked Japanese troops and convoys in the vicinity of Loyang on the Yellow River. After bomb release, the formation's gunners administered a heavy strafing to troop concentrations near boats drawn up on the shore, apparently in preparation for a river crossing.

Source: http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/1999/June 1999/0699before.aspx

Apparently, Americas were conducting “sneak attacks” on the Japanese long before the Japanese launched their sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. American pilots in American-made planes, likely with tacit approval of the U.S. government. So much for “neutrality.”

Just another leftist who blames the world's ills on America