Americans and Brits start telling some truth about events in SE Ukraine

[Toddsterpatriot]

If Pooty Poot stopped invading his neighbors, things would be better.

Maybe you should call Vicky Venal and ask for your money back?
"Regime Change in Kiev

Victoria Nuland Admits: US Has Invested $5 Billion In The Development of Ukrainian, 'Democratic Institutions'"

Victoria Nuland Admits US Has Invested 5 Billion In The Development of Ukrainian Democratic Institutions

Victoria Nuland Admits: US Has Invested $5 Billion In The Development of Ukrainian, 'Democratic Institutions'"

$5 billion in over 20 years. I'm sorry, did you think you were making a point here?
Did our spending make it okay for Pooty Poot to invade?

 

[Stratford57]

Kiev Junta was afraid of the referendums and didn’t allow them. Crimea was the only one area who had one and with 95% votes went to Russia without even one shot.
Why don't you post the choices that were on the Crimea referendum?

There were 2 questions (choices) on Crimean referendum:
1. to reunite with Russia;
2. to stay with Ukraine.



^ Night in Crimea on March, 16 after the referendum turned into a real holiday. Crimean people were having fun, singing and dancing all night long because according the preliminary results of voting they we going HOME: back to Russia. Reminding: in 50-s Khrushchev “gave” Crimean peninsula to Ukrainian Socialist Republic (within the USSR). Nobody in Crimea was too happy about that decision, especially after the USSR split into 15 different countries and all the ethnic Russians found themselves in a foreign country of Ukraine, which was becoming more and more unfriendly to the Russian speaking population.

There were 2 questions (choices) on Crimean referendum:
1. to reunite with Russia;
2. to stay with Ukraine.

No, really, what were the choices?

OK, just for somebody like you, the choices for Crimea to go were:
1. To Universal Studio or
2. To Disneyland.
Satisfied?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

The two options on the Crimea referendum.

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• 2. First option
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  Voters are directed to check one of two boxes corresponding to two questions. The first asks: do you support reunifying Crimea with Russia as a subject of the Russian Federation?
  
  
• 3. Second option
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  The second question asked is: Do you support the restoration of the 1992 Crimean constitution and the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine?
  

Crimea referendum What does the ballot paper say - BBC News

 

[georgephillip]

$5 billion in over 20 years. I'm sorry, did you think you were making a point here?

What's the going rate for rent-a-Nazi protesters in Ukraine?

 

[Camp]

Kiev Junta was afraid of the referendums and didn’t allow them. Crimea was the only one area who had one and with 95% votes went to Russia without even one shot.
Why don't you post the choices that were on the Crimea referendum?

There were 2 questions (choices) on Crimean referendum:
1. to reunite with Russia;
2. to stay with Ukraine.



^ Night in Crimea on March, 16 after the referendum turned into a real holiday. Crimean people were having fun, singing and dancing all night long because according the preliminary results of voting they we going HOME: back to Russia. Reminding: in 50-s Khrushchev “gave” Crimean peninsula to Ukrainian Socialist Republic (within the USSR). Nobody in Crimea was too happy about that decision, especially after the USSR split into 15 different countries and all the ethnic Russians found themselves in a foreign country of Ukraine, which was becoming more and more unfriendly to the Russian speaking population.

There were 2 questions (choices) on Crimean referendum:
1. to reunite with Russia;
2. to stay with Ukraine.

No, really, what were the choices?

OK, just for somebody like you, the choices for Crimea to go were:
1. To Universal Studio or
2. To Disneyland.
Satisfied?

You make joke, but not such a funny one. No one recognizes the election in Crimea except Russia. United Nations does not recognize the election. Foreign countries object to the election and call it illegal. China refused to vote and UN Security Council while the other nations on the Security Council said no recognition would be given. There is a reason international community demands neutral observers monitor elections. Elections are easy to fix and create fraudulent results. Crimea did not allow monitors. Almost a year after election and Crimea is not recognized as independent or part of Russia. Do you understand? You always claim Crimea made choice but the rest of world says that is false. No free election took place in Crimea. Only fake kind of election where winner claims 95% of vote that everyone knows is not real.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-26502356

 

[georgephillip]

Did our spending make it okay for Pooty Poot to invade?

What invasion are you imagining? Invasions like the US in South Korea, South Vietnam, Panama, Afghanistan, and Iraq? How many billion$ have investors made from those invasions?

 

[Camp]

Did our spending make it okay for Pooty Poot to invade?

What invasion are you imagining? Invasions like the US in South Korea, South Vietnam, Panama, Afghanistan, and Iraq? How many billion$ have investors made from those invasions?

Most of your "invasion" list were not invasions at all. South Korea was invaded by North Korea. South Korea was separate from North Korea and Americans were there to protect them from a communist supported (Chinese/Russian) takeover. The international community supported South Korea with troops via vote at the United Nations.
America never invaded Vietnam. We were there by invitation.
Panama was rejecting an international treaty and supporting criminal offenses by drug lords. The were using their military to facilitate drug movements through Central America. That country and Iraq are the only ones that could be feasibly debated on an academic level.
Afghanistan? Shows you are a hack who can not be taken seriously. They were harboring the terrorist leaders who killed 3,000 Americans and were swearing to kill more. The Afghan government refused to arrest them or give us access to them. We had every right to attack and invade Afghanistan. It is called self defense.
Whats with the huge photo you are planting in your post? Is the purpose used as a thread killer? That is how it is used at other sites. Is there some other purpose that you are using it?

 

[georgephillip]

Whats with the huge photo you are planting in your post? Is the purpose used as a thread killer? That is how it is used at other sites. Is there some other purpose that you are using it?

What other sites use images of college football's level playing field to kill threads?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

$5 billion in over 20 years. I'm sorry, did you think you were making a point here?

What's the going rate for rent-a-Nazi protesters in Ukraine?

Commies whining about Nazis......hilarious!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Did our spending make it okay for Pooty Poot to invade?

What invasion are you imagining? Invasions like the US in South Korea, South Vietnam, Panama, Afghanistan, and Iraq? How many billion$ have investors made from those invasions?

What invasion are you imagining?

The one where Putin sent Russians into Ukraine.

 

[georgephillip]

What invasion are you imagining?

The one where Putin sent Russians into Ukraine.

In response to CIA agents in Kiev.

 

[georgephillip]

Most of your "invasion" list were not invasions at all. South Korea was invaded by North Korea. South Korea was separate from North Korea and Americans were there to protect them from a communist supported (Chinese/Russian) takeover. The international community supported South Korea with troops via vote at the United Nations.

The UN voted five years after the US invaded and created South Korea. Korean on both sides of the 38th parallel neither required nor asked for any foreign interference with their reunification plans:
"Lyuh Woon-hyung (May 25, 1886 – July 19, 1947) was a Korean politician who argued that Korean independence was essential to world peace, and a reunification activist who struggled for the independent treunification of Korea since its national division in 1945.

"His pen-name was Mongyang (몽양; 夢陽), the Hanja for 'dream' and 'light.' He is rare among politicians in modern Korean history in that he is revered in both South and North Korea."

Perhaps you can enlighten us on why an American general outlawed Lyuh's political party when US troops occupied South Korea?

Lyuh Woon-hyung - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Vigilante]

Obama Admits US "Brokered" Coup in Ukraine

CNN ^ | 02/01/2015 | n/a
'Brief' video clip at link. "...because he (President Putin) was caught, uh...off balance by the protests in the Maidan and, uh... Yanukovych (president voted by Ukrainian people) then fleeing after we've brokered a deal, uh... to transition power in Ukraine".

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What invasion are you imagining?

The one where Putin sent Russians into Ukraine.

In response to CIA agents in Kiev.

Your imaginary CIA agents in Ukraine do not authorize Putin sending tanks into Ukraine.

 

[georgephillip]

America never invaded Vietnam. We were there by invitation.

Whose invitation? Those issued by American puppets like Ngo Dinh Diem in South Vietnam and Syngman Rhee in South Korea?
"The direct U.S. attack against South Vietnam followed our support for the French attempt to reconquer their former colony, our disruption of the 1954 'peace process,' and a terrorist war against the South Vietnamese population.

"This terror had already left some 75,000 dead while evoking domestic resistance, supported from the northern half of the country after 1959, that threatened to bring down the regime that the U.S. had established.

"In the following years, the U.S. continued to resist every attempt at peaceful settlement, and in 1964 began to plan the ground invasion of South Vietnam. The land assault took place in early 1965, accompanied by the bombing of North Vietnam and an intensification of the bombing of the south, at triple the level of the more publicized bombing of the north. The U.S. also extended the war to Laos and Cambodia."
Invasion Newspeak U.S. USSR by Noam Chomsky

 

[Stratford57]

There were 2 questions (choices) on Crimean referendum:
1. to reunite with Russia;
2. to stay with Ukraine.

No, really, what were the choices?

You make joke, but not such a funny one. No one recognizes the election in Crimea except Russia. United Nations does not recognize the election. Foreign countries object to the election and call it illegal. China refused to vote and UN Security Council while the other nations on the Security Council said no recognition would be given. There is a reason international community demands neutral observers monitor elections. Elections are easy to fix and create fraudulent results. Crimea did not allow monitors. Almost a year after election and Crimea is not recognized as independent or part of Russia. Do you understand? You always claim Crimea made choice but the rest of world says that is false. No free election took place in Crimea. Only fake kind of election where winner claims 95% of vote that everyone knows is not real.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-26502356

Camp, Toddster-Parrot and other hardheaded parrots: if Z leader of your country hardly can crawl over 40% barrier of his approval and recently has been “promoted” from being called “national shame” to “international shame”, it does not automatically mean that the people in other countries and corners of the world can vote higher than that. If Crimea did not escape from Ukraine in time, Ukrainian tanks would be there killing the population just like they are doing in Donbass now. Unlike you, Crimean people knew it very well and it actually saved thousands of lives. From both sides, BTW.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There were 2 questions (choices) on Crimean referendum:
1. to reunite with Russia;
2. to stay with Ukraine.

No, really, what were the choices?

You make joke, but not such a funny one. No one recognizes the election in Crimea except Russia. United Nations does not recognize the election. Foreign countries object to the election and call it illegal. China refused to vote and UN Security Council while the other nations on the Security Council said no recognition would be given. There is a reason international community demands neutral observers monitor elections. Elections are easy to fix and create fraudulent results. Crimea did not allow monitors. Almost a year after election and Crimea is not recognized as independent or part of Russia. Do you understand? You always claim Crimea made choice but the rest of world says that is false. No free election took place in Crimea. Only fake kind of election where winner claims 95% of vote that everyone knows is not real.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-26502356

Camp, Toddster-Parrot and other hardheaded parrots: if Z leader of your country hardly can crawl over 40% barrier of his approval and recently has been “promoted” from being called “national shame” to “international shame”, it does not automatically mean that the people in other countries and corners of the world can vote higher than that. If Crimea did not escape from Ukraine in time, Ukrainian tanks would be there killing the population just like they are doing in Donbass now. Unlike you, Crimean people knew it very well and it actually saved thousands of lives. From both sides, BTW.
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Obama sucks.
And Putin is a thug who needs to pull his troops out of Ukraine.

How's that low oil price treating you, Ivan?
Between oil and sanctions, I'm guessing your economy shrinks by 10% this year.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

 

[Stratford57]

There were 2 questions (choices) on Crimean referendum:
1. to reunite with Russia;
2. to stay with Ukraine.

No, really, what were the choices?

You make joke, but not such a funny one. No one recognizes the election in Crimea except Russia. United Nations does not recognize the election. Foreign countries object to the election and call it illegal. China refused to vote and UN Security Council while the other nations on the Security Council said no recognition would be given. There is a reason international community demands neutral observers monitor elections. Elections are easy to fix and create fraudulent results. Crimea did not allow monitors. Almost a year after election and Crimea is not recognized as independent or part of Russia. Do you understand? You always claim Crimea made choice but the rest of world says that is false. No free election took place in Crimea. Only fake kind of election where winner claims 95% of vote that everyone knows is not real.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-26502356

Camp, Toddster-Parrot and other hardheaded parrots: if Z leader of your country hardly can crawl over 40% barrier of his approval and recently has been “promoted” from being called “national shame” to “international shame”, it does not automatically mean that the people in other countries and corners of the world can vote higher than that. If Crimea did not escape from Ukraine in time, Ukrainian tanks would be there killing the population just like they are doing in Donbass now. Unlike you, Crimean people knew it very well and it actually saved thousands of lives. From both sides, BTW.
View attachment 36440

Obama sucks.
And Putin is a thug who needs to pull his troops out of Ukraine.

How's that low oil price treating you, Ivan?
Between oil and sanctions, I'm guessing your economy shrinks by 10% this year.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

You are right, economy of my country “is torn into pieces”, just like Obama said recently. But I’m from Ukraine, not from Russia (unfortunately). By saying “Russian economy has been torn into pieces”, Obama was loyal to his favorite style: he apparently mixed up 2 different countries and again told half-truth, half-lies. Just like always.

As for Russia, it has all the good reasons to survive: it has about gold in storage equivalent to $400 billion and pretty low external debt. And its government is doing pretty good job to stabilize its economy and their ruble. If I were you, I would pay more attention and be more worried about USA with its trillions of dollars in debt, which keeps growing each second.

Recently Christine Lagarde, the IMF Chief, asked Putin to support Ukrainian economics, not to demand from Ukraine paying its debts to Russia and to consider possibly loaning more money to official Kiev. Either Christine is pretty dumb or Obama was lying about “Russian economy being torn into pieces”.

And my name is not Ivan, Mr. Toddster The Parrot.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There were 2 questions (choices) on Crimean referendum:
1. to reunite with Russia;
2. to stay with Ukraine.

No, really, what were the choices?

You make joke, but not such a funny one. No one recognizes the election in Crimea except Russia. United Nations does not recognize the election. Foreign countries object to the election and call it illegal. China refused to vote and UN Security Council while the other nations on the Security Council said no recognition would be given. There is a reason international community demands neutral observers monitor elections. Elections are easy to fix and create fraudulent results. Crimea did not allow monitors. Almost a year after election and Crimea is not recognized as independent or part of Russia. Do you understand? You always claim Crimea made choice but the rest of world says that is false. No free election took place in Crimea. Only fake kind of election where winner claims 95% of vote that everyone knows is not real.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-26502356

Camp, Toddster-Parrot and other hardheaded parrots: if Z leader of your country hardly can crawl over 40% barrier of his approval and recently has been “promoted” from being called “national shame” to “international shame”, it does not automatically mean that the people in other countries and corners of the world can vote higher than that. If Crimea did not escape from Ukraine in time, Ukrainian tanks would be there killing the population just like they are doing in Donbass now. Unlike you, Crimean people knew it very well and it actually saved thousands of lives. From both sides, BTW.
View attachment 36440

Obama sucks.
And Putin is a thug who needs to pull his troops out of Ukraine.

How's that low oil price treating you, Ivan?
Between oil and sanctions, I'm guessing your economy shrinks by 10% this year.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

You are right, economy of my country “is torn into pieces”, just like Obama said recently. But I’m from Ukraine, not from Russia (unfortunately). By saying “Russian economy has been torn into pieces”, Obama was loyal to his favorite style: he apparently mixed up 2 different countries and again told half-truth, half-lies. Just like always.

As for Russia, it has all the good reasons to survive: it has about gold in storage equivalent to $400 billion and pretty low external debt. And its government is doing pretty good job to stabilize its economy and their ruble. If I were you, I would pay more attention and be more worried about USA with its trillions of dollars in debt, which keeps growing each second.

Recently Christine Lagarde, the IMF Chief, asked Putin to support Ukrainian economics, not to demand from Ukraine paying its debts to Russia and to consider possibly loaning more money to official Kiev. Either Christine is pretty dumb or Obama was lying about “Russian economy being torn into pieces”.

And my name is not Ivan, Mr. Toddster The Parrot.

As for Russia, it has all the good reasons to survive: it has about gold in storage equivalent to $400 billion and pretty low external debt.

Don't forget the $80 billion or so that Putin has looted.....so far.

And its government is doing pretty good job to stabilize its economy and their ruble.

Right. Stable ruble. Down 50%.

And my name is not Ivan

What's wrong, Vlad?

 

[Camp]

There were 2 questions (choices) on Crimean referendum:
1. to reunite with Russia;
2. to stay with Ukraine.

No, really, what were the choices?

You make joke, but not such a funny one. No one recognizes the election in Crimea except Russia. United Nations does not recognize the election. Foreign countries object to the election and call it illegal. China refused to vote and UN Security Council while the other nations on the Security Council said no recognition would be given. There is a reason international community demands neutral observers monitor elections. Elections are easy to fix and create fraudulent results. Crimea did not allow monitors. Almost a year after election and Crimea is not recognized as independent or part of Russia. Do you understand? You always claim Crimea made choice but the rest of world says that is false. No free election took place in Crimea. Only fake kind of election where winner claims 95% of vote that everyone knows is not real.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-26502356

Camp, Toddster-Parrot and other hardheaded parrots: if Z leader of your country hardly can crawl over 40% barrier of his approval and recently has been “promoted” from being called “national shame” to “international shame”, it does not automatically mean that the people in other countries and corners of the world can vote higher than that. If Crimea did not escape from Ukraine in time, Ukrainian tanks would be there killing the population just like they are doing in Donbass now. Unlike you, Crimean people knew it very well and it actually saved thousands of lives. From both sides, BTW.
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I do not believe or trust your words. I saw no problems like you describe when I was in Crimea. No tanks making threats. Trouble did not start until Putin made it start. The apartment building I stayed in when in Donetsk is destroyed. Rebels put anti aircraft gun on the roof. Separatist bastards are like Muslim Jihadist, Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist.. They set up their guns and rockets in the middle of civilians knowing when return fire from their attacks come it will kill civilians. They see this as propaganda victory. Terrorist do not go into the forest and mountains or fields to fight. They hide behind the women, children and old people in the cities and towns. Now my friends parents have lost their home and been forced to move away from the city they were born and raised in. Lucky their daughter has a flat in Kremenchuk so they have a place to live.
You think people in the west depend on only media sources for information. You are a fool. We have hundreds of thousands of people who travel to and from Russia, Ukraine and all over eastern Europe who give us accurate eyewitness up to date information. We talk to friends every day who are in the midst of the action. If we are not talking to them direct we are talking to their relatives who live here and communicate with their families everyday.
It is 21st Century. You and Putin are living in 20th Century still. You still think old style propaganda can work.