American Jews and liberalism

[Mr. Shaman]

Nazis are the opposite of socialists, liberal, democrats. Jews know their history, whereas there is some strange new history being promulgated by Fox, Rush etc; Neocons are the closest to Nazis we have- if they declare martial law they're THERE...

No doubt!!

Unfortunately, for them.....

.....BLITZKRIEG.....

.....has already been used.​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Israel is the size of New Jersey, but Obama has decided that is too big. He has decided Israel will be the size of Delaware. Obama is too stupid to figure out that Israel is one of our few allies in the Middle East and these Muslims hate Americans as much as they hate Jews.

....And, to be consistent (in a "conservative" kind o' way), all Anglos belong to the Klan.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Really? Maybe NOT by genetics...but by FAITH it is TRUE.

You might think I believe x, but that doesn't mean i believe x.

Beliefs are not hereditary.

The original and current Jewish definition of a born Jew is someone whose mother is Jewish.

Wrong. A Jew is an adherent of Judaism. It is that simple. Just because my mother was a Lutheran doesn't make me a Lutheran. I am not a Catholic just because my father was or because the church intended for me to be brainwashed into their church.

Didn't even BOTHER to read the source...TYPICAL. You're dismissed with an F-

Got it ACE?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGrlWOhtj3g]YouTube - ‪Lewis Black - The Old Testament‬‏[/ame]​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

...the more moderate society, the better for jews since jews don't do well in extreme societies...

Agreed. A moderate society, to me anyway, is one whose government obeys the law of the land. We don't do that anymore. Further, the bigger the government, the less moderate the society unless you equate the erosion of individual freedom, government lawlessness, and extreme financial malfeasance as acceptable consequences of top down control. I do not. We left moderate behind long ago.

jews believe in education...

Which is why more often than not they opt for a private education. I'd rather go without an education than be taught by the King...as the saying goes.

jews have been subject to discrimination and vote against policies that smack of discrimination and racism...

Read 'Setting the Record Straight: American history in Black and White'. There's your Democratic party. Slaves or recipients, either can be controlled. Don't worry, I have equally negative things to say about the Republicans!

jews believe in taking care of the poor and sick

I lived in the UK for years. I've seen socialized medicine. Great if you have strep throat. SUCKS if you need serious care.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxNhOBemsic]YouTube - ‪Q&A: T.R. Reid‬‏[/ame]​

 

[Dr.Drock]

Who advocates raising taxes to send more money to Israel? Oh yeah, the Dems.

Yes, as well as republicans.

Which Republican advocates raising taxes? I want names.

My apologies you are correct, they don't say they're going to do it so they don't really advocate for it, it just happens.

Just like the way democrats do it.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Why are we even dicking around with Israels territory? It's land they took when THEY were attacked to secure their borders. How they protect their interests is not our call.

We're not, it's empty rhetoric from a man with a history of empthy rhetoric, so I have no idea why people are hyperventilating.


He's giving them $30 billion of our tax dollars which will be used on resources they need to expand their territory, so you can either go by what pundits are interpretting he meant when he was behind a podium, or you can go by actual facts/budgets.

$30B? Really? You have a source for this assertion? I mean other that Stormfront.com

Obama approves aid to Israel, PA - Israel News, Ynetnews

WASHINGTON – US President Barack Obama this week signed the 2010 foreign aid budget law which includes $2.775 billion in security aid to Israel. This is the second year the budget is transferred to the Jewish state as part of understandings that the American assistance to Israel in the coming decade will total $30 billion.

 

[Political Junky]

I'm glad Hitler loved the Cathilcs...

Polish Christians and Catholics were actually the first victims of the notorious German death camp. For the first 21 months after it began in 1940, Auschwitz was inhabited almost exclusively by Polish non-Jews. The first ethnic Pole died in June 1940 and the first Jew died in October 1942.

Poland - Hitler's First Target for Annihilation During the Holocaust

The Catholic Church was helpful to the Nazis in that they assisted some of them in escaping Europe after WW2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II)

 

[The Rabbi]

We're not, it's empty rhetoric from a man with a history of empthy rhetoric, so I have no idea why people are hyperventilating.


He's giving them $30 billion of our tax dollars which will be used on resources they need to expand their territory, so you can either go by what pundits are interpretting he meant when he was behind a podium, or you can go by actual facts/budgets.

$30B? Really? You have a source for this assertion? I mean other that Stormfront.com

Obama approves aid to Israel, PA - Israel News, Ynetnews

WASHINGTON – US President Barack Obama this week signed the 2010 foreign aid budget law which includes $2.775 billion in security aid to Israel. This is the second year the budget is transferred to the Jewish state as part of understandings that the American assistance to Israel in the coming decade will total $30 billion.

OK so the actual number is less than $3B. Thank you for confirming you're wrong.

 

[The Rabbi]

Yes, as well as republicans.

Which Republican advocates raising taxes? I want names.

My apologies you are correct, they don't say they're going to do it so they don't really advocate for it, it just happens.

Just like the way democrats do it.

Well there you go lying again. That's why you're "Dr Drekk".
Ahead of Biden Visit, Dems Call for Higher Taxes - By Andrew Stiles - The Corner - National Review Online

 

[Dr.Drock]

$30B? Really? You have a source for this assertion? I mean other that Stormfront.com

Obama approves aid to Israel, PA - Israel News, Ynetnews

WASHINGTON – US President Barack Obama this week signed the 2010 foreign aid budget law which includes $2.775 billion in security aid to Israel. This is the second year the budget is transferred to the Jewish state as part of understandings that the American assistance to Israel in the coming decade will total $30 billion.

OK so the actual number is less than $3B. Thank you for confirming you're wrong.

I didn't say $30 billion a year, either learn to read, or pay attention.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Which Republican advocates raising taxes? I want names.

My apologies you are correct, they don't say they're going to do it so they don't really advocate for it, it just happens.

Just like the way democrats do it.

Well there you go lying again. That's why you're "Dr Drekk".
Ahead of Biden Visit, Dems Call for Higher Taxes - By Andrew Stiles - The Corner - National Review Online

Alright you win, it's better to say "Read my lips, no new taxes" and raise taxes than to just be honest about it.

To me it makes no difference what the rhetoric is when the end result is the same, that's where we differ.

 

[lehr]

david greenglass - ethel rosenberg brother - gave info on how the a-bomb worked and looked - he now has a new I.D. fox news 24 july 08

jonathan pollard gave 500,000 u.s. documents to his israeli handlers - isreal sold them to the u.s.s.r.

" amerikan jews are the most faithful demokrat voters " geraldo - fox news - 3 april 08 = demokrats r communists - geraldo protested the nam war - he is a jew

" viet-nam: the necessary war " by michael lind

" by the 30s a majority of amerikan communists were jews " p. 108

" best predictor of campus protests was a high degree of jewish students " p. 109

" campus leftism was due to ethnic heritage of jewish intellectuals " p. 109

" the only large population group with small combat deaths in viet-nam was jews " p. 110

" overrepresentation of protestant/jews in media and college supported the anti-military demokrat party " p. 127

" anti-u.s. military by jews is due to east europe immigrant socialist traditions " p. 141


all religions are crazy communist cults !

 

[jillian]

Which begs the question?

When conservatives keep braying they want a "Constitutional Government"...have they even read the damn thing?

Yep many times! Next question.

What people don't realize is that with constitutional law its just as important (if not more important) to know case law as it is to know the constitution. For example, libertarians love to tout that they follow the consitution literally and that the constitution expressly protects the right to privacy our, most fundamental right (which is their prime argument to get rid of the Patriot Act). However, the right to privacy isn't in the constitution! Without case law interpretations, we WOULDN'T HAVE IT! In Griswold, which was a Planned Parenthood case on contraceptives, the a right to privacy was established, by the reasoning it's within the prenumbras (shadows) of the bill of rights. Roe v. Wade further strengthen the right to privacy (in the abortion arena). Interesting both involved reproduction rights.

Miranda Rights aren't in the constitution, they are the norm given by Miranda v. AZ!

Take the "I gotta ya tactic" the left used on O'Donnell in the Separation of Church and State. She said it wasn't in the constitution and the left mocked her! Yet she was RIGHT! The Separation of Church and State, which is a norm and pretty much undisputed principle of this country, was NOT established until the 1940s or 50s (can't remember which) in the Emerson case. This is where Separation of Church and State came about. It case law that created it!

You're mostly correct. I'd argue a point of law, though. Since we don't live in a Code nation like France, and live under a common law system, our law consists of both statute and caselaw.

With respect to Miranda. True that Miranda warnings are not specifically in the Constitution. However, the Constitution does provide that no one be compelled to testify against themselves under the Fifth Amendment and provides criminal defendants with the right to an attorney under the Sixth Amendment. Miranda was merely a means of effectuating those rights. It also doesn't apply to every statement, but only to statements made while the defendant is under custodial interrogation.

In the same fashion, the right of privacy, essential to any true reading of the Constitution, is merely a means of effectuating the intent of the document. I am always amused when libertarians object to this one since it is the right that keeps government out of their most personal acts... inter-racial marriage (loving v virginia), the ability of even a married couple to purchase contraceptives (griswold v connecticut) and the ability for a woman to exercise dominion over her own body (roe v wade).

So it is not so much that the right wouldn't "exist" without the caselaw, it is more that the right would not be fully protected absent the caselaw's definitions of overly invasive governmental action.

possibly a bit of a pedantic response to your post, but your answer interested me so i thought i'd play socratic method for a moment.

 

[jillian]

david greenglass - ethel rosenberg brother - gave info on how the a-bomb worked and looked - he now has a new I.D. fox news 24 july 08

jonathan pollard gave 500,000 u.s. documents to his israeli handlers - isreal sold them to the u.s.s.r.

" amerikan jews are the most faithful demokrat voters " geraldo - fox news - 3 april 08 = demokrats r communists - geraldo protested the nam war - he is a jew

" viet-nam: the necessary war " by michael lind

" by the 30s a majority of amerikan communists were jews " p. 108

" best predictor of campus protests was a high degree of jewish students " p. 109

" campus leftism was due to ethnic heritage of jewish intellectuals " p. 109

" the only large population group with small combat deaths in viet-nam was jews " p. 110

" overrepresentation of protestant/jews in media and college supported the anti-military demokrat party " p. 127

" anti-u.s. military by jews is due to east europe immigrant socialist traditions " p. 141


all religions are crazy communist cults !

if you're going to spew nonsense, kindly wait til you have more than 15 posts and link your "sources".

thanks.

 

[lehr]

carl bernstein -(wash post ) - said he grew up thinking ethel rosenberg as a jewish madonna - that jackass woman almost got us all killed = today bernstein attacks palin


once a red - always a red


comrade charles rangel (D) - korea was hero - greeted castro with a bear-hug in harlem in 1995 = castro was invited to amerika by communist rev calvin butts of the communist baptist church of n.y.c.


all religions are crazy communist cults = rev. wright is just the tip of the ice berg

 

[Steve Hanson]

Victims---Liberals love victims.

That didn't make sense, Jews were the victims. Liberals seem to hate Jews and Israel.

Jews were the victims up until about 1982 and the Lebanon invasion. After that the Palis manipulated the media and made themselves the victims.

Yea, go figure that one. How the Palis, who have been the aggressors ever became the victims, I'll never understand.

 

[jillian]

Agreed. A moderate society, to me anyway, is one whose government obeys the law of the land. We don't do that anymore. Further, the bigger the government, the less moderate the society unless you equate the erosion of individual freedom, government lawlessness, and extreme financial malfeasance as acceptable consequences of top down control. I do not. We left moderate behind long ago.

I'd disagree as to your definitions of what "moderate" means. I'm quite sure the Reich was very observant of its own laws. And the minute you start imposing those types of idealogical judgments and try to make moderate meet your own political viewpoint (which is not moderate if you are, as you appear to be, one of the tea party or randian types).

Which is why more often than not they opt for a private education. I'd rather go without an education than be taught by the King...as the saying goes.

really? i haven't found that to be true at all. i'd say certainly orthodox jews educate their children in religious schools (same as catholics), but having grown up a jew in NYC, i'm pretty sure that me and a good percentage of my classmates in the public school system were jews. just as i'm pretty sure the majority of jews in NY attend public school. (though i'm pretty sure that neither you nor i have those numbers and are working anecdotally).

Also I believe that it is public education which makes democracy possible. Otherwise, only rich people would be educated. I really don't want to live in a banana republic.

Read 'Setting the Record Straight: American history in Black and White'. There's your Democratic party. Slaves or recipients, either can be controlled. Don't worry, I have equally negative things to say about the Republicans!

thanks. but if you don't mind,i don't do the anti-political party thing since there is one party that espouses things i mostly find unacceptable even where there are individual matters i may agree with or individual things i think both parties are doing wrong.

I lived in the UK for years. I've seen socialized medicine. Great if you have strep throat. SUCKS if you need serious care. To the point, Jews take care of their own at an individual/family level and it works. It's the antithesis of central planners. So again, I don't get why Federal meddling in healthcare should appeal to Jews.

if you lived in the UK, you know that nothing that has been proposed is even remotely socialized medicine as that concept is generally understood. Making sure people are insured isn't "federal meddling".

Making sure that we don't become a third world country as would happen if the randians and government haters succeed..,... that should very much appeal to jews.

 

[lehr]

18 july 08 pope benedict xvi said - " mans insatiable consumption has scarred the earth and squandered its resources " = he said this with his mouth full of food and sitting a a gold chair - communists call pope benedict - " the green pope " = green is a hoax

6 jan 09 vatican attacked amerika for trying to secure its borders

" the committee for peace disarmament and co-operation " headed by protestant clergy was financed by the stasi

" useful idiots " by mona charen

" national council of churches praised the example cuba was setting for the world " p. 187

" catholic maryknoll order endoursed liberation theology and communism " p. 201



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lucianne goldberg left her episcopal church when they sent members to cuba to work for castro = c- span 26 dec. 03

 

[jillian]

That didn't make sense, Jews were the victims. Liberals seem to hate Jews and Israel.

Jews were the victims up until about 1982 and the Lebanon invasion. After that the Palis manipulated the media and made themselves the victims.

Yea, go figure that one. How the Palis, who have been the aggressors ever became the victims, I'll never understand.

that's what happens when you put your women and children in front of the guns and bombs and call the press to take pictures when the big bad israelis defend themselves from missiles.

 

[Steve Hanson]

Jews were the victims up until about 1982 and the Lebanon invasion. After that the Palis manipulated the media and made themselves the victims.

Yea, go figure that one. How the Palis, who have been the aggressors ever became the victims, I'll never understand.

that's what happens when you put your women and children in front of the guns and bombs and call the press to take pictures when the big bad israelis defend themselves from missiles.

Act like that are also what tell me peace negotiations are a waste of time. They don't want peace. They are no honorable and peace is only a means of moving the line in the sand a little closer in their direction for future agression.