America: Love it of Leave it!!

Captain Creeper

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Here is a radical notion in today's radicalized America: If you do not pledge your allegiance to the American republic, then you ought not participate in the same. I am not talking about saying the Pledge of Allegiance. I am talking about walking the walk. Actions are more important than words. If you cannot do this, then you cannot be a citizen. Here is a partial list of things that indicate you have chosen to smite America; i.e., things that clearly demonstrate you do not support the republic:

1. Declaring yourself a socialist, communist, democratic socialist, etc ... None of these Marxist-based ideologies are consistent with our constitution. Yes, there is a First Amendment that prevents the government from loading you into a massive catapult and firing you out into the Atlantic Ocean. However, the First Amendment probably does not prevent other actions from being taken (limiting your rights based on you being a national security threat; public ostracizing; a total private sector freeze-out, etc...).

2. Opposing ICE enforcing federal immigration law. The clear implication of this is anarchy. You may not like that we have immigration laws (like the rest of the world does), or that they are imperative to sovereignty, but your redress is to lobby lawmakers, NOT interfere with legitimate law-enforcement activity. This is borderline sedition.

3. Promoting and adhering to ideologies that tend to degrade the moral fabric of the nation. This is wokeness, trans, pedo shit (e.g., sexualizing children), etc...

4. Declaring allegiance to our enemies. Clearly, what I have in mind are the people protesting and supporting Hamas. These people and freedom are strangers. Moreover, Islamists want to destroy America. There is nothing good for America to have people doing this within our borders. In fact, it is harmful. You may protest our government's foreign policy all you like. But when you take sides against America, like these foreign protest movements (funded by foreign actors), that is it. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES AFFORDED BY OUR CONSTITUTION WHEN YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY PREACHING SHIT THAT LENDS ITSELF TO DESTROYING SAID DOCUMENT.

Engage in this thought experiment. When the Founders were debating the freedoms and liberties to be guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, what do you think their response would be to the question, "What if a certain kind if speech is so insidious that it tends to lead people to wanting to overthrow/destroy the republic? Is THAT speech guaranteed by the First Amendment?" The years of jurisprudence that followed interpreted the First Amendment rather broadly, holding that it protected the act of burning the American flag and the expression of just about every sort of degenerate idea out there. However, I do not think that is what the Founders intended. If they has such question posed to them, they would, I think, have said the following:

"Implicit in a nation-state's charter is the unstated premise that a country always seeks to act in its best interest and, therefore, it has not only a right, but a duty, to ensure the perpetuation of its existence."

Honestly, could the underlying assumption of a sovereign nation-state ever be ANYTHING but this? NO!

Sure, you can let some weirdos talk about this and protest that, and whatever. But we have progressed beyond this now. Certain people are actively engages in all manner of ideological driven b.s. that is aimed at undermining the republic. Funding is flowing in from foreign actors, and domestic actors. No patriotic American argues for socialism. That is ipso facto contra America. No patriotic America opposes the enforcement of valid law, for such is anarchy. No patriotic American tries to interfere with the enforcement of law. No Patriotic American advocates for open borders.

This is pretty basic stuff, and it is being ignored because people have other things on their minds. The public education system has ignored civics, and now is affirmatively pimping destructive ideology. Trump is right to rid our nation of the U.S. Dept. of Education, and it is a centralized agency that has concentrated power. The Founders would not have approved of having such an agency either. They did not allow for it in the Constitution, nor were they fans of concentrated power. They new that power needed to be checks and dispersed.

The principle is simple: If you are not aligned with the U.S. constitutional republic as sovereign nation-state, then you ought to have no right to participate in our republic as a citizen. You can visit, but you cannot stay, vote, or run for office.

El Capitan Creeper, 2025.
 
Our Constitution doesn`t hold us to any economic or political policy. Communism, Marxism, etc. are legal. "our enemies"? I have none.
Your #3 had be rolling on the floor with laughter. Thanks:laughing0301:
 
Our Constitution doesn`t hold us to any economic or political policy. Communism, Marxism, etc. are legal. "our enemies"? I have none.
They may be "legal", which I acknowledge in my post. However, once they cross over to action contrary to the continued existence of our republic, they come something else entirely.
 
This nation has a "moral fabric"? I grew up in the 60s watching our Vietnam adventure and gave up on that moral fabric nonsense. Then we blew up Iraq in a search for WMDs that we KNEW didn`t exist.
 

Here is a radical notion in today's radicalized America: If you do not pledge your allegiance to the American republic, then you ought not participate in the same. I am not talking about saying the Pledge of Allegiance. I am talking about walking the walk. Actions are more important than words. If you cannot do this, then you cannot be a citizen. Here is a partial list of things that indicate you have chosen to smite America; i.e., things that clearly demonstrate you do not support the republic:

1. Declaring yourself a socialist, communist, democratic socialist, etc ... None of these Marxist-based ideologies are consistent with our constitution. Yes, there is a First Amendment that prevents the government from loading you into a massive catapult and firing you out into the Atlantic Ocean. However, the First Amendment probably does not prevent other actions from being taken (limiting your rights based on you being a national security threat; public ostracizing; a total private sector freeze-out, etc...).

2. Opposing ICE enforcing federal immigration law. The clear implication of this is anarchy. You may not like that we have immigration laws (like the rest of the world does), or that they are imperative to sovereignty, but your redress is to lobby lawmakers, NOT interfere with legitimate law-enforcement activity. This is borderline sedition.

3. Promoting and adhering to ideologies that tend to degrade the moral fabric of the nation. This is wokeness, trans, pedo shit (e.g., sexualizing children), etc...

4. Declaring allegiance to our enemies. Clearly, what I have in mind are the people protesting and supporting Hamas. These people and freedom are strangers. Moreover, Islamists want to destroy America. There is nothing good for America to have people doing this within our borders. In fact, it is harmful. You may protest our government's foreign policy all you like. But when you take sides against America, like these foreign protest movements (funded by foreign actors), that is it. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES AFFORDED BY OUR CONSTITUTION WHEN YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY PREACHING SHIT THAT LENDS ITSELF TO DESTROYING SAID DOCUMENT.

Engage in this thought experiment. When the Founders were debating the freedoms and liberties to be guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, what do you think their response would be to the question, "What if a certain kind if speech is so insidious that it tends to lead people to wanting to overthrow/destroy the republic? Is THAT speech guaranteed by the First Amendment?" The years of jurisprudence that followed interpreted the First Amendment rather broadly, holding that it protected the act of burning the American flag and the expression of just about every sort of degenerate idea out there. However, I do not think that is what the Founders intended. If they has such question posed to them, they would, I think, have said the following:

"Implicit in a nation-state's charter is the unstated premise that a country always seeks to act in its best interest and, therefore, it has not only a right, but a duty, to ensure the perpetuation of its existence."

Honestly, could the underlying assumption of a sovereign nation-state ever be ANYTHING but this? NO!

Sure, you can let some weirdos talk about this and protest that, and whatever. But we have progressed beyond this now. Certain people are actively engages in all manner of ideological driven b.s. that is aimed at undermining the republic. Funding is flowing in from foreign actors, and domestic actors. No patriotic American argues for socialism. That is ipso facto contra America. No patriotic America opposes the enforcement of valid law, for such is anarchy. No patriotic American tries to interfere with the enforcement of law. No Patriotic American advocates for open borders.

This is pretty basic stuff, and it is being ignored because people have other things on their minds. The public education system has ignored civics, and now is affirmatively pimping destructive ideology. Trump is right to rid our nation of the U.S. Dept. of Education, and it is a centralized agency that has concentrated power. The Founders would not have approved of having such an agency either. They did not allow for it in the Constitution, nor were they fans of concentrated power. They new that power needed to be checks and dispersed.

The principle is simple: If you are not aligned with the U.S. constitutional republic as sovereign nation-state, then you ought to have no right to participate in our republic as a citizen. You can visit, but you cannot stay, vote, or run for office.

El Capitan Creeper, 2025.
You are just an old-fashioned fascist, aren't you?
 
This nation has a "moral fabric"? I grew up in the 60s watching our Vietnam adventure and gave up on that moral fabric nonsense. Then we blew up Iraq in a search for WMDs that we KNEW didn`t exist.
Gee, I am sorry that you are such a sad sack of misery and depression. 🙄
 

Here is a radical notion in today's radicalized America: If you do not pledge your allegiance to the American republic, then you ought not participate in the same. I am not talking about saying the Pledge of Allegiance. I am talking about walking the walk. Actions are more important than words. If you cannot do this, then you cannot be a citizen. Here is a partial list of things that indicate you have chosen to smite America; i.e., things that clearly demonstrate you do not support the republic:

1. Declaring yourself a socialist, communist, democratic socialist, etc ... None of these Marxist-based ideologies are consistent with our constitution. Yes, there is a First Amendment that prevents the government from loading you into a massive catapult and firing you out into the Atlantic Ocean. However, the First Amendment probably does not prevent other actions from being taken (limiting your rights based on you being a national security threat; public ostracizing; a total private sector freeze-out, etc...).

2. Opposing ICE enforcing federal immigration law. The clear implication of this is anarchy. You may not like that we have immigration laws (like the rest of the world does), or that they are imperative to sovereignty, but your redress is to lobby lawmakers, NOT interfere with legitimate law-enforcement activity. This is borderline sedition.

3. Promoting and adhering to ideologies that tend to degrade the moral fabric of the nation. This is wokeness, trans, pedo shit (e.g., sexualizing children), etc...

4. Declaring allegiance to our enemies. Clearly, what I have in mind are the people protesting and supporting Hamas. These people and freedom are strangers. Moreover, Islamists want to destroy America. There is nothing good for America to have people doing this within our borders. In fact, it is harmful. You may protest our government's foreign policy all you like. But when you take sides against America, like these foreign protest movements (funded by foreign actors), that is it. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES AFFORDED BY OUR CONSTITUTION WHEN YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY PREACHING SHIT THAT LENDS ITSELF TO DESTROYING SAID DOCUMENT.

Engage in this thought experiment. When the Founders were debating the freedoms and liberties to be guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, what do you think their response would be to the question, "What if a certain kind if speech is so insidious that it tends to lead people to wanting to overthrow/destroy the republic? Is THAT speech guaranteed by the First Amendment?" The years of jurisprudence that followed interpreted the First Amendment rather broadly, holding that it protected the act of burning the American flag and the expression of just about every sort of degenerate idea out there. However, I do not think that is what the Founders intended. If they has such question posed to them, they would, I think, have said the following:

"Implicit in a nation-state's charter is the unstated premise that a country always seeks to act in its best interest and, therefore, it has not only a right, but a duty, to ensure the perpetuation of its existence."

Honestly, could the underlying assumption of a sovereign nation-state ever be ANYTHING but this? NO!

Sure, you can let some weirdos talk about this and protest that, and whatever. But we have progressed beyond this now. Certain people are actively engages in all manner of ideological driven b.s. that is aimed at undermining the republic. Funding is flowing in from foreign actors, and domestic actors. No patriotic American argues for socialism. That is ipso facto contra America. No patriotic America opposes the enforcement of valid law, for such is anarchy. No patriotic American tries to interfere with the enforcement of law. No Patriotic American advocates for open borders.

This is pretty basic stuff, and it is being ignored because people have other things on their minds. The public education system has ignored civics, and now is affirmatively pimping destructive ideology. Trump is right to rid our nation of the U.S. Dept. of Education, and it is a centralized agency that has concentrated power. The Founders would not have approved of having such an agency either. They did not allow for it in the Constitution, nor were they fans of concentrated power. They new that power needed to be checks and dispersed.

The principle is simple: If you are not aligned with the U.S. constitutional republic as sovereign nation-state, then you ought to have no right to participate in our republic as a citizen. You can visit, but you cannot stay, vote, or run for office.

El Capitan Creeper, 2025.
"tell me you don't know what America stands for without saying you don't know what America stands for".
 
Capt you might change your title. It says love it of Leave it! I type like a deranged monkey so I understand.
Our Constitution doesn`t hold us to any economic or political policy. Communism, Marxism, etc. are legal. "our enemies"? I have none.
Your #3 had be rolling on the floor with laughter. Thanks:laughing0301:
I do. Cats. See my avatar. Our pronouns are 'bite' and 'them.'
 
Sure, you can let some weirdos talk about this and protest that, and whatever. But we have progressed beyond this now. Certain people are actively engages in all manner of ideological driven b.s. that is aimed at undermining the republic. Funding is flowing in from foreign actors, and domestic actors. No patriotic American argues for socialism. That is ipso facto contra America. No patriotic America opposes the enforcement of valid law, for such is anarchy. No patriotic American tries to interfere with the enforcement of law. No Patriotic American advocates for open borders.

This is pretty basic stuff, and it is being ignored because people have other things on their minds. The public education system has ignored civics, and now is affirmatively pimping destructive ideology. Trump is right to rid our nation of the U.S. Dept. of Education, and it is a centralized agency that has concentrated power. The Founders would not have approved of having such an agency either. They did not allow for it in the Constitution, nor were they fans of concentrated power. They new that power needed to be checks and dispersed.

The principle is simple: If you are not aligned with the U.S. constitutional republic as sovereign nation-state, then you ought to have no right to participate in our republic as a citizen. You can visit, but you cannot stay, vote, or run for office.

El Capitan Creeper, 2025.
What a bunch of damn trash. The founders were not fond of concentrated powers? The hell you say, then why did we need a second Constitutional Convention? Do you know nothing of history? Uh, nevermind. You don't. No patriotic American interferes with law enforcement? Do tell. Damn, have you ever read the Declaration of Independence? Evidently, you would have been a Loyalist back in the day.
 
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The OP seems dissatisfied with American freedom. Therefore, he should pack up and move to a place that better fits his desires. Russia, or maybe Hungary, would fit his needs.
 
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The OP seems dissatisfied with American freedom. Therefore, he should pack up and move to a place that better fits his desires. Russia, or maybe Hungary, would fit his needs.
Ok Hungary is really beautiful though, with good food and great women.
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