Amazing how some can see truth when it comes to politics but not religion

[task0778]

Facts change, truth not so much.

Sadly, on important issues not enough facts are presented to establish the truth of the matter.

Well now. Maybe it depends on your definition of 'fact' and 'truth'. Consider:

Fact and truth are often used interchangeably, but there is actually a big difference between the two. A fact is a statement that can be proven to be true through observation or scientific evidence. For example, the fact that the earth revolves around the sun can be proven through repeated observations of the night sky. Truth, on the other hand, is more subjective. It is a statement that someone believes to be true, even if there is no concrete evidence to support it. For example, someone may believe that extraterrestrial life exists, even though there is no scientific proof of its existence. In many cases, what someone considers to be true may simply be a matter of opinion.

Difference between Fact and Truth - Difference Betweenz

When most people think of the words “fact” and “truth,” they think of them as being synonymous. However, there is a distinct difference between the two. Fact is based on evidence, while truth is based on…well, the truth. So what’s the difference? And which one should you believe in? In this blog...

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As it relates to politics and religion, there is very little that can be defined IMHO as objective truth, which means something that is always true for everybody and everywhere. Example: humans need air to breath. I would call that an objective truth. Each of us may determine something to be objective truth, but that actually is merely his/her opinion. These days, we may not even agree on what the facts are, as seen in the debate on climate change. Facts can change as more observation and experimentation continues, and therefore so can one's definition of what is true and what isn't. So what we are left with is subjective truth, subject to our own observations and experiments.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I'm sure you realize it is far from being that simple...?

Of course, however if I wrote an essay on this, nobody would read it. I mean, you're the only response I got from this (I assume, maybe someone I've blocked also replied, who cares?) and you didn't even address what I said, just that it isn't that simple.

 

[Woodznutz]

Well now. Maybe it depends on your definition of 'fact' and 'truth'. Consider:

Fact and truth are often used interchangeably, but there is actually a big difference between the two. A fact is a statement that can be proven to be true through observation or scientific evidence. For example, the fact that the earth revolves around the sun can be proven through repeated observations of the night sky. Truth, on the other hand, is more subjective. It is a statement that someone believes to be true, even if there is no concrete evidence to support it. For example, someone may believe that extraterrestrial life exists, even though there is no scientific proof of its existence. In many cases, what someone considers to be true may simply be a matter of opinion.

Difference between Fact and Truth - Difference Betweenz

When most people think of the words “fact” and “truth,” they think of them as being synonymous. However, there is a distinct difference between the two. Fact is based on evidence, while truth is based on…well, the truth. So what’s the difference? And which one should you believe in? In this blog...

differencebetweenz.com

As it relates to politics and religion, there is very little that can be defined IMHO as objective truth, which means something that is always true for everybody and everywhere. Example: humans need air to breath. I would call that an objective truth. Each of us may determine something to be objective truth, but that actually is merely his/her opinion. These days, we may not even agree on what the facts are, as seen in the debate on climate change. Facts can change as more observation and experimentation continues, and therefore so can one's definition of what is true and what isn't. So what we are left with is subjective truth, subject to our own observations and experiments.

I would say that a truth could established by an overwhelming number of facts related to the subject. Also, a 'fact' is generally a single element of evidence that may or may not support a final conclusion, whereas truth is established by many supporting facts.

 

[Foxfyre]

I feel the same, but coming at it opposite you. Some many sane conservatives in Politics turn into hateful “my way or you go to hell’ Christians in the Religion forum.

Or vice versa. Those who try to behave as 'good Christians' in the religion forum turn into accusers, blamers, attackers, insulters, shamers in the politics forum.

I sort of think Jesus intended us to live our faith in all aspects of our lives and not just in church . . .but I digress. . .

I got bored with discussions in which most are trying to see who could come up with the best zinger of an insult or think of the worst label they could call somebody and the discussion consisted of little more than that. A wise person once told me, if you can't make your point without going ad hominem or swearing or insulting, your point is usually going to be seriously lacking. But I also allow for those who entertain themselves and sometimes others doing that.

I am perhaps a bit gentler with people when it comes to religion as I never want to be responsible for causing harm, but even in political discussions I prefer to debate theory, logic, possibilities, realities instead of getting involved in a food fight.

The food fights just aren't fun for me.

 

[notmyfault2020]

Which you do appear to be ----- imagining that the Universe should match every thing you believe it ought to be .
You must get furious to see that others have not been blessed with your insights , wisdom and head size .

furious?

Don't flatter yourself. What disturbs me is the thought of so many people going to Hell... but I remind myself that it is THEIR choice

 

[notmyfault2020]

Facts change, truth not so much.

Sadly, on important issues not enough facts are presented to establish the truth of the matter.

with either politics or religion, I say plenty of facts are out there to find... enough, in any case, to make up one's mind, assuming one's mind is not dulled and distorted by that terrible thing called sin. Sin does dull the mind... I've seen massive evidence of that on the forum.. how liberals are extremely illogical (for one)

 

[Woodznutz]

with either politics or religion, I say plenty of facts are out there to find... enough, in any case, to make up one's mind, assuming one's mind is not dulled and distorted by that terrible thing called sin. Sin does dull the mind... I've seen massive evidence of that on the forum.. how liberals are extremely illogical (for one)

A pint of truth hidden in a lake of facts.

 

[Woodznutz]

Well now. Maybe it depends on your definition of 'fact' and 'truth'. Consider:

Fact and truth are often used interchangeably, but there is actually a big difference between the two. A fact is a statement that can be proven to be true through observation or scientific evidence. For example, the fact that the earth revolves around the sun can be proven through repeated observations of the night sky. Truth, on the other hand, is more subjective. It is a statement that someone believes to be true, even if there is no concrete evidence to support it. For example, someone may believe that extraterrestrial life exists, even though there is no scientific proof of its existence. In many cases, what someone considers to be true may simply be a matter of opinion.

Difference between Fact and Truth - Difference Betweenz

When most people think of the words “fact” and “truth,” they think of them as being synonymous. However, there is a distinct difference between the two. Fact is based on evidence, while truth is based on…well, the truth. So what’s the difference? And which one should you believe in? In this blog...

differencebetweenz.com

As it relates to politics and religion, there is very little that can be defined IMHO as objective truth, which means something that is always true for everybody and everywhere. Example: humans need air to breath. I would call that an objective truth. Each of us may determine something to be objective truth, but that actually is merely his/her opinion. These days, we may not even agree on what the facts are, as seen in the debate on climate change. Facts can change as more observation and experimentation continues, and therefore so can one's definition of what is true and what isn't. So what we are left with is subjective truth, subject to our own observations and experiments.

Facts bounce off of us like a falling acorn. Truth hits us like a ton of bricks.