‘Amateur hour’: Washington aghast at Trump administration's war plan group chat

[Lesh]

1. No argument that letting Goldberg into the discussion was a royal fuckup. Walz admits to it.

2. My Ratcliffe post was just proving that Signal was legally approved for use to reply to this post of yours:
"Sure it is, just not for highly sensitive military discussions. That’s a clear violation and should and would be actionable, if this were a normal administration."

3. Walz and Trump also agree that going forward all of the participants will be in the room or in SCIFS

You mean not in Russia like this time?

Well gee. That’s good huh?

 

[kyzr]

How about Trump releasing Taliban terrorists?

That may have been part of the deal.
No Americans were killed during the last 18-months of Trump's admin.

 

[Lesh]

That may have been part of the deal.
No Americans were killed during the last 18-months of Trump's admin.

That’s a lie

Trump claimed no U.S. troops died in Afghanistan for 18 months. Here's a fact check.

Government data shows while there was an 18-month period with no U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Trump was not in office for all of this time.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[LeftofLeft]

So, you’re leaving the board? It’s not I’m going to stop.

You can criticize all you want. My point is, you are standing in sand. I’ll hear you and your noise, but I’m not going to listen to you.

 

[Lesh]

You can criticize all you want. My point is, you are standing in sand. I’ll hear you and your noise, but I’m not going to listen to you.

There’s a phrase for that

Cognizant dissonance

Look it up

 

[JohnDB]

Turns out it was a coordinated case of deliberate espionage by Democrat Party operatives....that's how Goldberg's number was put under another person's name and Walz unknowingly included Goldberg.

 

[LeftofLeft]

There’s a phrase for that

Cognizant dissonance

Look it up

I looked up “Cognizant Dissonance” …. It does not exist. I think you meant “Cognitive Dissonance”, which, if you look at my position, there is no conflict, justification, or changing beliefs.

 

[Lesh]

I looked up “Cognizant Dissonance” …. It does not exist. I think you meant “Cognitive Dissonance”, which, if you look at my position, there is no conflict, justification, or changing beliefs.

Cognitive Dissonance and Ways to Resolve It

Cognitive dissonance happens when people hold conflicting beliefs. Learn the effects cognitive dissonance can have and how it can be resolved.

www.verywellmind.com

Own it

 

[sealybobo]

That may have been part of the deal.
No Americans were killed during the last 18-months of Trump's admin.

You are lying.

While Department of Defense data shows there was an 18-month stretch in which no U.S. service members were killed in combat in Afghanistan, Trump was not in office for all of this time.

Trump was in office for roughly 11 of those months and Biden was in office for the final seven months.

 

[Lesh]

You are lying.

While Department of Defense data shows there was an 18-month stretch in which no U.S. service members were killed in combat in Afghanistan, Trump was not in office for all of this time.

Trump was in office for roughly 11 of those months and Biden was in office for the final seven months.

And 12 servicemen died on Trump’s watch in his last year and a half.

It was a lie

 

[kyzr]

You are lying.
While Department of Defense data shows there was an 18-month stretch in which no U.S. service members were killed in combat in Afghanistan, Trump was not in office for all of this time. Trump was in office for roughly 11 of those months and Biden was in office for the final seven months.

So Biden rode Trump's coat-tails for 7-months after Trump negotiated the deal.
So "Trump negotiated an 18-month ceasefire with the Taliban" (is a more accurate statement)

 

[LeftofLeft]

Cognitive Dissonance and Ways to Resolve It

Cognitive dissonance happens when people hold conflicting beliefs. Learn the effects cognitive dissonance can have and how it can be resolved.

www.verywellmind.com

Own it

You need to learn to apply the term correctly. For starters, show me the conflicting belief. I showed you the conflicting belief from your side that believes a rogue email server receiving 33,000 pieces of mail from a government agency was not that big a deal yet now they get a conscience about national security because their guy/gal is not in office.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Well look at that.

You’re wrong once again

Not entirely. There was no actionable intelligence in that thread. It wasn't the shit show that it was portrayed to be. But, it's going to be fun calling you out and it won't be long before I get the chance...lol

 

[j-mac]

It may unpopular in my circles, but whom ever added this puke from the Atlantic, needs to be found and dismissed…

 

[0311]

Sure it is, just not for highly sensitive military discussions. That’s a clear violation and should and would be actionable, if this were a normal administration.

How about this? IF no classified was discussed, then release all texts sent. They claim no classified information was discussed, no classified material was discussed so released then just the ALL TEXTS SENT! NOT an annotated manuscript. IF on the other hand classified material was discussed then those present at the meeting must face criminal charges for violations of the National Security Act.

 

[0311]

'Own It, Fire Walz, Move On' White House Allies Fume As Group Chat Scandal Grows.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/26/mike-waltz-atlantic-group-chat-trump-response-00250847

Trump administration officials and allies are concerned, angry and confused about the response — led by national security adviser Mike Waltz — to the leak of a group chat conversation that included plans for an attack on Houthi rebels in Yemen.

Over the last 24 hours, President Donald Trump and officials in his administration have appeared to downplay the seriousness of the leaked Signal group chat first revealed by The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg, who was accidentally included in the discussion and later published his account of the snafu.

“The White House is in denial that this was not classified or sensitive data,” said Rep. Don Bacon, a Nebraska Republican and former Air Force general. “They should just own up to it and preserve credibility.”

 

[sealybobo]

So Biden rode Trump's coat-tails for 7-months after Trump negotiated the deal.
So "Trump negotiated an 18-month ceasefire with the Taliban" (is a more accurate statement)

Point is, Trump lied about 18 months.

You know what? Bill Clinton kept us safe and out of a recession his entire presidency. Handed GW Bush a great economy. The first recession during the George W. Bush presidency, often referred to as the "2001 recession," began in March 2001 and ended in November 2001. So Clinton had a great economy even 2 months after he left office.

And Biden handed Trump a great economy. Record stock market. Housing values through the roof. Low unemployment. Biden was adding 200,000 jobs a month. Trump came in, caused inflation, the economy to slow down, stagflation and Trump lost all the election gains the stock market made after the election. Trillions of dollars GONE because of Trump. Trump is ruining Biden's good economy. Don't blame Biden for anything because Trump owns EVERYTHING.

Trump hasn't lowered prices at all. You're still hurting right? Can't afford rent or eggs right? I'm just wondering what day exactly that Trump's going to turn the economy around for the better.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

No harm, no foul. Lesson learned.

Its not like when 13 Americans were killed in AFG because Biden's guys refused to shoot the suicide bomber, after the Taliban said to shoot him. I still want to know who told the US sniper not to shoot.

The dishonest right attempts to defend the indefensible with lies and cowardly deflections.

 

[sealybobo]

The dishonest right attempts to defend the indefensible with lies and cowardly deflections.

All these years, I never realized that the 13 people who died in Afghanistan were all killed by one suicide bomber. As if Biden could have done anything about that.

And like Republicans here would say anything if 13 people died on Trump's watch the same way. They would not make a big deal out of it. Especially if it was a ******* suicide bomber??? I had the impression that all over Afghanistan, 13 people total were murdered trying to exit the country. OMG, one suicide bomber?

Aside from that, he had zero other fatalities? Seems like he did a great job getting us out of Iraq. Too bad Trump didn't get us out so he could show us how he would have done it better.

 

[kyzr]

Point is, Trump lied about 18 months.

That is true. Except it was 11-months under Trump and 7-months under Biden during the draw-down.

You know what? Bill Clinton kept us safe and out of a recession his entire presidency. Handed GW Bush a great economy. The first recession during the George W. Bush presidency, often referred to as the "2001 recession," began in March 2001 and ended in November 2001. So Clinton had a great economy even 2 months after he left office.

True. Except Newt deserves half the credit for the Balanced Budget.

And Biden handed Trump a great economy. Record stock market. Housing values through the roof. Low unemployment. Biden was adding 200,000 jobs a month. Trump came in, caused inflation, the economy to slow down, stagflation and Trump lost all the election gains the stock market made after the election. Trillions of dollars GONE because of Trump. Trump is ruining Biden's good economy. Don't blame Biden for anything because Trump owns EVERYTHING.

Wrong about Trump causing inflation. Biden's wild spending caused inflation, up to 9%, then it came down.
Trump had to take the economy from a "borrow and spend" big-government economy to a normal capitalist economy. Trump-45 had $4T Budgets until Covid. Biden kept the ~$7T Budgets spending and borrowing way too much.

Trump hasn't lowered prices at all. You're still hurting right? Can't afford rent or eggs right? I'm just wondering what day exactly that Trump's going to turn the economy around for the better.

Wrong again. Gas and eggs are coming down. As more illegals get deported I expect all prices to drop due to less demand. Trump is about to add car tariffs, so there may be another dip until the dust settles and extra revenue comes in and the deficit gets lower. Do not underestimate the DOGE effect on the Budget, Republicans should be able to cut a $trillion or two off the Budget.