Am I the Crazy One?

Trump is just what America needs. (IMO)

And I never said any different. I just question whether Vance will be as effective a relayer of that opinion to the unwashed public as he should be (or could have been), and having seen the debate, my fears were confirmed--- while Vance was not bad, her fell far short of how good he should have been. Remember, you are far better informed of the issues than the average viewer.
 
I think he could have done better, but in spite of a bit of mod bias, I think Vance cleaned Walz's clock.

Actually, the mods were not all that bad. They asked fairly tough questions of both sides. And they fairly held both people's feet to the fire to really answer the questions. But as to Vance cleaning clocks? There was no clock cleaning. If anything, I would have awarded the slight edge to Walz for a number of reasons. Walz came out attacking Trump with a volley of accusations, while Vance passed on huge opportunity after opportunity. Mind you, I can turn off my personal opinions and biases and I watched the debate from the POV of an uninitiated, undecided, viewer.
 
I am unfortunately a political junkie and even though I try to screen out some of the bullshit I'm still inundated with political ads and arguments at this time in the four-year cycle.

This evening I've been watching the VP debate, and I wonder why Vance in particular is not bringing up any Constitutional issues. Let me mention a few, just for fun:
  • The Supreme Court has declared quite unambiguously that abortion is an issue for the States, and NOT the Federal government. President Trump has stated as clearly as possible that he agrees with that decision. Why the fuck are they arguing about Federal abortion policy?
  • They are arguing about a possible law that makes paid family leave a mandatory obligation for U.S. employers. Congress has NO POWER to demand that private employers pay for work not done/time not worked. IT CANNOT HAPPEN. Why is Vance not pointing that out?
  • On the Affordable Care Act ("Obamacare"), why was it not mentioned that the whole thing is unconstitutional? Congress has no power to get into the health insurance business.
  • On child care questions, what the ever-loving fuck? Where does the Federal government get the obligation to pay for child care, or for housing? Nowhere.
It seems like they consider it a losing proposition to even mention Constitutional constraints on what the President and Congress can do. I don't get it.
Don't feel bad. You are crazy, but you aren't the only one. There are loads of MAGAs just as crazy as you.
 
HERE IS HOW THE VP DEBATE REALLY WENT:

Mind you, this is an honest, objective review of how it went. I still support Trump and hope he wins so just because I say something negative about Vance or positive about Walz does NOT mean I'm joining the democrat party.

Vance lost to Walz about 60-40 or maybe 55-45. Let me explain:

BODY LANGUAGE:
Walz came out intense, laser focused, constantly taking notes, concerned, passionate. Like it was important to him.
Vance came out laid back, relaxed, kind of a Howdy-Doody look on his face, with a rather calm, emotionless, detached demeanor.
Walz spoke directly to the viewer looking right into the camera making impassioned appeals with hand gestures and an expressive, convincing face.
Vance spoke to the moderators, swallowed hard, making rather passionless, wooden statements with no particular expression or voice inflection standing rather stiff.

OPPORTUNITY:
Walz came out drilling for Trump, using him as a body bag of punches and attacks.
Vance was mostly on the defensive most of the time, but even when he attacked, he didn't sound like he really meant it, his voice came across sounding flat.
Walz appeared to be thoroughly and professional prepared by experts in public speaking.
Vance used his wife to coach him.
Walz fairly made the case of the Left's attacks on Trump and made it sound real, important, urgent.
Vance for whatever reason passed on huge opportunity after opportunity, either because he failed to take notes or because he was just badly coached. One case for example I recall was when Walz accused Trump of causing the economic collapse of 21, 22 and beyond which carries the lion's shares of most of the Right's arguments against Biden-Harris! When given the chance to rebuttal, Vance just let it slide! He didn't even bother to point out that most of the reason for the economy's collapse was due to the Covid shutdown which not only was beyond Trump's control as it was a national decision, but was chiefly orchestrated by the blue state governors including Walz! So when you close all the businesses and send most people home, of course the economy will collapse! Not because of Trump, yet Vance just let it go.

Another missed opportunity was the border bill. Walz argued that Trump shut it down to keep the Dems from looking good. The reality which Vance again failed to proffer was because it included guarantees for another 5,000 illegal immigrants let in per day or whatever, thereby insuring limitless, unending illegals! But Vance let it slide.

Vance did make the good point more than once that if all these great things Harris intends are true, then why hasn't she already implemented them?! Why isn't she doing them now??? But again, he did so with a rather monotonous and emotionless voice with no inflection to his voice carrying the gravity of the intent thereby not emotionally involving the viewer. If they were not closely paying attention, they might have missed the point altogether. The debate ran over so my recording of the very end was cut off, I just hope he made a better, more impassioned argument in his finish, like it actually mattered to him, and so, should matter as well to the viewer. The case against Harris/Walz is an easy one, yet Vance failed to get it across loud and clear. Vance appeared to loosen up a little bit half way through so I hope he made an emotional case in his closing statement at least because to the majority of voters, choosing in an election is an /emotional/ decision, not a cerebral one, yet Vance's approach all night long was very cerebral.

Mind you, when the uninitiated layman watches these debates, body language, facial expression, vocal inflection and such are mainly what decide their views on which to believe because they simply do not keep up with the issues like people here do. And on that case, while Walz was animated, waving his arms and impassioned, Vance came across as stiff, rather uninvolved, detached and flat. And that IMO decided the debate more in Walz's favor.
 
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Don't feel bad. You are crazy, but you aren't the only one. There are loads of MAGAs just as crazy as you.
Many Deplorables woke up as the nation became woke. Many of what they elected from their party are not what they have promoted. You are revenge for any gripe or perception for any wrong both currently and in the past. You have topped out though. While there are better people who are kept beneath your privilege. The real privilege. The good news is that your gripes and anyone experiencing wrongs will get their revenge on those who have committed abuses against them. It is so easy to see this as many do not.
 
I am unfortunately a political junkie and even though I try to screen out some of the bullshit I'm still inundated with political ads and arguments at this time in the four-year cycle.

This evening I've been watching the VP debate, and I wonder why Vance in particular is not bringing up any Constitutional issues. Let me mention a few, just for fun:
  • The Supreme Court has declared quite unambiguously that abortion is an issue for the States, and NOT the Federal government.

I have to stop you right there. They NEVER ruled that. They ruled it wasn't in the Constitution as a right and specifically said they were not ruling that the federal government couldn't pass abortion laws.
 
Give the tax money directly to those political leaders with boots on the ground, those who live in the communities and have a clear picture of the unique needs of their constituents.
Even then you have to watch them like a hawk so it's no surprise when your tax money is two tax systems (state/fed) removed from the people your money ends-up in places like Ukraine or on a fuckin' EBT card.
 
Actually, the mods were not all that bad. They asked fairly tough questions of both sides. And they fairly held both people's feet to the fire to really answer the questions. But as to Vance cleaning clocks? There was no clock cleaning. If anything, I would have awarded the slight edge to Walz for a number of reasons. Walz came out attacking Trump with a volley of accusations, while Vance passed on huge opportunity after opportunity. Mind you, I can turn off my personal opinions and biases and I watched the debate from the POV of an uninitiated, undecided, viewer.
I have to disagree. I stated the mods were a "bit" biased and they were in the framing of the questions--not overwhelming but noticeable. As for Walz attacking Trump--what else did you expect? That is all they have done. However, his timing was inappropriate. He did not answer the questions posited in favor of disjointed attacks on Trump, Early on, his blushing was a clear indicator that HE felt he was losing it. I think Vance, while not being great, was much more on point and articulate than Walz.
 
I have to disagree. I stated the mods were a "bit" biased and they were in the framing of the questions--not overwhelming but noticeable. As for Walz attacking Trump--what else did you expect? That is all they have done. However, his timing was inappropriate. He did not answer the questions posited in favor of disjointed attacks on Trump, Early on, his blushing was a clear indicator that HE felt he was losing it. I think Vance, while not being great, was much more on point and articulate than Walz.

Like I said, the polling I've heard seems to agree with me with them seeing Vance winning by 41-42% to Walz's 40-41% and around 17% calling it a tie. But they also found that they saw Walz as the more likable guy probably for all the reasons I already gave. So, no big loss for Trump, but then, no big win neither. Vance squandered several really huge opportunities to nail the lid on Harris/Walz just as I kinda expected him to do.

I was actually more impressed by Walz that he did much better than I expected while I thought Vance under-performed pretty much as I thought he might. I mean, one of the most lame periods was Vance's first reply where he started out talking about what a poor child he was living on food stamps--- the guy just doesn't convey any feeling in his voice nor face and has very poor emotional appeal to others. He looks almost the same whether reveling in how great something is or how terrible something is.

He should have hired a real speaking coach like Walz, instead of using his wife. It showed. But then, I see things most people don't as I have some background in public speaking and body language.
 
Actually Vance and Walz make the frontrunners look like amateurs.

I thought the same thing! Well, it occurred to me that on the surface, I might have guessed Walz running for president with Harris being HIS VP. I mean, it is hard to believe that Harris could really even hold down a job at McDonalds (if she did, I wouldn't trust to buy the food from her).
 
I thought the same thing! Well, it occurred to me that on the surface, I might have guessed Walz running for president with Harris being HIS VP. I mean, it is hard to believe that Harris could really even hold down a job at McDonalds (if she did, I wouldn't trust to buy the food from her).
Aye.. The T-man may be blunt, and an obnoxious New Yorker, but he ain't wrong.

I tell you this as a cracker with no extra love for obnoxious New Yorkers, lemme tell ya. :terror:

And yeah, he's a cut above Vance. Trump has bowling-ball sized balls.

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I am unfortunately a political junkie and even though I try to screen out some of the bullshit I'm still inundated with political ads and arguments at this time in the four-year cycle.

This evening I've been watching the VP debate, and I wonder why Vance in particular is not bringing up any Constitutional issues. Let me mention a few, just for fun:
  • The Supreme Court has declared quite unambiguously that abortion is an issue for the States, and NOT the Federal government. President Trump has stated as clearly as possible that he agrees with that decision. Why the fuck are they arguing about Federal abortion policy?
  • They are arguing about a possible law that makes paid family leave a mandatory obligation for U.S. employers. Congress has NO POWER to demand that private employers pay for work not done/time not worked. IT CANNOT HAPPEN. Why is Vance not pointing that out?
  • On the Affordable Care Act ("Obamacare"), why was it not mentioned that the whole thing is unconstitutional? Congress has no power to get into the health insurance business.
  • On child care questions, what the ever-loving fuck? Where does the Federal government get the obligation to pay for child care, or for housing? Nowhere.
It seems like they consider it a losing proposition to even mention Constitutional constraints on what the President and Congress can do. I don't get it.


Get it now?

constitution obama.webp
 
The US needs more Louisianas.
That's debatable. Especially if a fuckton of criminals came to your state after Katrina and tried to do

all the stupid bullshit they got away with in Louisiana.

And you live in a state where they're going to lock their asses up, and you too.

Yeah, no. Louisiana needs to stop letting criminals get away with things and then they think

they can expand and go to other states and get away with the same bullshit.

Yeah, it don't work like that in many other states. You rob and carjack? You're going to prison, and not for

a short time at all. At least in Florida.

They got room for ya! Yes they will lock your ass the fuck up!

It's best to not get caught breathing afoul of the law in Florida.
 
Actually, the mods were not all that bad. They asked fairly tough questions of both sides. And they fairly held both people's feet to the fire to really answer the questions. But as to Vance cleaning clocks? There was no clock cleaning. If anything, I would have awarded the slight edge to Walz for a number of reasons. Walz came out attacking Trump with a volley of accusations, while Vance passed on huge opportunity after opportunity. Mind you, I can turn off my personal opinions and biases and I watched the debate from the POV of an uninitiated, undecided, viewer.
Disagree. They were biased shitbirds asking asinine questions.
I'm sure I could find something to that effect if you so desire.

 
Disagree. They were biased shitbirds asking asinine questions.
Biased? Of course so. Did you expect any less? But asinine questions? Most were pretty reasonable and there were many other questions I'm surprised they DIDN'T ask.

I'm sure I could find something to that effect if you so desire.
Well, that Fox report is the first I've seen to take so strident a view. Maybe they mean pummeled by THEM.
Still, I've now listed 4-5 HUGE topics that Walz brought up that Vance utterly failed to respond to and just let slide or that Vance himself should have brought up. Many big missed opportunities.

I kinda wish I had a pair of Kammy's earrings! I would have been yelling into Vance's ear: "SAY THIS! SAY THIS!"

Also, Trump was supposed to do some other thing with Harris on TV that now Trump is refusing to do so now it will be Harris all by herself. I'm not so sure this is a good move. I hope it doesn't come back to bite him in the ass.
 
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