Am I alone in thinking wikileaks is a GOOD thing?

[theDoctorisIn]

So are you saying if he got hold of classified documents from Germany, France or Britain he wouldn't put them up on Wikileaks?

I think he is also serving a public purpose. He is showing us insights into how our govt works for us. You know that those diplomats work for us, right?

Again with the anti-American BS....seriously, you are sounding like one of those right-wing nuts...

I only know his focus has been the U.S.

His focus has NOT been the US, that's just all that gets any press here. The site was founded to by Chinese dissidents, and they've released millions of secret documents since 2007 that have NOTHING to do with the US.

And I know he has a history of wanting to get into things that he has no business getting into.

I see no public purpose in destroying our ability to communicate with other countries.

and you know i'm not a rightwingnut, so don't make me come out there and hurt you.

I know that you're not a rightwingnut, and we agree on most things, but I'm gonna come down on the other side of this one.

Any "damage" that the release of these documents has done will be insignificant.

 

[Trajan]

Any "damage" that the release of these documents has done will be insignificant.

so thats it eh?

 

[Sheldon]

So are you saying if he got hold of classified documents from Germany, France or Britain he wouldn't put them up on Wikileaks?

I think he is also serving a public purpose. He is showing us insights into how our govt works for us. You know that those diplomats work for us, right?

Again with the anti-American BS....seriously, you are sounding like one of those right-wing nuts...

I only know his focus has been the U.S. And I know he has a history of wanting to get into things that he has no business getting into.

I see no public purpose in destroying our ability to communicate with other countries.

and you know i'm not a rightwingnut, so don't make me come out there and hurt you.

I'm having mixed feelings about these shenanigans. It seems like hyperbole to say that our ability for communication is being destroyed.

The silver lining in this, the possible public value, is that it's an opportunity to apply pressure on our government to take serious measures for improving the security of data. It could be a campaign issue.

A PFC shouldn't have access to this stuff... ever. And I have to believe that a PFC can't, right now, get access to the type of information that could seriously damage our info sharing with allies. If this security is shored up, I don't think any big damage will be done to global information sharing in the future; I'm sure the really juicy stuff is already on lock down.

 

[jillian]

Oh hell go ahead and hurt him, he probably likes it.

nah, i wouldn't do that. he's one of my best friends. we just don't agree on this one. i tend to move right on these issues.

he moves right on others. lol..

but it's all good.

 

[jillian]

So are you saying if he got hold of classified documents from Germany, France or Britain he wouldn't put them up on Wikileaks?

I think he is also serving a public purpose. He is showing us insights into how our govt works for us. You know that those diplomats work for us, right?

Again with the anti-American BS....seriously, you are sounding like one of those right-wing nuts...

I only know his focus has been the U.S. And I know he has a history of wanting to get into things that he has no business getting into.

I see no public purpose in destroying our ability to communicate with other countries.

and you know i'm not a rightwingnut, so don't make me come out there and hurt you.

I'm having mixed feelings about these shenanigans. It seems like hyperbole to say that our ability for communication is being destroyed.

The silver lining in this, the possible public value, is that it's an opportunity to apply pressure on our government to take serious measures for improving the security of data. It could be a campaign issue.

A PFC shouldn't have access to this stuff... ever. And I have to believe that a PFC can't, right now, get access to the type of information that could seriously damage our info sharing with allies. If this security is shored up, I don't think any big damage will be done to global information sharing in the future; I'm sure the really juicy stuff is already on lock down.

I agree with you on all of that. But I do believe Assange has tried his best to embarrass this country for no good reason. It's not like it suddenly made something better or disclosed a prosecutable offense.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Any "damage" that the release of these documents has done will be insignificant.

so thats it eh?

Pretty much, yeah.

No one will die because of this. No country will stop "trusting" us with information because of this. No country will change any policy according to this.

The end result of this will be some people will be forced to resign, then everyone will forget about it.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I only know his focus has been the U.S. And I know he has a history of wanting to get into things that he has no business getting into.

I see no public purpose in destroying our ability to communicate with other countries.

and you know i'm not a rightwingnut, so don't make me come out there and hurt you.

I'm having mixed feelings about these shenanigans. It seems like hyperbole to say that our ability for communication is being destroyed.

The silver lining in this, the possible public value, is that it's an opportunity to apply pressure on our government to take serious measures for improving the security of data. It could be a campaign issue.

A PFC shouldn't have access to this stuff... ever. And I have to believe that a PFC can't, right now, get access to the type of information that could seriously damage our info sharing with allies. If this security is shored up, I don't think any big damage will be done to global information sharing in the future; I'm sure the really juicy stuff is already on lock down.

I agree with you on all of that. But I do believe Assange has tried his best to embarrass this country for no good reason. It's not like it suddenly made something better or disclosed a prosecutable offense.

I don't agree that Assange has any vendetta against the US, he's been running wikileaks for years releasing hacked Chinese and Southeast Asian documents, long before we'd ever heard of it.

 

[jillian]

I know that you're not a rightwingnut, and we agree on most things, but I'm gonna come down on the other side of this one.

Any "damage" that the release of these documents has done will be insignificant.

i'm not sure about that. you know as well as i do that people in public life are very ego-driven and those egos can be very fragile. grudges get held... those grudges could cause a lot of damage... not to mention, who is really going to want to tell us anything if they can't trust us?

 

[Sheldon]

I only know his focus has been the U.S. And I know he has a history of wanting to get into things that he has no business getting into.

I see no public purpose in destroying our ability to communicate with other countries.

and you know i'm not a rightwingnut, so don't make me come out there and hurt you.

I'm having mixed feelings about these shenanigans. It seems like hyperbole to say that our ability for communication is being destroyed.

The silver lining in this, the possible public value, is that it's an opportunity to apply pressure on our government to take serious measures for improving the security of data. It could be a campaign issue.

A PFC shouldn't have access to this stuff... ever. And I have to believe that a PFC can't, right now, get access to the type of information that could seriously damage our info sharing with allies. If this security is shored up, I don't think any big damage will be done to global information sharing in the future; I'm sure the really juicy stuff is already on lock down.

I agree with you on all of that. But I do believe Assange has tried his best to embarrass this country for no good reason. It's not like it suddenly made something better or disclosed a prosecutable offense.

It's possible he did it just to embarrass this country. I can't guess to his motives... or the PFC's who puts this stuff on a Lady Gaga CD, or whatever he did.

My guess is he's an unknowning operative of the Illuminati that's funded by George Soros. And I'm sure you, as a rightwingnutter, agree with this assessment.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I know that you're not a rightwingnut, and we agree on most things, but I'm gonna come down on the other side of this one.

Any "damage" that the release of these documents has done will be insignificant.

i'm not sure about that. you know as well as i do that people in public life are very ego-driven and those egos can be very fragile. grudges get held... those grudges could cause a lot of damage... not to mention, who is really going to want to tell us anything if they can't trust us?

I don't think that any other governments were "surprised" by anything they found out from the leaks. Do you doubt that every other country is doing similar things to us?

But the main reason why other governments and sources won't stop giving us intel is that THEY STILL WANT INTEL FROM US.

We've got the best Intelligence in the world, aside from possibly the Mossad, and the KGB. The EU isn't going to stop sharing information with us, because then we'll stop sharing information with them.

 

[Trajan]

Any "damage" that the release of these documents has done will be insignificant.

so thats it eh?

Pretty much, yeah.

No one will die because of this. No country will stop "trusting" us with information because of this. No country will change any policy according to this.

The end result of this will be some people will be forced to resign, then everyone will forget about it.

No one will die because of this.

mentioning this is, well, cheap, you nor I will only know if it happens and then maybe.



I provided an adequate example that I think has some value....it has the unfortunate progeny of fact. But you have nothing to worry about.

No country will stop "trusting" us with information because of this. No country will change any policy according to this.

then they are dumber then we are for letting this happen.
And couching this in terms of absolutes is misleading. By degree, I am sure they will.

The end result of this will be some people will be forced to resign, then everyone will forget about it.

you and I may forget about the why, but the effect, will have taken hold by then.

 

[California Girl]

So are you saying if he got hold of classified documents from Germany, France or Britain he wouldn't put them up on Wikileaks?

I think he is also serving a public purpose. He is showing us insights into how our govt works for us. You know that those diplomats work for us, right?

Again with the anti-American BS....seriously, you are sounding like one of those right-wing nuts...

I only know his focus has been the U.S.

His focus has NOT been the US, that's just all that gets any press here. The site was founded to by Chinese dissidents, and they've released millions of secret documents since 2007 that have NOTHING to do with the US.

And I know he has a history of wanting to get into things that he has no business getting into.

I see no public purpose in destroying our ability to communicate with other countries.

and you know i'm not a rightwingnut, so don't make me come out there and hurt you.

I know that you're not a rightwingnut, and we agree on most things, but I'm gonna come down on the other side of this one.

Any "damage" that the release of these documents has done will be insignificant.

The damage is already immense. Other governments - and, more importantly, their security agencies are already now hesitant about sharing information with us. That information could help us stop terrorist attacks. That might be insignificant to you. Most intelligent Americans will disagree.

You need to stop looking at what has been released and look at the actual leaking itself. The information is embarrassing, nothing more. The real damage is that a member of our Military stole information and leaked it. That is why he needs to be dealt with very severely.... to ensure that no one else does something this treasonous to their fellow Americans. And that may give confidence to other countries to share information with us.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I only know his focus has been the U.S.

His focus has NOT been the US, that's just all that gets any press here. The site was founded to by Chinese dissidents, and they've released millions of secret documents since 2007 that have NOTHING to do with the US.

And I know he has a history of wanting to get into things that he has no business getting into.

I see no public purpose in destroying our ability to communicate with other countries.

and you know i'm not a rightwingnut, so don't make me come out there and hurt you.

I know that you're not a rightwingnut, and we agree on most things, but I'm gonna come down on the other side of this one.

Any "damage" that the release of these documents has done will be insignificant.

The damage is already immense. Other governments - and, more importantly, their security agencies are already now hesitant about sharing information with us. That information could help us stop terrorist attacks. That might be insignificant to you. Most intelligent Americans will disagree.

I've seen you claim that before, but I don't agree. And you haven't actually backed it up with anything.

You need to stop looking at what has been released and look at the actual leaking itself. The information is embarrassing, nothing more. The real damage is that a member of our Military stole information and leaked it. That is why he needs to be dealt with very severely.... to ensure that no one else does something this treasonous to their fellow Americans. And that may give confidence to other countries to share information with us.

No, I understand your argument. I do.

I just don't agree.

 

[MikeK]

do you really need a psychoanalyst to understand the mentality of someone who thinks he is entitled to access things that don't belong to him?

If I had the technical ability to break into a diplomat database and have a look around I would do it, and so would most others -- no doubt including you. Whether or not I would do what Assange has done depends on what I find.

I would not post any information which could jeopardize national security or put innocent lives at risk, but based on what I've seen and heard thus far, neither did Assange. Most if not all of the communications posted are at most embarrassing to a bunch of supercilious pricks who think of themselves as some kind of ultra-privileged nobility.

I believe the issue has thus far been blown out of proportion as facilitated by emphatic use of the word, CLASSIFIED, which sends all the little authoritarian jerkoffs into a pseudo-patriotic frenzy without ever posing the critical question, "classified" as what? Secret? Why? Top Secret? Why? Because the subjects of the communications live in a world apart from we commoners? What is so CLASSIFIED? And why?

 

[SFC Ollie]

So are you saying if he got hold of classified documents from Germany, France or Britain he wouldn't put them up on Wikileaks?

I think he is also serving a public purpose. He is showing us insights into how our govt works for us. You know that those diplomats work for us, right?

Again with the anti-American BS....seriously, you are sounding like one of those right-wing nuts...

I only know his focus has been the U.S. And I know he has a history of wanting to get into things that he has no business getting into.

I see no public purpose in destroying our ability to communicate with other countries.

and you know i'm not a rightwingnut, so don't make me come out there and hurt you.

I'm having mixed feelings about these shenanigans. It seems like hyperbole to say that our ability for communication is being destroyed.

The silver lining in this, the possible public value, is that it's an opportunity to apply pressure on our government to take serious measures for improving the security of data. It could be a campaign issue.

A PFC shouldn't have access to this stuff... ever. And I have to believe that a PFC can't, right now, get access to the type of information that could seriously damage our info sharing with allies. If this security is shored up, I don't think any big damage will be done to global information sharing in the future; I'm sure the really juicy stuff is already on lock down.

I held a Secret Security clearance as a PFC and had a TS as a Specialist 4.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Any "damage" that the release of these documents has done will be insignificant.

so thats it eh?

Pretty much, yeah.

No one will die because of this. No country will stop "trusting" us with information because of this. No country will change any policy according to this.

The end result of this will be some people will be forced to resign, then everyone will forget about it.

And you know all this how?
I believe this will have ramifications that we will never hear about because wikileaks won't be in existence to publish the memos that are flying around the world to embassies in nearly every country out there.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

so thats it eh?

Pretty much, yeah.

No one will die because of this. No country will stop "trusting" us with information because of this. No country will change any policy according to this.

The end result of this will be some people will be forced to resign, then everyone will forget about it.

And you know all this how?

My opinion.

I believe this will have ramifications that we will never hear about because wikileaks won't be in existence to publish the memos that are flying around the world to embassies in nearly every country out there.

What ramifications do you think will come of this?

 

[Sallow]

Did I hear correctly that Assange is now wanted for rape?

Read up on it, its a really bizarre charge. He's faced it before, and its just...strange.

Not when you consider nearly the exact same thing happened to Scott Ritter..

 

[SFC Ollie]

Pretty much, yeah.

No one will die because of this. No country will stop "trusting" us with information because of this. No country will change any policy according to this.

The end result of this will be some people will be forced to resign, then everyone will forget about it.

And you know all this how?

My opinion.

I believe this will have ramifications that we will never hear about because wikileaks won't be in existence to publish the memos that are flying around the world to embassies in nearly every country out there.

What ramifications do you think will come of this?

You've already heard and denied all the countless possibilities. You sound like a truther in here.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

And you know all this how?

My opinion.

I believe this will have ramifications that we will never hear about because wikileaks won't be in existence to publish the memos that are flying around the world to embassies in nearly every country out there.

What ramifications do you think will come of this?

You've already heard and denied all the countless possibilities. You sound like a truther in here.

I'm curious as to what YOU think will happen because of this. I've heard what everyone else has said, that's true. Are you saying that your argument is the same as Cali Girl's? Or Jillian's?

BTW, you should check a dictionary for the difference between "denied" and "disagreed".