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RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
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BLUF: And just where are these Laws posted? Prior to 1988, there was no Arab Palestinian Government to enact laws. Wasn't it all Jordanian Law?

Occupations are supposed to follow local laws not make up their own.
(COMMENT)

Again, the Arab Palestinians, know very well that throwing rocks at the police will get you arrested. The same goes for land management issues, not involving criminal activity or enterprise.

Where are these local laws?

There is a relationship between the Israeli Civil Authority and the Arab Palestinians. Granted, it is not the most successful relationships and neither of the two are going to get an award. It is not entirely the fault of the Israelis.
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RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Now you are just playing dumb.

It didn't say anything about construction or permits.
(COMMENT)

An International Treaty (Oslo I and Oslo II) does not get into the weeds. It does not set or establish municipal code, except in special circumstances.

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Occupations are supposed to follow local laws not make up their own.
You haven’t made a case for any occupation of sovereign Arab-Moslem territory.

Link?
 
RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: And just where are these Laws posted? Prior to 1988, there was no Arab Palestinian Government to enact laws. Wasn't it all Jordanian Law?

Occupations are supposed to follow local laws not make up their own.
(COMMENT)

Again, the Arab Palestinians, know very well that throwing rocks at the police will get you arrested. The same goes for land management issues, not involving criminal activity or enterprise.

Where are these local laws?

There is a relationship between the Israeli Civil Authority and the Arab Palestinians. Granted, it is not the most successful relationships and neither of the two are going to get an award. It is not entirely the fault of the Israelis.
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Most Respectfully,
R
Interesting questions. From my understanding of the rules of state succession, the successor state inherits the laws of the previous sovereign. The already existing laws stay in force until they are changed by the new sovereign. Since occupations do not acquire sovereignty they have no authority to change these laws.

Now, can an occupation create its own laws and impose them on the people at the point of a gun?
 
RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: And just where are these Laws posted? Prior to 1988, there was no Arab Palestinian Government to enact laws. Wasn't it all Jordanian Law?

Occupations are supposed to follow local laws not make up their own.
(COMMENT)

Again, the Arab Palestinians, know very well that throwing rocks at the police will get you arrested. The same goes for land management issues, not involving criminal activity or enterprise.

Where are these local laws?

There is a relationship between the Israeli Civil Authority and the Arab Palestinians. Granted, it is not the most successful relationships and neither of the two are going to get an award. It is not entirely the fault of the Israelis.
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Most Respectfully,
R
Interesting questions. From my understanding of the rules of state succession, the successor state inherits the laws of the previous sovereign. The already existing laws stay in force until they are changed by the new sovereign. Since occupations do not acquire sovereignty they have no authority to change these laws.

Now, can an occupation create its own laws and impose them on the people at the point of a gun?

Where is this “occupation” you complain exists but can’t identify?

Something other than slogans would be helpful.
 
RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I think this is a misinterpretation of the Customary Law.

Don't confuse the Rule of Succession in regards to the territorial population and their citizenship. By default
(unless otherwise handled agreement) becomes that of the new government. But that is all about the people - the legal purpose is to ensure that there are no stateless persons.
Page 577 • Parry & Grant Encyclopaedic Dictionary of International Law said:
When a succession of states has occurred, the extent to which the rights and duties of the predecessor devolve on the successor is uncertain and controversial’: I Oppenheim 208 and 209. Such changes may take place in a number of ways, whether by cession, annexation, formation of a union or federation, or attainment of independence, the common factor being that one sovereign substitutes itself for another in relation to a given piece of territory. State succession has effects on rights and obligations in three broad areas: treaties, private rights, and matters of public administration. For an historical survey, see Verzijl, International Law in Historical Perspective ( 1974 ), Vol. 8.

Interesting questions. From my understanding of the rules of state succession, the successor state inherits the laws of the previous sovereign. The already existing laws stay in force until they are changed by the new sovereign. Since occupations do not acquire sovereignty they have no authority to change these laws.
(COMMENT)

In the case of the Gaza Strip (2005), on the unilateral withdrawal by the Israelis, the Government void was filled by the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), and their new Rules of Law prevail.

In the case of the West Bank, what the Jordanians call the
Disengagement from the West Bank, on "31 July King Hussein announced the severance of all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank." What was the "Unification of the Two Banks" (11 April 1950) is now dissolved?

On 1 August 1988, by default, there being no other government in place other than the Israeli Civil and Military organizations, Israel assumed governmental control.

Now, can an occupation create its own laws and impose them on the people at the point of a gun?
(COMMENT)

IF it were a straightforward territorial occupation with no asymmetric complications, THEN the answer would be "NO."
Hague Regulations of 1907 said:
Article 48: If in the territory occupied, the occupant collects the taxes, dues, and tolls imposed for the benefit of the State, he shall do so, as far as is possible, in accordance with the rules of assessment and incidence in force, and shall, in consequence, be bound to defray the expenses of the administration of the occupied territory to the same extent as the legitimate Government was so bound.


"For his part, the military commander in charge of an occupied territory does not act in a vacuum. The Supreme Court of Israel has repeatedly propounded – e.g., in the Beth El case – that the military commander is not his own master: he reports to higher echelons in the military hierarchy and he is executing the policy of the Government of the Occupying Power."
See: The International Law of Belligerent Occupation • page 55

Nearly all governments, in one respect or another, have enforcement arms. The "Point of a Gun" phrasing, is the over dramatization of Drama Queen speaking the obvious. Even quite locales like that of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg or Principality of Monaco have military and police forces that enforce laws (at the point of a gun).



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Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I think this is a misinterpretation of the Customary Law.

Don't confuse the Rule of Succession in regards to the territorial population and their citizenship. By default
(unless otherwise handled agreement) becomes that of the new government. But that is all about the people - the legal purpose is to ensure that there are no stateless persons.
Page 577 • Parry & Grant Encyclopaedic Dictionary of International Law said:
When a succession of states has occurred, the extent to which the rights and duties of the predecessor devolve on the successor is uncertain and controversial’: I Oppenheim 208 and 209. Such changes may take place in a number of ways, whether by cession, annexation, formation of a union or federation, or attainment of independence, the common factor being that one sovereign substitutes itself for another in relation to a given piece of territory. State succession has effects on rights and obligations in three broad areas: treaties, private rights, and matters of public administration. For an historical survey, see Verzijl, International Law in Historical Perspective ( 1974 ), Vol. 8.​

Interesting questions. From my understanding of the rules of state succession, the successor state inherits the laws of the previous sovereign. The already existing laws stay in force until they are changed by the new sovereign. Since occupations do not acquire sovereignty they have no authority to change these laws.
(COMMENT)

In the case of the Gaza Strip (2005), on the unilateral withdrawal by the Israelis, the Government void was filled by the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), and their new Rules of Law prevail.

In the case of the West Bank, what the Jordanians call the
Disengagement from the West Bank, on "31 July King Hussein announced the severance of all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank." What was the "Unification of the Two Banks" (11 April 1950) is now dissolved?

On 1 August 1988, by default, there being no other government in place other than the Israeli Civil and Military organizations, Israel assumed governmental control.

Now, can an occupation create its own laws and impose them on the people at the point of a gun?
(COMMENT)


IF it were a straightforward territorial occupation with no asymmetric complications, THEN the answer would be "NO."
Hague Regulations of 1907 said:
Article 48: If in the territory occupied, the occupant collects the taxes, dues, and tolls imposed for the benefit of the State, he shall do so, as far as is possible, in accordance with the rules of assessment and incidence in force, and shall, in consequence, be bound to defray the expenses of the administration of the occupied territory to the same extent as the legitimate Government was so bound.


"For his part, the military commander in charge of an occupied territory does not act in a vacuum. The Supreme Court of Israel has repeatedly propounded – e.g., in the Beth El case – that the military commander is not his own master: he reports to higher echelons in the military hierarchy and he is executing the policy of the Government of the Occupying Power."
See: The International Law of Belligerent Occupation • page 55

Nearly all governments, in one respect or another, have enforcement arms. The "Point of a Gun" phrasing, is the over dramatization of Drama Queen speaking the obvious. Even quite locales like that of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg or Principality of Monaco have military and police forces that enforce laws (at the point of a gun).



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Most Respectfully,
R
You are missing (or avoiding) the point of my post.
 
RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I think this is a misinterpretation of the Customary Law.

Don't confuse the Rule of Succession in regards to the territorial population and their citizenship. By default
(unless otherwise handled agreement) becomes that of the new government. But that is all about the people - the legal purpose is to ensure that there are no stateless persons.
Page 577 • Parry & Grant Encyclopaedic Dictionary of International Law said:
When a succession of states has occurred, the extent to which the rights and duties of the predecessor devolve on the successor is uncertain and controversial’: I Oppenheim 208 and 209. Such changes may take place in a number of ways, whether by cession, annexation, formation of a union or federation, or attainment of independence, the common factor being that one sovereign substitutes itself for another in relation to a given piece of territory. State succession has effects on rights and obligations in three broad areas: treaties, private rights, and matters of public administration. For an historical survey, see Verzijl, International Law in Historical Perspective ( 1974 ), Vol. 8.​

Interesting questions. From my understanding of the rules of state succession, the successor state inherits the laws of the previous sovereign. The already existing laws stay in force until they are changed by the new sovereign. Since occupations do not acquire sovereignty they have no authority to change these laws.
(COMMENT)

In the case of the Gaza Strip (2005), on the unilateral withdrawal by the Israelis, the Government void was filled by the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), and their new Rules of Law prevail.

In the case of the West Bank, what the Jordanians call the
Disengagement from the West Bank, on "31 July King Hussein announced the severance of all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank." What was the "Unification of the Two Banks" (11 April 1950) is now dissolved?

On 1 August 1988, by default, there being no other government in place other than the Israeli Civil and Military organizations, Israel assumed governmental control.

Now, can an occupation create its own laws and impose them on the people at the point of a gun?
(COMMENT)


IF it were a straightforward territorial occupation with no asymmetric complications, THEN the answer would be "NO."
Hague Regulations of 1907 said:
Article 48: If in the territory occupied, the occupant collects the taxes, dues, and tolls imposed for the benefit of the State, he shall do so, as far as is possible, in accordance with the rules of assessment and incidence in force, and shall, in consequence, be bound to defray the expenses of the administration of the occupied territory to the same extent as the legitimate Government was so bound.


"For his part, the military commander in charge of an occupied territory does not act in a vacuum. The Supreme Court of Israel has repeatedly propounded – e.g., in the Beth El case – that the military commander is not his own master: he reports to higher echelons in the military hierarchy and he is executing the policy of the Government of the Occupying Power."
See: The International Law of Belligerent Occupation • page 55

Nearly all governments, in one respect or another, have enforcement arms. The "Point of a Gun" phrasing, is the over dramatization of Drama Queen speaking the obvious. Even quite locales like that of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg or Principality of Monaco have military and police forces that enforce laws (at the point of a gun).



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Most Respectfully,
R
You are missing (or avoiding) the point of my post.

Your usual cut and paste slogan.
 
RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,


You often ask these complex questions. You seem to think that there is one simple answer, where one rule fits all. Well, the world simply doesn't work that way.

BLUF:

◈ IF you are asking whether or not Israel can create laws within the areas covered by full Israeli civil and security control, THEN the Answer is: YES​
◈ IF you are asking whether or not Israel can create laws within the areas covered joint Israeli-Palestinian security control, THEN the Answer is: SOMETIMES​
◈ IF you are asking whether or not Israel can create laws within the areas covered by full Palestinian civil and security control, THEN the Answer is: NO​
◈ IF you are asking whether or not Israel can create laws within the areas under emergency situations or developing critical situations - in which a military necessity or civil exigent circumstance has developed, THEN the Answer is: YES​

You are missing (or avoiding) the point of my post.
Now, can an occupation create its own laws and impose them on the people at the point of a gun?
IF it were a straightforward territorial occupation with no asymmetric complications, THEN the answer would be "NO."
(COMMENT)

BUT in the case of the West Bank, no state succession has taken place. So, relative to the West Bank, your question hypothetical.

Without prejudice to the Arab Palestinian self-determination in the establishment of an effective government over which sovereign territorial authority is created (right now, an argument can be made that sovereign control can only exist in Area "A") the international boundary between Jordan and Israel is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate (the Jordan River). That would encapsulate the entirety of the West Bank.

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Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: And just where are these Laws posted? Prior to 1988, there was no Arab Palestinian Government to enact laws. Wasn't it all Jordanian Law?

Occupations are supposed to follow local laws not make up their own.
(COMMENT)

Again, the Arab Palestinians, know very well that throwing rocks at the police will get you arrested. The same goes for land management issues, not involving criminal activity or enterprise.

Where are these local laws?

There is a relationship between the Israeli Civil Authority and the Arab Palestinians. Granted, it is not the most successful relationships and neither of the two are going to get an award. It is not entirely the fault of the Israelis.
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Most Respectfully,
R
Interesting questions. From my understanding of the rules of state succession, the successor state inherits the laws of the previous sovereign. The already existing laws stay in force until they are changed by the new sovereign. Since occupations do not acquire sovereignty they have no authority to change these laws.

Now, can an occupation create its own laws and impose them on the people at the point of a gun?

The Palis sure try to create their own occupation laws & impose them on Israel. And each time they lose & too dumb to stop trying.
 
RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,


You often ask these complex questions. You seem to think that there is one simple answer, where one rule fits all. Well, the world simply doesn't work that way.

BLUF:

◈ IF you are asking whether or not Israel can create laws within the areas covered by full Israeli civil and security control, THEN the Answer is: YES​
◈ IF you are asking whether or not Israel can create laws within the areas covered joint Israeli-Palestinian security control, THEN the Answer is: SOMETIMES​
◈ IF you are asking whether or not Israel can create laws within the areas covered by full Palestinian civil and security control, THEN the Answer is: NO​
◈ IF you are asking whether or not Israel can create laws within the areas under emergency situations or developing critical situations - in which a military necessity or civil exigent circumstance has developed, THEN the Answer is: YES​

You are missing (or avoiding) the point of my post.
Now, can an occupation create its own laws and impose them on the people at the point of a gun?
IF it were a straightforward territorial occupation with no asymmetric complications, THEN the answer would be "NO."
(COMMENT)

BUT in the case of the West Bank, no state succession has taken place. So, relative to the West Bank, your question hypothetical.

Without prejudice to the Arab Palestinian self-determination in the establishment of an effective government over which sovereign territorial authority is created (right now, an argument can be made that sovereign control can only exist in Area "A") the international boundary between Jordan and Israel is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate (the Jordan River). That would encapsulate the entirety of the West Bank.

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Most Respectfully,
R
Well that is a definite maybe with some fog thrown in on the side. You can say A,B,C, whatever it is all occupied territory.
 
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Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar appeared on his terror group’s official station Al-Aqsa TV recently, slandering Israeli Minister of Defense Naftali Bennett and claiming that Gaza does not need aid from the Jewish state.

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To divert attention from their gross mismanagement, Hamas launched a rocket into Israel, then, for personal political gain, the PA Prime Minister falsely accused the IDF of purposely infecting Palestinian civilians with the coronavirus. All that as Israel transferred millions of shekels, tons of medicines and truckloads of equipment to fight the COVID-19 pandemic.

 
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To no one’s surprise, Arabs-Moslems from the Abbas welfare fraud syndicate are promoting talking heads posing as Islamic “academics” to deny Jewish history to lands with a clear record of Jewish archeological history.

I’m never surprised to see how the Arabs-Moslems make themselves the most pompous buffoons.





The Palestinian Authority is continuing with its propaganda mission to deny Jewish links to the land of Israel by placing on television academics who are willing to refute clear archaeological evidence to the contrary.

Palestinian Media Watch has recorded three examples of Palestinian academics appearing on official PA TV in October and November to discuss the archaeological evidence linking Jews to the region. In all three cases, the academics outright denied that there was any evidence at all of Jewish life in Israel before 1948, painting the current Jewish population as occupiers and usurpers.
 
Follow up to the above.

While censorship is always a difficult matter where “the Devil is in the details”, the explicit promotion and glorification of murder / suicide that Arabs-Moslems aim at their children has no expectation of approval.


 
RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,


You often ask these complex questions. You seem to think that there is one simple answer, where one rule fits all. Well, the world simply doesn't work that way.

BLUF:

◈ IF you are asking whether or not Israel can create laws within the areas covered by full Israeli civil and security control, THEN the Answer is: YES​
◈ IF you are asking whether or not Israel can create laws within the areas covered joint Israeli-Palestinian security control, THEN the Answer is: SOMETIMES​
◈ IF you are asking whether or not Israel can create laws within the areas covered by full Palestinian civil and security control, THEN the Answer is: NO​
◈ IF you are asking whether or not Israel can create laws within the areas under emergency situations or developing critical situations - in which a military necessity or civil exigent circumstance has developed, THEN the Answer is: YES​

You are missing (or avoiding) the point of my post.
Now, can an occupation create its own laws and impose them on the people at the point of a gun?
IF it were a straightforward territorial occupation with no asymmetric complications, THEN the answer would be "NO."
(COMMENT)

BUT in the case of the West Bank, no state succession has taken place. So, relative to the West Bank, your question hypothetical.

Without prejudice to the Arab Palestinian self-determination in the establishment of an effective government over which sovereign territorial authority is created (right now, an argument can be made that sovereign control can only exist in Area "A") the international boundary between Jordan and Israel is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate (the Jordan River). That would encapsulate the entirety of the West Bank.

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Most Respectfully,
R
Well that is a definite maybe with some fog thrown in on the side. You can say A,B,C, whatever it is all occupied territory.

I’m afraid you’re just repeating the usual Islamist slogans.

Your slogans are always absent any identification of sovereign Arab-Moslem territory that’s occupied.

Wouldn’t it make sense to support an argument with fact as opposed to cut and paste slogans?
 
When the wannabe Arab-Moslem killers are coming at you with the weapons and ideology of Islamic gee-had, the time for negotiation has passed.




On August 17, 2019, IDF observation posts identified five suspects approaching the security fence in the northern Gaza Strip. At least one of them was armed. IDF forces were rushed to the site. An IDF tank and helicopter shot at the suspects before they could cross the security fence (IDF spokesman, August 17, 2019). The attempted penetration came two days after four rockets were launched at Israel in two separate incidents (August 16 and 17, 2019). The Palestinian ministry of health reported that IDF forces had killed three Palestinians and critically wounded another. The five belonged variously to Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and Fatah. Some of them had participated in the return marches and were Night Harassment Unit operatives in the northern Gaza Strip. Senior figures in Hamas and the other terrorist organizations publicly praised the operatives who were killed and blamed Israel for their deaths. Senior Hamas figure Isma’il Haniyeh paid visits, well-covered by the media, to the families of the dead operatives.

Death notices issued for the Palestinian terrorists killed in the clash (Hamas' Palinfo Twitter account, August 18, 2019).
Death notices issued for the Palestinian terrorists killed in the clash (Hamas' Palinfo Twitter account, August 18, 2019).

Death notices issued for the Palestinian terrorists killed in the clash (Hamas’ Palinfo Twitter account, August 18, 2019).
 
The Islamic terrorists representing Islamic Terrorism Intl. Inc., Abbas franchise, announces it's priorities of payments to killers and social misfits to the detriment of it's public.



Coronavirus and PA financial priorities
Mar 30, 2020

Coronavirus and PA financial priorities | PMW Analysis
  • The amount the PA is paying terrorists this month could buy them 387,143 Coronavirus test kits or 465 ventilators instead
For which leaders is the payment of financial rewards to terrorists more important than supporting the needy or paying teachers?
The answer is, of course, the Palestinian Authority leaders– during the Coronavirus crisis!
Anticipating a fall in income, PA Prime Minister Muhammad Shtayyeh announced that the payment of the March salaries will be staggered, and every day a different group of PA employees will be paid. The order of payment is a clear indication of the PA’s priorities.
Preceded only by the medical and supporting personnel, and the PA Security Forces members, third in line to receive their share of the limited PA budget are the terrorist prisoners and the families of the dead terrorists, the so-called “Martyrs.”

“Since the wheels of production, import, and consumption have stopped, there will be a large drop of more than 50% in the PA’s revenues… The international aid will decrease because the entire world is in crisis, and therefore we will work according to an emergency austerity budget by reducing the expenses as much as possible. However, we will pay the salaries for this month [March] in full and over the course of several days in order to prevent gatherings in front of the banks, and this [will be] in the following manner:
  • On the first day, the salaries of the medical and supporting personnel will be paid.
  • On the second day, to the [PA] Security Forces members.
  • On the third day, to the prisoners and [the families of] the Martyrs.
  • On the fourth day, to welfare cases and the poor.
  • On the fifth day, to the teachers.
  • On the sixth day, to the rest of the [PA] public employees.
  • The last payment, on the seventh day, will be to senior officials, to high level state employees, and to the ministers.”
[WAFA, Official PA news agency, March 29, 2020]
 
Why is the PA lying to its own children?
Feb 15, 2018

Why is the PA lying to its own children? | PMW Analysis


Why is the PA lying to its own children?
Why aren't Palestinian children taught the full truth
about Arab refugees in 1948?
  • Mahmoud Abbas admitted on TV that he and the Arabs of Safed left of their own accord in 1948.
  • But PA TV new children' program:
    "Mahmoud Abbas' family was forced to leave"
By Itamar Marcus
During an interview on official PA TV in 2013, Mahmoud Abbas was asked about his family history and how they became refugees. In his spontaneous answer documented by Palestinian Media Watch, he did not say that Israel expelled the Arabs of Safed, but, just the opposite. He admitted that the Arab residents of Safed left of their own accord "in a disorderly way."

The reason Abbas cites for the Arab unprompted exodus is also significant. He admitted that the Arabs of Hebron and Safad committed massacres (pronunciation in Arabic: Madhbaha) against their Jewish neighbors in 1929. The Arabs of Safed, Abbas explained, "were afraid that the Jews would take revenge for the massacre [of Jews] in 1929."

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However, a children's program recently broadcast on PA TV, taught that "Mahmoud Abbas' family was forced to leave," because the "occupation gangs," the euphemism for the new State of Israel, "ruled" the country and stole "from him, his family, and his friends all of their dreams, their homes, and their lands."
 
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