Aliens

[Challenger]

This thread is proof that antisemitic pigs like Monte will keep repeating the same old lies and garbage over and over and over.

Without any results, of course.

This thread is proof that Islamophobic pigs like Rude-eee will keep repeating the same old lies and garbage over and over and over.

Without any results, of course.

Still waiting for the link to the first recorded case of islamophobia, have you found one yet ? Or are you you just trying to make people think those who speak out against Islamic violence and intolerance have mental issues ?

When did you ever ask for one? I've no objection to anyone speaking out against Islamic violence and intolerance, yet you seem to object to anyone speaking out against Zionist violence and intolerance.

 

[Challenger]

If the Jews are so alien to the region of Palestine, why is the land sprinkled all over with Jewish artifacts? From the Tomb of Abraham in Hebron (where the Arabs conducted a massacre), to the Tomb of Joseph (which the Arabs destroyed), to the Tomb of Rachel (which had to have an ugly fortress built around it to save it). There's Masada (with its ritual bath) and the Ein Gedi caves (where David hid from Saul). The Arabs are trying to destroy any Temple artifacts by dumping them, just as they destroyed the ancient Shalom synagogue in Jericho.

Traditions mainly, and of course there was a Jericho, one of the oldest cities. Before any Hebrews set foot there , there were others, but it was ok for Hebrews to destroy their stuff? There is lots of Christian stuff there , along with Arab, and I will bet more an more items and artifacts will suddenly be produced, saying see Israelites use to be here (faked). So what does it mean?

I'm even sure some day they will find millions of bones said to be truth the exodus happened, also will be faked. The Israelites never really had much control of any land there, for any period of time, they were just a nomad people who encroached on others at the time. Most left and became other people. Even coming back from the exile it took them years to rebuild the temple, as most lost interest in it and it took forever they say. This great empire never was.

And Arabs Pennie and Arabs.......steve

What arabs as they were illiterate wandering caravan thieves. They had no roots

Another example of your intellectual laziness, pathetic.

Pre-Islamic Arabia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Roudy]

If the Jews are so alien to the region of Palestine, why is the land sprinkled all over with Jewish artifacts? From the Tomb of Abraham in Hebron (where the Arabs conducted a massacre), to the Tomb of Joseph (which the Arabs destroyed), to the Tomb of Rachel (which had to have an ugly fortress built around it to save it). There's Masada (with its ritual bath) and the Ein Gedi caves (where David hid from Saul). The Arabs are trying to destroy any Temple artifacts by dumping them, just as they destroyed the ancient Shalom synagogue in Jericho.

Traditions mainly, and of course there was a Jericho, one of the oldest cities. Before any Hebrews set foot there , there were others, but it was ok for Hebrews to destroy their stuff? There is lots of Christian stuff there , along with Arab, and I will bet more an more items and artifacts will suddenly be produced, saying see Israelites use to be here (faked). So what does it mean?

I'm even sure some day they will find millions of bones said to be truth the exodus happened, also will be faked. The Israelites never really had much control of any land there, for any period of time, they were just a nomad people who encroached on others at the time. Most left and became other people. Even coming back from the exile it took them years to rebuild the temple, as most lost interest in it and it took forever they say. This great empire never was.

And Arabs Pennie and Arabs.......steve

What arabs as they were illiterate wandering caravan thieves. They had no roots

Another example of your intellectual laziness, pathetic.

Pre-Islamic Arabia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Tell us what happened to all these different ethnicities in POST ISLAMIC ARABIA:

Nestorian Christianity, Judaism and Zoroastrianism. Nestorian Christianity was the dominant religion in Eastern Arabia prior to the advent of Islam. In the latter stages of the pre-Islamic era, Christianity gained converts with some unorthodox sects, such as the gnostics having a presence.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

If the Jews are so alien to the region of Palestine, why is the land sprinkled all over with Jewish artifacts? From the Tomb of Abraham in Hebron (where the Arabs conducted a massacre), to the Tomb of Joseph (which the Arabs destroyed), to the Tomb of Rachel (which had to have an ugly fortress built around it to save it). There's Masada (with its ritual bath) and the Ein Gedi caves (where David hid from Saul). The Arabs are trying to destroy any Temple artifacts by dumping them, just as they destroyed the ancient Shalom synagogue in Jericho.

Traditions mainly, and of course there was a Jericho, one of the oldest cities. Before any Hebrews set foot there , there were others, but it was ok for Hebrews to destroy their stuff? There is lots of Christian stuff there , along with Arab, and I will bet more an more items and artifacts will suddenly be produced, saying see Israelites use to be here (faked). So what does it mean?

I'm even sure some day they will find millions of bones said to be truth the exodus happened, also will be faked. The Israelites never really had much control of any land there, for any period of time, they were just a nomad people who encroached on others at the time. Most left and became other people. Even coming back from the exile it took them years to rebuild the temple, as most lost interest in it and it took forever they say. This great empire never was.

And Arabs Pennie and Arabs.......steve

What arabs as they were illiterate wandering caravan thieves. They had no roots

Another example of your intellectual laziness, pathetic.

Pre-Islamic Arabia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Tell us what happened to all these different ethnicities in POST ISLAMIC ARABIA:

Nestorian Christianity, Judaism and Zoroastrianism. Nestorian Christianity was the dominant religion in Eastern Arabia prior to the advent of Islam. In the latter stages of the pre-Islamic era, Christianity gained converts with some unorthodox sects, such as the gnostics having a presence.

The Muslims killed all of them.

 

[Challenger]

If the Jews are so alien to the region of Palestine, why is the land sprinkled all over with Jewish artifacts? From the Tomb of Abraham in Hebron (where the Arabs conducted a massacre), to the Tomb of Joseph (which the Arabs destroyed), to the Tomb of Rachel (which had to have an ugly fortress built around it to save it). There's Masada (with its ritual bath) and the Ein Gedi caves (where David hid from Saul). The Arabs are trying to destroy any Temple artifacts by dumping them, just as they destroyed the ancient Shalom synagogue in Jericho.

Traditions mainly, and of course there was a Jericho, one of the oldest cities. Before any Hebrews set foot there , there were others, but it was ok for Hebrews to destroy their stuff? There is lots of Christian stuff there , along with Arab, and I will bet more an more items and artifacts will suddenly be produced, saying see Israelites use to be here (faked). So what does it mean?

I'm even sure some day they will find millions of bones said to be truth the exodus happened, also will be faked. The Israelites never really had much control of any land there, for any period of time, they were just a nomad people who encroached on others at the time. Most left and became other people. Even coming back from the exile it took them years to rebuild the temple, as most lost interest in it and it took forever they say. This great empire never was.

And Arabs Pennie and Arabs.......steve

What arabs as they were illiterate wandering caravan thieves. They had no roots

Another example of your intellectual laziness, pathetic.

Pre-Islamic Arabia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Tell us what happened to all these different ethnicities in POST ISLAMIC ARABIA:

Nestorian Christianity, Judaism and Zoroastrianism. Nestorian Christianity was the dominant religion in Eastern Arabia prior to the advent of Islam. In the latter stages of the pre-Islamic era, Christianity gained converts with some unorthodox sects, such as the gnostics having a presence.

Another one too lazy or to stupid to read and find out for themselves.

Here, read this The Great Arab Conquests How The Spread Of Islam Changed The World We Live In Amazon.co.uk Hugh Kennedy 9780753823897 Books

 

[Challenger]

Traditions mainly, and of course there was a Jericho, one of the oldest cities. Before any Hebrews set foot there , there were others, but it was ok for Hebrews to destroy their stuff? There is lots of Christian stuff there , along with Arab, and I will bet more an more items and artifacts will suddenly be produced, saying see Israelites use to be here (faked). So what does it mean?

I'm even sure some day they will find millions of bones said to be truth the exodus happened, also will be faked. The Israelites never really had much control of any land there, for any period of time, they were just a nomad people who encroached on others at the time. Most left and became other people. Even coming back from the exile it took them years to rebuild the temple, as most lost interest in it and it took forever they say. This great empire never was.

And Arabs Pennie and Arabs.......steve

What arabs as they were illiterate wandering caravan thieves. They had no roots

Another example of your intellectual laziness, pathetic.

Pre-Islamic Arabia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Tell us what happened to all these different ethnicities in POST ISLAMIC ARABIA:

Nestorian Christianity, Judaism and Zoroastrianism. Nestorian Christianity was the dominant religion in Eastern Arabia prior to the advent of Islam. In the latter stages of the pre-Islamic era, Christianity gained converts with some unorthodox sects, such as the gnostics having a presence.

The Muslims killed all of them.

ROFL! And now there are three. Wrong! They taxed them. Most of them found it more convenient to convert and avoid paying taxes.

 

[Phoenall]

Where do you get your information from

Find out yourself you lazy prick

How can I when I don't know any islamonazi/white supremacist sites ?

Liar, you call any site that disagrees with you an "islamonazi/white supremacist site" go look them up.

No you are wrong again rat boy as I call islamonazi and white supremacist sites what they are. An example is electronic intifada which is an islamonazi site

Thanks for proving my point.

So you don't believe that EI is an islamonazi site, is that what you are saying ?

 

[Phoenall]

Traditions mainly, and of course there was a Jericho, one of the oldest cities. Before any Hebrews set foot there , there were others, but it was ok for Hebrews to destroy their stuff? There is lots of Christian stuff there , along with Arab, and I will bet more an more items and artifacts will suddenly be produced, saying see Israelites use to be here (faked). So what does it mean?

I'm even sure some day they will find millions of bones said to be truth the exodus happened, also will be faked. The Israelites never really had much control of any land there, for any period of time, they were just a nomad people who encroached on others at the time. Most left and became other people. Even coming back from the exile it took them years to rebuild the temple, as most lost interest in it and it took forever they say. This great empire never was.

And Arabs Pennie and Arabs.......steve

What arabs as they were illiterate wandering caravan thieves. They had no roots

Another example of your intellectual laziness, pathetic.

Pre-Islamic Arabia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Tell us what happened to all these different ethnicities in POST ISLAMIC ARABIA:

Nestorian Christianity, Judaism and Zoroastrianism. Nestorian Christianity was the dominant religion in Eastern Arabia prior to the advent of Islam. In the latter stages of the pre-Islamic era, Christianity gained converts with some unorthodox sects, such as the gnostics having a presence.

Another one too lazy or to stupid to read and find out for themselves.

Here, read this The Great Arab Conquests How The Spread Of Islam Changed The World We Live In Amazon.co.uk Hugh Kennedy 9780753823897 Books

You are the one using it as a link to prove your point so you post it in full so we can see what it says. Or are you too lazy and stupid to realise you should be giving more than a sales site

 

[Phoenall]

And Arabs Pennie and Arabs.......steve

What arabs as they were illiterate wandering caravan thieves. They had no roots

Another example of your intellectual laziness, pathetic.

Pre-Islamic Arabia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Tell us what happened to all these different ethnicities in POST ISLAMIC ARABIA:

Nestorian Christianity, Judaism and Zoroastrianism. Nestorian Christianity was the dominant religion in Eastern Arabia prior to the advent of Islam. In the latter stages of the pre-Islamic era, Christianity gained converts with some unorthodox sects, such as the gnostics having a presence.

The Muslims killed all of them.

ROFL! And now there are three. Wrong! They taxed them. Most of them found it more convenient to convert and avoid paying taxes.

They still had to pay taxes

 

[Roudy]

Traditions mainly, and of course there was a Jericho, one of the oldest cities. Before any Hebrews set foot there , there were others, but it was ok for Hebrews to destroy their stuff? There is lots of Christian stuff there , along with Arab, and I will bet more an more items and artifacts will suddenly be produced, saying see Israelites use to be here (faked). So what does it mean?

I'm even sure some day they will find millions of bones said to be truth the exodus happened, also will be faked. The Israelites never really had much control of any land there, for any period of time, they were just a nomad people who encroached on others at the time. Most left and became other people. Even coming back from the exile it took them years to rebuild the temple, as most lost interest in it and it took forever they say. This great empire never was.

And Arabs Pennie and Arabs.......steve

What arabs as they were illiterate wandering caravan thieves. They had no roots

Another example of your intellectual laziness, pathetic.

Pre-Islamic Arabia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Tell us what happened to all these different ethnicities in POST ISLAMIC ARABIA:

Nestorian Christianity, Judaism and Zoroastrianism. Nestorian Christianity was the dominant religion in Eastern Arabia prior to the advent of Islam. In the latter stages of the pre-Islamic era, Christianity gained converts with some unorthodox sects, such as the gnostics having a presence.

Another one too lazy or to stupid to read and find out for themselves.

Here, read this The Great Arab Conquests How The Spread Of Islam Changed The World We Live In Amazon.co.uk Hugh Kennedy 9780753823897 Books

Islam spread by violence, the Caliphates were obtained through Jihad, you ignorant fool.

Regensburg lecture - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The Regensburg lecture was delivered on 12 September 2006 by Pope Benedict XVI at the University of Regensburg in Germany, where he had once served as a professor of theology. It was entitled "Faith, Reason and the University — Memories and Reflections" (German: Glaube, Vernunft und Universität — Erinnerungen und Reflexionen). The lecture is considered to be among the most important papal statements on world affairs since John Paul II's 1995 address to the United Nations, and sparked international reactions and controversy.

In his lecture, the Pope, speaking in German, quoted an unfavorable remark about Islammade at the end of the 14th century by Manuel II Palaiologos, the Byzantine emperor.

The controversial comment originally appeared in the 7th of the 26 Dialogues Held With A Certain Persian, the Worthy Mouterizes, in Anakara of Galatia,[4] written in 1391 as an expression of the views of the Byzantine emperor Manuel II Palaiologos, one of the last Christian rulers before the Fall of Constantinople to the Muslim Ottoman Empire, on such issues as forced conversion, holy war, and the relationship between faith and reason. The passage, in the English translation published by the Vatican, was:

"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

 

[member]

If the Jews are so alien to the region of Palestine, why is the land sprinkled all over with Jewish artifacts? From the Tomb of Abraham in Hebron (where the Arabs conducted a massacre), to the Tomb of Joseph (which the Arabs destroyed), to the Tomb of Rachel (which had to have an ugly fortress built around it to save it). There's Masada (with its ritual bath) and the Ein Gedi caves (where David hid from Saul). The Arabs are trying to destroy any Temple artifacts by dumping them, just as they destroyed the ancient Shalom synagogue in Jericho.

In the final analysis, it is pointless to argue the matter of Jewish rights to the land on which modern-day Isreal is built.

Todays' Jews are a genetic mixture of both ancient Hebrew tribal blood and tribal origins in several other regions in Western Asia and Eastern Europe, as well as Africa.

Broadly speaking, each of those groups represents an admixture with original Hebrew tribal blood lines - enough to make them stakeholders at the table.

The DNA connection is certainly worth mentioning, and many of today's Jews have a blood-line connection to the ancient Hebrews.

But, more significantly, it is the Spirit of Judaism, that has returned to its land of origin - genetics be damned.

That Spirit - represented by both true blood-line connections to the ancient Hebrews and by those whose ancestors converted to Judaism hundreds or thousands of years ago - is what has dreamed of The Return for millennia and it is that Spirit that has held them together as communities of belief and culture for countless generations since the Diaspora.

Both the West and the East - both Christianity and Islam - have persecuted and oppressed and suppressed Judaism for many centuries - relegating them to the margins and pushing them out of mainstream life and forcing them into enclaves and forcing them to evolve a culture of separate-ness that is more a survival tactic than anything else.

We have made them the inward-turning People that they are today, over many centuries of bad treatment that we've dished out to them.

And then comes the latest outrage - the West - as represented by Nazi Germany - slaughtering them on an industrial scale to near-extinction within their old transplanted European homes - and, not surprisingly, the survivors finally realized that they had nothing left to lose, and re-discovered their courage, and decided to fight back, in order to survive.

So, when the Great Powers gave them an opening in the old lands of their Hebrew tribal predecessors and genetic and spiritual ancestors, they took advantage of it.

Both the West and the East had a hand in making the Jews what they became - determined settlers and courageous fighters and a resurrected and re-awakened People of the Book - and they now control those old lands - and are likely to, throughout the foreseeable future.

I am told and have heard and have read, that the Jews have employed a maxim for many centuries, in which some of their songs and prayers and dogma and cultural observances have voiced words to the effect of: "Next year in Jerusalem" - meaning, of course, that the Jews have intended to return to that land, since the Romans took it from them.

That series of latter-day Roman wars against the Jews - in the first couple of centuries of the Common Era - was the better part of 2,000 years ago.

Any People who can hold themselves together for 2,000 years, with such maxims as "Next year in Jerusalem" has to be given props for endurance and faithfulness; even if they eventually evolved into a broad and richly diverse and very loosely defined overarching and nominal community of faith and culture and aspirations and livelihood.

When that broad and richly diverse community of The Faithful was nearly extinguished in Europe in the 1930s and 1940s, something snapped in them.

They apparently figured that 2,000 years of persecution and oppression and slaughter was enough.

And they chose Old Palestine (formerly, the Kingdoms of Israel and Judea, and Samaria) to make their stand.

They're not going anywhere... they're there to stay... and God help the fools who try to dislodge them, this time.

They've served-up a new maxim, now that they're back: "Never again".

Never again, will they allow the world - East or West - to persecute them or to slaughter them - and, I, for one, believe them - I think they mean what they say.

In the long run, you simply cannot defeat such a determined people, who have held themselves together for nearly 2,000 years, who have been dreaming of that Return for that same 2,000 years, who suffered the loss of 6,000,000 men, women and children within Living Memory, and who came back from the brink of extinction, to buy-back and take-back their old ancestral and spiritual homeland, against vast and frightful odds, winning time and again, until, now, they control the region - a state of affairs that the world at-large would have found fantastical and impossible to conceive, back in the 1940s.

And because they cannot be defeated or dislodged, and because they insist upon a country of their own, the residuals and leftovers from the collection of previous inhabitants have two basic choices: Join or Leave.

Fighting is not an option - it's been tried - over and over and over and over again - with the same result, each time.

Any Muslim-Arab in the region with an ounce of brains and two coins to rub together should be getting his people out of there. Rotting in refugee camps and refugee towns for 66-67 years is not the mark of all-round intelligence or adaptability or ambition or self-respect - and they need to change that - by packing up, leaving, and starting new lives, elsewhere, amongst their co-religionists, so that their families, too, can have the possibility of a safe and prosperous future, in a place where they're wanted.

And, if that means that the The World - the UN, etc. - has to step-up and assist with that en masse relocation of so-called 'Palestinians', well, so be it.

It's over.

The Jews have won.

The Muslims have lost.

Time to move on.

Very Good Post Kondie,but all is not lost for the Palestinians at all.......the Palestinians are a dispossesed people but they will succeed in their quest for freedom.....you with respect, more than most....should understand this......you can degrade and dismiss,slaughter and maim Palestinians all you want but I would have thought you should show humility and humanity somewhat...considering what happened to Your people throughout History.......really of all the worlds people Palestinians treated Jews with a fair amount of goodwill. Your people have not just pushed the Palestinians to the Margins but dreadfully tried to push them off the page completely........but Palestinians will survive like you survived,they have to because for them not to.......diminishes your own people in the process...this you should give some thought to my friend....it is not a question of Win and Loss because we all Lose,you and I.....steve...again thanks for a thoughtful and in parts enlightening POST

it’s late night !

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Disco…



steve ? on the rocks?








"...the Palestinians are a dispossesed people..."








“…but I would have thought you should show humility and humanity somewhat...”









I think they’re doing a good job, ’restraining themselves.” here's a look back as to how long israel has been trying...



they respond with:


“it is not a question of Win and Loss because we all Lose, you and I..”


them, especially.





I guess to really achieve 'peace' -- bye-bye Joe hamass.
(…and not just them)…




I.J.




Arafats plo



then the offshoot groups.


Evil bizzaro world………


"the Palestinians are a dispossesed people."


more like ‘possessed.”

 

[theliq]

If the Jews are so alien to the region of Palestine, why is the land sprinkled all over with Jewish artifacts? From the Tomb of Abraham in Hebron (where the Arabs conducted a massacre), to the Tomb of Joseph (which the Arabs destroyed), to the Tomb of Rachel (which had to have an ugly fortress built around it to save it). There's Masada (with its ritual bath) and the Ein Gedi caves (where David hid from Saul). The Arabs are trying to destroy any Temple artifacts by dumping them, just as they destroyed the ancient Shalom synagogue in Jericho.

Traditions mainly, and of course there was a Jericho, one of the oldest cities. Before any Hebrews set foot there , there were others, but it was ok for Hebrews to destroy their stuff? There is lots of Christian stuff there , along with Arab, and I will bet more an more items and artifacts will suddenly be produced, saying see Israelites use to be here (faked). So what does it mean?

I'm even sure some day they will find millions of bones said to be truth the exodus happened, also will be faked. The Israelites never really had much control of any land there, for any period of time, they were just a nomad people who encroached on others at the time. Most left and became other people. Even coming back from the exile it took them years to rebuild the temple, as most lost interest in it and it took forever they say. This great empire never was.

Where do you get your information from

Find out yourself you lazy prick

Pnoney is the most Ignorant Lazy Prick

Getting rattled now are we, is that why you are getting all immature and childish

Me get "rattled" I don't think so..I'm a SENTINEL and NEVER TAKE A BACKWARD STEP.....a great friend but I admit a HARD ENEMY as you full well know,but I always have TRUTH and RIGHT on my side........I am theliq.....ever living,ever faithful,ever sure.Viva Palestine,Viva Israel....but say NO to the ZIONIST CULT.

 

[theliq]

If the Jews are so alien to the region of Palestine, why is the land sprinkled all over with Jewish artifacts? From the Tomb of Abraham in Hebron (where the Arabs conducted a massacre), to the Tomb of Joseph (which the Arabs destroyed), to the Tomb of Rachel (which had to have an ugly fortress built around it to save it). There's Masada (with its ritual bath) and the Ein Gedi caves (where David hid from Saul). The Arabs are trying to destroy any Temple artifacts by dumping them, just as they destroyed the ancient Shalom synagogue in Jericho.

Traditions mainly, and of course there was a Jericho, one of the oldest cities. Before any Hebrews set foot there , there were others, but it was ok for Hebrews to destroy their stuff? There is lots of Christian stuff there , along with Arab, and I will bet more an more items and artifacts will suddenly be produced, saying see Israelites use to be here (faked). So what does it mean?

I'm even sure some day they will find millions of bones said to be truth the exodus happened, also will be faked. The Israelites never really had much control of any land there, for any period of time, they were just a nomad people who encroached on others at the time. Most left and became other people. Even coming back from the exile it took them years to rebuild the temple, as most lost interest in it and it took forever they say. This great empire never was.

And Arabs Pennie and Arabs.......steve

What arabs as they were illiterate wandering caravan thieves. They had no roots

You are showing you complete IGNORANCE as usual...........Todays Jews are a bitsas(a bit of this and a bit of that) race,a mongrel race......like the rest of us.......many races make up the Jewish peoples of today.......... are as STUPID AS YOU SEEM.........Arabs you fool originated Universities,the expert use of water,Arithmetic and so on,whilst your ancestors were living in Mud Huts.........even today the Palestinians have one of the highest matriculation rates to study a University....SO MUCH FOR ILLITERATE,WANDERING(THAT IN FACT WAS THE JEWS) and THIEVES=MORE BULLSHIT...........I have met stupid people in my life but you are one of the most IGNORANT.

Yet the majority still have close DNA ties to the Jews who died in Israel 4,000 years ago.

You are the fool as arabs STOLE all those, and then claimed them as their own

Yet they cant get Jobs for all their qualifications can they, I met one last year who has a PHD in civil engineering and was not qualified to practise outside of Palestine. So he had to find a university to take him on and allow him to do the course all over again.

Even the Koran and hadiths detail the caravan raids and other thefts by the arabs under mohammed.


You just cant handle the truth about the arab muslims and their thieving, murdering, raping ways

YAWN

 

[theliq]

If the Jews are so alien to the region of Palestine, why is the land sprinkled all over with Jewish artifacts? From the Tomb of Abraham in Hebron (where the Arabs conducted a massacre), to the Tomb of Joseph (which the Arabs destroyed), to the Tomb of Rachel (which had to have an ugly fortress built around it to save it). There's Masada (with its ritual bath) and the Ein Gedi caves (where David hid from Saul). The Arabs are trying to destroy any Temple artifacts by dumping them, just as they destroyed the ancient Shalom synagogue in Jericho.

In the final analysis, it is pointless to argue the matter of Jewish rights to the land on which modern-day Isreal is built.

Todays' Jews are a genetic mixture of both ancient Hebrew tribal blood and tribal origins in several other regions in Western Asia and Eastern Europe, as well as Africa.

Broadly speaking, each of those groups represents an admixture with original Hebrew tribal blood lines - enough to make them stakeholders at the table.

The DNA connection is certainly worth mentioning, and many of today's Jews have a blood-line connection to the ancient Hebrews.

But, more significantly, it is the Spirit of Judaism, that has returned to its land of origin - genetics be damned.

That Spirit - represented by both true blood-line connections to the ancient Hebrews and by those whose ancestors converted to Judaism hundreds or thousands of years ago - is what has dreamed of The Return for millennia and it is that Spirit that has held them together as communities of belief and culture for countless generations since the Diaspora.

Both the West and the East - both Christianity and Islam - have persecuted and oppressed and suppressed Judaism for many centuries - relegating them to the margins and pushing them out of mainstream life and forcing them into enclaves and forcing them to evolve a culture of separate-ness that is more a survival tactic than anything else.

We have made them the inward-turning People that they are today, over many centuries of bad treatment that we've dished out to them.

And then comes the latest outrage - the West - as represented by Nazi Germany - slaughtering them on an industrial scale to near-extinction within their old transplanted European homes - and, not surprisingly, the survivors finally realized that they had nothing left to lose, and re-discovered their courage, and decided to fight back, in order to survive.

So, when the Great Powers gave them an opening in the old lands of their Hebrew tribal predecessors and genetic and spiritual ancestors, they took advantage of it.

Both the West and the East had a hand in making the Jews what they became - determined settlers and courageous fighters and a resurrected and re-awakened People of the Book - and they now control those old lands - and are likely to, throughout the foreseeable future.

I am told and have heard and have read, that the Jews have employed a maxim for many centuries, in which some of their songs and prayers and dogma and cultural observances have voiced words to the effect of: "Next year in Jerusalem" - meaning, of course, that the Jews have intended to return to that land, since the Romans took it from them.

That series of latter-day Roman wars against the Jews - in the first couple of centuries of the Common Era - was the better part of 2,000 years ago.

Any People who can hold themselves together for 2,000 years, with such maxims as "Next year in Jerusalem" has to be given props for endurance and faithfulness; even if they eventually evolved into a broad and richly diverse and very loosely defined overarching and nominal community of faith and culture and aspirations and livelihood.

When that broad and richly diverse community of The Faithful was nearly extinguished in Europe in the 1930s and 1940s, something snapped in them.

They apparently figured that 2,000 years of persecution and oppression and slaughter was enough.

And they chose Old Palestine (formerly, the Kingdoms of Israel and Judea, and Samaria) to make their stand.

They're not going anywhere... they're there to stay... and God help the fools who try to dislodge them, this time.

They've served-up a new maxim, now that they're back: "Never again".

Never again, will they allow the world - East or West - to persecute them or to slaughter them - and, I, for one, believe them - I think they mean what they say.

In the long run, you simply cannot defeat such a determined people, who have held themselves together for nearly 2,000 years, who have been dreaming of that Return for that same 2,000 years, who suffered the loss of 6,000,000 men, women and children within Living Memory, and who came back from the brink of extinction, to buy-back and take-back their old ancestral and spiritual homeland, against vast and frightful odds, winning time and again, until, now, they control the region - a state of affairs that the world at-large would have found fantastical and impossible to conceive, back in the 1940s.

And because they cannot be defeated or dislodged, and because they insist upon a country of their own, the residuals and leftovers from the collection of previous inhabitants have two basic choices: Join or Leave.

Fighting is not an option - it's been tried - over and over and over and over again - with the same result, each time.

Any Muslim-Arab in the region with an ounce of brains and two coins to rub together should be getting his people out of there. Rotting in refugee camps and refugee towns for 66-67 years is not the mark of all-round intelligence or adaptability or ambition or self-respect - and they need to change that - by packing up, leaving, and starting new lives, elsewhere, amongst their co-religionists, so that their families, too, can have the possibility of a safe and prosperous future, in a place where they're wanted.

And, if that means that the The World - the UN, etc. - has to step-up and assist with that en masse relocation of so-called 'Palestinians', well, so be it.

It's over.

The Jews have won.

The Muslims have lost.

Time to move on.

Very Good Post Kondie,but all is not lost for the Palestinians at all.......the Palestinians are a dispossesed people but they will succeed in their quest for freedom.....you with respect, more than most....should understand this......you can degrade and dismiss,slaughter and maim Palestinians all you want but I would have thought you should show humility and humanity somewhat...considering what happened to Your people throughout History.......really of all the worlds people Palestinians treated Jews with a fair amount of goodwill. Your people have not just pushed the Palestinians to the Margins but dreadfully tried to push them off the page completely........but Palestinians will survive like you survived,they have to because for them not to.......diminishes your own people in the process...this you should give some thought to my friend....it is not a question of Win and Loss because we all Lose,you and I.....steve...again thanks for a thoughtful and in parts enlightening POST

Noted, and my thanks for the respectful aspect(s) of the response. Just to be clear - I am not Jewish - but a 4th-generation Irish-German American and a lapsed Catholic.

We obviously disagree with regard to Winners and Losers and future prospects.

Hi Kondie,once the Irish were Losers but regained their Superior position in the worlds peoples,Germans too,to a degree,Jews definetley....and despite your Negativity the Palestinians will be Winners(well they already are).
You are a very Good man,for the life of me I cannot understand your Anti-Semitism against the Palestinians,how do you justify One people to try to Eliminate another,just to claim/steal their LAND....your Logic to me is way off...but as I said before,you are really interesting and sensible 95% of the time..steve.........ps I don't say these things lightly...but with respect.

 

[theliq]

If the Jews are so alien to the region of Palestine, why is the land sprinkled all over with Jewish artifacts? From the Tomb of Abraham in Hebron (where the Arabs conducted a massacre), to the Tomb of Joseph (which the Arabs destroyed), to the Tomb of Rachel (which had to have an ugly fortress built around it to save it). There's Masada (with its ritual bath) and the Ein Gedi caves (where David hid from Saul). The Arabs are trying to destroy any Temple artifacts by dumping them, just as they destroyed the ancient Shalom synagogue in Jericho.

In the final analysis, it is pointless to argue the matter of Jewish rights to the land on which modern-day Isreal is built.

Todays' Jews are a genetic mixture of both ancient Hebrew tribal blood and tribal origins in several other regions in Western Asia and Eastern Europe, as well as Africa.

Broadly speaking, each of those groups represents an admixture with original Hebrew tribal blood lines - enough to make them stakeholders at the table.

The DNA connection is certainly worth mentioning, and many of today's Jews have a blood-line connection to the ancient Hebrews.

But, more significantly, it is the Spirit of Judaism, that has returned to its land of origin - genetics be damned.

That Spirit - represented by both true blood-line connections to the ancient Hebrews and by those whose ancestors converted to Judaism hundreds or thousands of years ago - is what has dreamed of The Return for millennia and it is that Spirit that has held them together as communities of belief and culture for countless generations since the Diaspora.

Both the West and the East - both Christianity and Islam - have persecuted and oppressed and suppressed Judaism for many centuries - relegating them to the margins and pushing them out of mainstream life and forcing them into enclaves and forcing them to evolve a culture of separate-ness that is more a survival tactic than anything else.

We have made them the inward-turning People that they are today, over many centuries of bad treatment that we've dished out to them.

And then comes the latest outrage - the West - as represented by Nazi Germany - slaughtering them on an industrial scale to near-extinction within their old transplanted European homes - and, not surprisingly, the survivors finally realized that they had nothing left to lose, and re-discovered their courage, and decided to fight back, in order to survive.

So, when the Great Powers gave them an opening in the old lands of their Hebrew tribal predecessors and genetic and spiritual ancestors, they took advantage of it.

Both the West and the East had a hand in making the Jews what they became - determined settlers and courageous fighters and a resurrected and re-awakened People of the Book - and they now control those old lands - and are likely to, throughout the foreseeable future.

I am told and have heard and have read, that the Jews have employed a maxim for many centuries, in which some of their songs and prayers and dogma and cultural observances have voiced words to the effect of: "Next year in Jerusalem" - meaning, of course, that the Jews have intended to return to that land, since the Romans took it from them.

That series of latter-day Roman wars against the Jews - in the first couple of centuries of the Common Era - was the better part of 2,000 years ago.

Any People who can hold themselves together for 2,000 years, with such maxims as "Next year in Jerusalem" has to be given props for endurance and faithfulness; even if they eventually evolved into a broad and richly diverse and very loosely defined overarching and nominal community of faith and culture and aspirations and livelihood.

When that broad and richly diverse community of The Faithful was nearly extinguished in Europe in the 1930s and 1940s, something snapped in them.

They apparently figured that 2,000 years of persecution and oppression and slaughter was enough.

And they chose Old Palestine (formerly, the Kingdoms of Israel and Judea, and Samaria) to make their stand.

They're not going anywhere... they're there to stay... and God help the fools who try to dislodge them, this time.

They've served-up a new maxim, now that they're back: "Never again".

Never again, will they allow the world - East or West - to persecute them or to slaughter them - and, I, for one, believe them - I think they mean what they say.

In the long run, you simply cannot defeat such a determined people, who have held themselves together for nearly 2,000 years, who have been dreaming of that Return for that same 2,000 years, who suffered the loss of 6,000,000 men, women and children within Living Memory, and who came back from the brink of extinction, to buy-back and take-back their old ancestral and spiritual homeland, against vast and frightful odds, winning time and again, until, now, they control the region - a state of affairs that the world at-large would have found fantastical and impossible to conceive, back in the 1940s.

And because they cannot be defeated or dislodged, and because they insist upon a country of their own, the residuals and leftovers from the collection of previous inhabitants have two basic choices: Join or Leave.

Fighting is not an option - it's been tried - over and over and over and over again - with the same result, each time.

Any Muslim-Arab in the region with an ounce of brains and two coins to rub together should be getting his people out of there. Rotting in refugee camps and refugee towns for 66-67 years is not the mark of all-round intelligence or adaptability or ambition or self-respect - and they need to change that - by packing up, leaving, and starting new lives, elsewhere, amongst their co-religionists, so that their families, too, can have the possibility of a safe and prosperous future, in a place where they're wanted.

And, if that means that the The World - the UN, etc. - has to step-up and assist with that en masse relocation of so-called 'Palestinians', well, so be it.

It's over.

The Jews have won.

The Muslims have lost.

Time to move on.

Very Good Post Kondie,but all is not lost for the Palestinians at all.......the Palestinians are a dispossesed people but they will succeed in their quest for freedom.....you with respect, more than most....should understand this......you can degrade and dismiss,slaughter and maim Palestinians all you want but I would have thought you should show humility and humanity somewhat...considering what happened to Your people throughout History.......really of all the worlds people Palestinians treated Jews with a fair amount of goodwill. Your people have not just pushed the Palestinians to the Margins but dreadfully tried to push them off the page completely........but Palestinians will survive like you survived,they have to because for them not to.......diminishes your own people in the process...this you should give some thought to my friend....it is not a question of Win and Loss because we all Lose,you and I.....steve...again thanks for a thoughtful and in parts enlightening POST

it’s late night !

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Disco…



steve ? on the rocks?








"...the Palestinians are a dispossesed people..."








“…but I would have thought you should show humility and humanity somewhat...”









I think they’re doing a good job, ’restraining themselves.” here's a look back as to how long israel has been trying...



they respond with:


“it is not a question of Win and Loss because we all Lose, you and I..”


them, especially.





I guess to really achieve 'peace' -- bye-bye Joe hamass.
(…and not just them)…




I.J.




Arafats plo



then the offshoot groups.


Evil bizzaro world………


"the Palestinians are a dispossesed people."


more like ‘possessed.”

Poorly Written and Sadly Pathetic Post..

 

[TheOldSchool]

So if aliens are real... do the Presidents know about them? At some point in their Presidency, every President HAS to ask right? RIGHT???!!!

 

[Phoenall]

Traditions mainly, and of course there was a Jericho, one of the oldest cities. Before any Hebrews set foot there , there were others, but it was ok for Hebrews to destroy their stuff? There is lots of Christian stuff there , along with Arab, and I will bet more an more items and artifacts will suddenly be produced, saying see Israelites use to be here (faked). So what does it mean?

I'm even sure some day they will find millions of bones said to be truth the exodus happened, also will be faked. The Israelites never really had much control of any land there, for any period of time, they were just a nomad people who encroached on others at the time. Most left and became other people. Even coming back from the exile it took them years to rebuild the temple, as most lost interest in it and it took forever they say. This great empire never was.

Where do you get your information from

Find out yourself you lazy prick

Pnoney is the most Ignorant Lazy Prick

Getting rattled now are we, is that why you are getting all immature and childish

Me get "rattled" I don't think so..I'm a SENTINEL and NEVER TAKE A BACKWARD STEP.....a great friend but I admit a HARD ENEMY as you full well know,but I always have TRUTH and RIGHT on my side........I am theliq.....ever living,ever faithful,ever sure.Viva Palestine,Viva Israel....but say NO to the ZIONIST CULT.

The only truth you have on your side is that preached in the mosque, and that is straight from the Koran.

 

[Phoenall]

If the Jews are so alien to the region of Palestine, why is the land sprinkled all over with Jewish artifacts? From the Tomb of Abraham in Hebron (where the Arabs conducted a massacre), to the Tomb of Joseph (which the Arabs destroyed), to the Tomb of Rachel (which had to have an ugly fortress built around it to save it). There's Masada (with its ritual bath) and the Ein Gedi caves (where David hid from Saul). The Arabs are trying to destroy any Temple artifacts by dumping them, just as they destroyed the ancient Shalom synagogue in Jericho.

In the final analysis, it is pointless to argue the matter of Jewish rights to the land on which modern-day Isreal is built.

Todays' Jews are a genetic mixture of both ancient Hebrew tribal blood and tribal origins in several other regions in Western Asia and Eastern Europe, as well as Africa.

Broadly speaking, each of those groups represents an admixture with original Hebrew tribal blood lines - enough to make them stakeholders at the table.

The DNA connection is certainly worth mentioning, and many of today's Jews have a blood-line connection to the ancient Hebrews.

But, more significantly, it is the Spirit of Judaism, that has returned to its land of origin - genetics be damned.

That Spirit - represented by both true blood-line connections to the ancient Hebrews and by those whose ancestors converted to Judaism hundreds or thousands of years ago - is what has dreamed of The Return for millennia and it is that Spirit that has held them together as communities of belief and culture for countless generations since the Diaspora.

Both the West and the East - both Christianity and Islam - have persecuted and oppressed and suppressed Judaism for many centuries - relegating them to the margins and pushing them out of mainstream life and forcing them into enclaves and forcing them to evolve a culture of separate-ness that is more a survival tactic than anything else.

We have made them the inward-turning People that they are today, over many centuries of bad treatment that we've dished out to them.

And then comes the latest outrage - the West - as represented by Nazi Germany - slaughtering them on an industrial scale to near-extinction within their old transplanted European homes - and, not surprisingly, the survivors finally realized that they had nothing left to lose, and re-discovered their courage, and decided to fight back, in order to survive.

So, when the Great Powers gave them an opening in the old lands of their Hebrew tribal predecessors and genetic and spiritual ancestors, they took advantage of it.

Both the West and the East had a hand in making the Jews what they became - determined settlers and courageous fighters and a resurrected and re-awakened People of the Book - and they now control those old lands - and are likely to, throughout the foreseeable future.

I am told and have heard and have read, that the Jews have employed a maxim for many centuries, in which some of their songs and prayers and dogma and cultural observances have voiced words to the effect of: "Next year in Jerusalem" - meaning, of course, that the Jews have intended to return to that land, since the Romans took it from them.

That series of latter-day Roman wars against the Jews - in the first couple of centuries of the Common Era - was the better part of 2,000 years ago.

Any People who can hold themselves together for 2,000 years, with such maxims as "Next year in Jerusalem" has to be given props for endurance and faithfulness; even if they eventually evolved into a broad and richly diverse and very loosely defined overarching and nominal community of faith and culture and aspirations and livelihood.

When that broad and richly diverse community of The Faithful was nearly extinguished in Europe in the 1930s and 1940s, something snapped in them.

They apparently figured that 2,000 years of persecution and oppression and slaughter was enough.

And they chose Old Palestine (formerly, the Kingdoms of Israel and Judea, and Samaria) to make their stand.

They're not going anywhere... they're there to stay... and God help the fools who try to dislodge them, this time.

They've served-up a new maxim, now that they're back: "Never again".

Never again, will they allow the world - East or West - to persecute them or to slaughter them - and, I, for one, believe them - I think they mean what they say.

In the long run, you simply cannot defeat such a determined people, who have held themselves together for nearly 2,000 years, who have been dreaming of that Return for that same 2,000 years, who suffered the loss of 6,000,000 men, women and children within Living Memory, and who came back from the brink of extinction, to buy-back and take-back their old ancestral and spiritual homeland, against vast and frightful odds, winning time and again, until, now, they control the region - a state of affairs that the world at-large would have found fantastical and impossible to conceive, back in the 1940s.

And because they cannot be defeated or dislodged, and because they insist upon a country of their own, the residuals and leftovers from the collection of previous inhabitants have two basic choices: Join or Leave.

Fighting is not an option - it's been tried - over and over and over and over again - with the same result, each time.

Any Muslim-Arab in the region with an ounce of brains and two coins to rub together should be getting his people out of there. Rotting in refugee camps and refugee towns for 66-67 years is not the mark of all-round intelligence or adaptability or ambition or self-respect - and they need to change that - by packing up, leaving, and starting new lives, elsewhere, amongst their co-religionists, so that their families, too, can have the possibility of a safe and prosperous future, in a place where they're wanted.

And, if that means that the The World - the UN, etc. - has to step-up and assist with that en masse relocation of so-called 'Palestinians', well, so be it.

It's over.

The Jews have won.

The Muslims have lost.

Time to move on.

Very Good Post Kondie,but all is not lost for the Palestinians at all.......the Palestinians are a dispossesed people but they will succeed in their quest for freedom.....you with respect, more than most....should understand this......you can degrade and dismiss,slaughter and maim Palestinians all you want but I would have thought you should show humility and humanity somewhat...considering what happened to Your people throughout History.......really of all the worlds people Palestinians treated Jews with a fair amount of goodwill. Your people have not just pushed the Palestinians to the Margins but dreadfully tried to push them off the page completely........but Palestinians will survive like you survived,they have to because for them not to.......diminishes your own people in the process...this you should give some thought to my friend....it is not a question of Win and Loss because we all Lose,you and I.....steve...again thanks for a thoughtful and in parts enlightening POST

Noted, and my thanks for the respectful aspect(s) of the response. Just to be clear - I am not Jewish - but a 4th-generation Irish-German American and a lapsed Catholic.

We obviously disagree with regard to Winners and Losers and future prospects.

Hi Kondie,once the Irish were Losers but regained their Superior position in the worlds peoples,Germans too,to a degree,Jews definetley....and despite your Negativity the Palestinians will be Winners(well they already are).
You are a very Good man,for the life of me I cannot understand your Anti-Semitism against the Palestinians,how do you justify One people to try to Eliminate another,just to claim/steal their LAND....your Logic to me is way off...but as I said before,you are really interesting and sensible 95% of the time..steve.........ps I don't say these things lightly...but with respect.

Looking at the evidence coming from the Palestinians themselves it is they who are claiming the land from north to south, from the river to the sea. It is written down for all to see and still morons deny that the arab muslims are the problem. If Israel wanted the land they all they needed to do was keep it and not give it back as they did with gaza and the Sinai

 

[theliq]

Where do you get your information from

Find out yourself you lazy prick

Pnoney is the most Ignorant Lazy Prick

Getting rattled now are we, is that why you are getting all immature and childish

Me get "rattled" I don't think so..I'm a SENTINEL and NEVER TAKE A BACKWARD STEP.....a great friend but I admit a HARD ENEMY as you full well know,but I always have TRUTH and RIGHT on my side........I am theliq.....ever living,ever faithful,ever sure.Viva Palestine,Viva Israel....but say NO to the ZIONIST CULT.

The only truth you have on your side is that preached in the mosque, and that is straight from the Koran.

HoHo.....You forget "I AM THE MAGNIFICENT"..........you are a drone,it's just the way it is www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_7Kx2FIFQY

 

[Phoenall]

Find out yourself you lazy prick

Pnoney is the most Ignorant Lazy Prick

Getting rattled now are we, is that why you are getting all immature and childish

Me get "rattled" I don't think so..I'm a SENTINEL and NEVER TAKE A BACKWARD STEP.....a great friend but I admit a HARD ENEMY as you full well know,but I always have TRUTH and RIGHT on my side........I am theliq.....ever living,ever faithful,ever sure.Viva Palestine,Viva Israel....but say NO to the ZIONIST CULT.

The only truth you have on your side is that preached in the mosque, and that is straight from the Koran.

HoHo.....You forget "I AM THE MAGNIFICENT"..........you are a drone,it's just the way it is www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_7Kx2FIFQY

You are nothing but a loudmouthed armchair activist that would run a mile the firsdt time anyone questioned you about your beliefs. Typical muslim coward that needs 20 or more other muslims armed to the teeth backing you up.