Al Jazeera’s undercover film on the US Israel lobby

[RoccoR]

RE: Al Jazeera’s undercover film on the US Israel lobby
※→ fanger, et al,

Let there be no mistake... Almost country of consequence is subjected to the eye of overt intelligence programs from nearly every other country of consequence. And it is not diminished by expanded over time since the end of WWII. While during the period from the close of hostilities for WWII - to - Present, most every nation that has a set of intelligence resources and collection assets, has reorganized several times over, no nation as much as America has lost the traditional resource in Human Intelligence (HUMINT) and tradecraft, Similarly, there is probably no nation, as much as America, that has devastated their Counterintelligence (CI) assets.

Because the CI Programs in America have been so segmented and chopped-up, they have become very ineffective.

Haaretz published a story acknowledging that almost all of these American Jewish supplicants came to Qatar for one very special reason (there may have been others, but this one was key). They wanted the Al Jazeera documentary killed. They knew if it was aired it would make them look as shabby, venal, and crude as the UK series did. These Lobby leaders also knew they were in a tricky position. Given that they liked to think of themselves as liberal, and supporters of free speech and press, they couldn’t be seen to take an ax to the production in an overt fashion. They needed to work behind the scenes.

(COMMENT)

Al Jazeerra looks at all the big players in the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea. They are a very discreet and unobtrusive in their overt collection operations; especially when observing the Arab League, Israel, and the Quartet. And in the more sensitive areas of Signals/Technical Intelligence (SIGINT) and Clandestine HUMINT, al-Jazeera also affords excellent cover for status and action. But al-Jazeera is just one of several enterprises assets can be used to explain both activities, equipment and movement. The best cover provides a casual yet believable reason for special technical materials, and a high linger/loiter explanation; with a very low probability of detection. One such cover, good in the Middle East (UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Qatar and India) is that of a Surveyor (some nondescript Middle East Survey and Engineering Company). Intelligence assets and resources in the western Military Services (especially America - because the commanders and key operations officers) have the least imagination and skill simply because they have the least operational experience. The is the same affliction as do security services have. Experience cost time, and time cost advancement. This opens the path to targeting by Hostile Intelligence Services and external Foreign Intelligence Services (FIS).

Al Jazeerra resources and assets does not work at all within that set of paradigms. The entire purpose of these Al Jazeerra articles is an attempt to clear the way for regional destabilization.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Haaretz published a story acknowledging that almost all of these American Jewish supplicants came to Qatar for one very special reason (there may have been others, but this one was key). They wanted the Al Jazeera documentary killed. They knew if it was aired it would make them look as shabby, venal, and crude as the UK series did. These Lobby leaders also knew they were in a tricky position. Given that they liked to think of themselves as liberal, and supporters of free speech and press, they couldn’t be seen to take an ax to the production in an overt fashion. They needed to work behind the scenes.

Israel doesn't (can't) refute anything so they just shut everything down.

Link?

How many do you want?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Al Jazeera’s undercover film on the US Israel lobby
※→ fanger, et al,

Let there be no mistake... Almost country of consequence is subjected to the eye of overt intelligence programs from nearly every other country of consequence. And it is not diminished by expanded over time since the end of WWII. While during the period from the close of hostilities for WWII - to - Present, most every nation that has a set of intelligence resources and collection assets, has reorganized several times over, no nation as much as America has lost the traditional resource in Human Intelligence (HUMINT) and tradecraft, Similarly, there is probably no nation, as much as America, that has devastated their Counterintelligence (CI) assets.

Because the CI Programs in America have been so segmented and chopped-up, they have become very ineffective.

Haaretz published a story acknowledging that almost all of these American Jewish supplicants came to Qatar for one very special reason (there may have been others, but this one was key). They wanted the Al Jazeera documentary killed. They knew if it was aired it would make them look as shabby, venal, and crude as the UK series did. These Lobby leaders also knew they were in a tricky position. Given that they liked to think of themselves as liberal, and supporters of free speech and press, they couldn’t be seen to take an ax to the production in an overt fashion. They needed to work behind the scenes.

(COMMENT)

Al Jazeerra looks at all the big players in the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea. They are a very discreet and unobtrusive in their overt collection operations; especially when observing the Arab League, Israel, and the Quartet. And in the more sensitive areas of Signals/Technical Intelligence (SIGINT) and Clandestine HUMINT, al-Jazeera also affords excellent cover for status and action. But al-Jazeera is just one of several enterprises assets can be used to explain both activities, equipment and movement. The best cover provides a casual yet believable reason for special technical materials, and a high linger/loiter explanation; with a very low probability of detection. One such cover, good in the Middle East (UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Qatar and India) is that of a Surveyor (some nondescript Middle East Survey and Engineering Company). Intelligence assets and resources in the western Military Services (especially America - because the commanders and key operations officers) have the least imagination and skill simply because they have the least operational experience. The is the same affliction as do security services have. Experience cost time, and time cost advancement. This opens the path to targeting by Hostile Intelligence Services and external Foreign Intelligence Services (FIS).

Al Jazeerra resources and assets does not work at all within that set of paradigms. The entire purpose of these Al Jazeerra articles is an attempt to clear the way for regional destabilization.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel spends a lot of resources closing down any criticism of Israel.

 

[rylah]

RE: Al Jazeera’s undercover film on the US Israel lobby
※→ fanger, et al,

Let there be no mistake... Almost country of consequence is subjected to the eye of overt intelligence programs from nearly every other country of consequence. And it is not diminished by expanded over time since the end of WWII. While during the period from the close of hostilities for WWII - to - Present, most every nation that has a set of intelligence resources and collection assets, has reorganized several times over, no nation as much as America has lost the traditional resource in Human Intelligence (HUMINT) and tradecraft, Similarly, there is probably no nation, as much as America, that has devastated their Counterintelligence (CI) assets.

Because the CI Programs in America have been so segmented and chopped-up, they have become very ineffective.

Haaretz published a story acknowledging that almost all of these American Jewish supplicants came to Qatar for one very special reason (there may have been others, but this one was key). They wanted the Al Jazeera documentary killed. They knew if it was aired it would make them look as shabby, venal, and crude as the UK series did. These Lobby leaders also knew they were in a tricky position. Given that they liked to think of themselves as liberal, and supporters of free speech and press, they couldn’t be seen to take an ax to the production in an overt fashion. They needed to work behind the scenes.

(COMMENT)

Al Jazeerra looks at all the big players in the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea. They are a very discreet and unobtrusive in their overt collection operations; especially when observing the Arab League, Israel, and the Quartet. And in the more sensitive areas of Signals/Technical Intelligence (SIGINT) and Clandestine HUMINT, al-Jazeera also affords excellent cover for status and action. But al-Jazeera is just one of several enterprises assets can be used to explain both activities, equipment and movement. The best cover provides a casual yet believable reason for special technical materials, and a high linger/loiter explanation; with a very low probability of detection. One such cover, good in the Middle East (UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Qatar and India) is that of a Surveyor (some nondescript Middle East Survey and Engineering Company). Intelligence assets and resources in the western Military Services (especially America - because the commanders and key operations officers) have the least imagination and skill simply because they have the least operational experience. The is the same affliction as do security services have. Experience cost time, and time cost advancement. This opens the path to targeting by Hostile Intelligence Services and external Foreign Intelligence Services (FIS).

Al Jazeerra resources and assets does not work at all within that set of paradigms. The entire purpose of these Al Jazeerra articles is an attempt to clear the way for regional destabilization.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel spends a lot of resources closing down any criticism of Israel.

So much that it has anti-Zionist and Islamic parties in the Knesset?
Real criticism of Israel, that is not disguised bigotry - is a rare commodity.

And al-Jazeerah is known for hosting the biggest bigots in the Arab world.
Just don't forget that the original al-Jazeerah in Arabic is nothing like what is presented to the Westerners.

Al Jazeera claims that life under ISIS is perfectly normal

 

[fanger]

Al jazeera is also known for exposing israeli spies

 

[rylah]

Al jazeera is also known for exposing israeli spies

Al Jazeerah is also known to apologize for LIES they spread - when they're dumb enough to invite Israeli professors who expose them live , in front of the whole Arab world:

 

[Hollie]

Haaretz published a story acknowledging that almost all of these American Jewish supplicants came to Qatar for one very special reason (there may have been others, but this one was key). They wanted the Al Jazeera documentary killed. They knew if it was aired it would make them look as shabby, venal, and crude as the UK series did. These Lobby leaders also knew they were in a tricky position. Given that they liked to think of themselves as liberal, and supporters of free speech and press, they couldn’t be seen to take an ax to the production in an overt fashion. They needed to work behind the scenes.

Israel doesn't (can't) refute anything so they just shut everything down.

Link?

How many do you want?

I’m not at all interested in your usual thread-spam as a part of your YouTube gee-had.

 

[Hollie]

Al jazeera is also known for exposing israeli spies

The Islamist mindset is of one, never ending conspiracy theory.

 

[rylah]

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Al Jazeera’s undercover film on the US Israel lobby
※→ rylah,, et al,

At some point in time, America needs to sit-down and take stock of those Middle East nations that believe that America is evil, --- and - or --- what America does is evil.

So much that it has anti-Zionist and Islamic parties in the Knesset?
Real criticism of Israel, that is not disguised bigotry - is a rare commodity.

And al-Jazeerah is known for hosting the biggest bigots in the Arab world.
Just don't forget that the original al-Jazeerah in Arabic is nothing like what is presented to the Westerners.

Al Jazeera claims that life under ISIS is perfectly normal
Media Removed

(COMMENT)

It might be time to consider a tactical and strategic (and quietly) withdraw. We might have been much better-off if the US had backed away and redirect our support to regional cultures that might have an appreciation for what America has to offer.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Al Jazeera’s undercover film on the US Israel lobby
※→ rylah,, et al,

At some point in time, America needs to sit-down and take stock of those Middle East nations that believe that America is evil, --- and - or --- what America does is evil.

So much that it has anti-Zionist and Islamic parties in the Knesset?
Real criticism of Israel, that is not disguised bigotry - is a rare commodity.

And al-Jazeerah is known for hosting the biggest bigots in the Arab world.
Just don't forget that the original al-Jazeerah in Arabic is nothing like what is presented to the Westerners.

Al Jazeera claims that life under ISIS is perfectly normal
Media Removed

(COMMENT)

It might be time to consider a tactical and strategic (and quietly) withdraw. We might have been much better-off if the US had backed away and redirect our support to regional cultures that might have an appreciation for what America has to offer.

Most Respectfully,
R

We might have been much better-off if the US had backed away and redirect our support to regional cultures that might have an appreciation for what America has to offer.

 

[rylah]

RE: Al Jazeera’s undercover film on the US Israel lobby
※→ rylah,, et al,

At some point in time, America needs to sit-down and take stock of those Middle East nations that believe that America is evil, --- and - or --- what America does is evil.

So much that it has anti-Zionist and Islamic parties in the Knesset?
Real criticism of Israel, that is not disguised bigotry - is a rare commodity.

And al-Jazeerah is known for hosting the biggest bigots in the Arab world.
Just don't forget that the original al-Jazeerah in Arabic is nothing like what is presented to the Westerners.

Al Jazeera claims that life under ISIS is perfectly normal
Media Removed

(COMMENT)

It might be time to consider a tactical and strategic (and quietly) withdraw. We might have been much better-off if the US had backed away and redirect our support to regional cultures that might have an appreciation for what America has to offer.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't understand how You connect that report by al-Jazeerah to this conclusion.
Not being a US citizen I cannot really understand or comment on that fairly, I'm an Israeli all I can tell You are the opinions in my society.

However I see this notion of withdrawal being raised frequently, but even from the middle eastern perspective, I can only tell You that clear recognition of American power has to come first, and any withdrawal has to come as a result of showing that power - either in action by supporting Your allies (not only Israel but Egypt for example) or by leaving as the world power, strong state to be respected, that builds and backs up solid agreements in the region.

Otherwise it's vacuum, and a picture of a dog running with a tail between his legs - I'm sorry for that language but this is the middle east, this is exactly how it will be portrayed (on al-Jazeerah too), and if not done wisely it will simply look as an invitation to war.

 

[MJB12741]

The leading neoconservative think tank Foundation for Defense of Democracies is functioning as an agent of the Israeli government, Al Jazeera’s forthcoming investigation on the US Israel lobby will reveal.

According to a source who has seen the undercover documentary, it contains footage of a powerful Israeli official claiming that “We have FDD. We have others working on this.”

Sima Vaknin-Gil, a former Israeli military intelligence officer, is said to state that the foundation is “working on” projects for Israel including “data gathering, information analysis, working on activist organizations, money trail. This is something that only a country, with its resources, can do the best.”

Under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, commonly known as FARA, US organizations and individuals who work on behalf of foreign governments are required to register with the counterintelligence section of the Department of Justice.

A search on the FARA website shows that the Foundation for Defense of Democracies is not registered.

Al Jazeera’s film reportedly identifies a number of lobby groups as working with Israel to spy on American citizens using sophisticated data gathering techniques. The documentary is also said to cast light on covert efforts to smear and intimidate Americans seen as too critical of Israel.

What's in Al Jazeera's undercover film on the US Israel lobby?

Who is looking forward to see this? and who is not?

Al Jazeera! The ISIS / Al Queda / Hezbollah channel funded by Islamists, who are even banned from many Arab countries. This is when you know the terrorist lovers are getting desperate. Ya gotta love it!

Oh good Lord, this thread is fun. Need to keep Fanger & Tinmore posting on it to keep it going strong. Heh He!

 

[rylah]

RE: Al Jazeera’s undercover film on the US Israel lobby
※→ rylah,, et al,

At some point in time, America needs to sit-down and take stock of those Middle East nations that believe that America is evil, --- and - or --- what America does is evil.

So much that it has anti-Zionist and Islamic parties in the Knesset?
Real criticism of Israel, that is not disguised bigotry - is a rare commodity.

And al-Jazeerah is known for hosting the biggest bigots in the Arab world.
Just don't forget that the original al-Jazeerah in Arabic is nothing like what is presented to the Westerners.

Al Jazeera claims that life under ISIS is perfectly normal
Media Removed

(COMMENT)

It might be time to consider a tactical and strategic (and quietly) withdraw. We might have been much better-off if the US had backed away and redirect our support to regional cultures that might have an appreciation for what America has to offer.

Most Respectfully,
R

We might have been much better-off if the US had backed away and redirect our support to regional cultures that might have an appreciation for what America has to offer.

Oh boy who wrote that beat up speech for her?

RE: Al Jazeera’s undercover film on the US Israel lobby
※→ rylah,, et al,

At some point in time, America needs to sit-down and take stock of those Middle East nations that believe that America is evil, --- and - or --- what America does is evil.

So much that it has anti-Zionist and Islamic parties in the Knesset?
Real criticism of Israel, that is not disguised bigotry - is a rare commodity.

And al-Jazeerah is known for hosting the biggest bigots in the Arab world.
Just don't forget that the original al-Jazeerah in Arabic is nothing like what is presented to the Westerners.

Al Jazeera claims that life under ISIS is perfectly normal
Media Removed

(COMMENT)

It might be time to consider a tactical and strategic (and quietly) withdraw. We might have been much better-off if the US had backed away and redirect our support to regional cultures that might have an appreciation for what America has to offer.

Most Respectfully,
R

We might have been much better-off if the US had backed away and redirect our support to regional cultures that might have an appreciation for what America has to offer.

Does she have relatives in Arabia who trade that oil?
Strange, I haven't heard of Palestinians having to offering anything to the US...or anyone.

But then again according to Hamas half of them are Saudis..
so I guess abuHalwa does get a share.

Hamas Interior Minister: We are Egyptians and Saudis,
Allahu Akbar

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Al Jazeera’s undercover film on the US Israel lobby
※→ rylah,, et al,

At some point in time, America needs to sit-down and take stock of those Middle East nations that believe that America is evil, --- and - or --- what America does is evil.

So much that it has anti-Zionist and Islamic parties in the Knesset?
Real criticism of Israel, that is not disguised bigotry - is a rare commodity.

And al-Jazeerah is known for hosting the biggest bigots in the Arab world.
Just don't forget that the original al-Jazeerah in Arabic is nothing like what is presented to the Westerners.

Al Jazeera claims that life under ISIS is perfectly normal
Media Removed

(COMMENT)

It might be time to consider a tactical and strategic (and quietly) withdraw. We might have been much better-off if the US had backed away and redirect our support to regional cultures that might have an appreciation for what America has to offer.

Most Respectfully,
R

We might have been much better-off if the US had backed away and redirect our support to regional cultures that might have an appreciation for what America has to offer.

Oh boy who wrote that beat up speech for her?

RE: Al Jazeera’s undercover film on the US Israel lobby
※→ rylah,, et al,

At some point in time, America needs to sit-down and take stock of those Middle East nations that believe that America is evil, --- and - or --- what America does is evil.

So much that it has anti-Zionist and Islamic parties in the Knesset?
Real criticism of Israel, that is not disguised bigotry - is a rare commodity.

And al-Jazeerah is known for hosting the biggest bigots in the Arab world.
Just don't forget that the original al-Jazeerah in Arabic is nothing like what is presented to the Westerners.

Al Jazeera claims that life under ISIS is perfectly normal
Media Removed

(COMMENT)

It might be time to consider a tactical and strategic (and quietly) withdraw. We might have been much better-off if the US had backed away and redirect our support to regional cultures that might have an appreciation for what America has to offer.

Most Respectfully,
R

We might have been much better-off if the US had backed away and redirect our support to regional cultures that might have an appreciation for what America has to offer.

Does she have relatives in Arabia who trade that oil?
Strange, I haven't heard of Palestinians having to offering anything to the US...or anyone.

But then again according to Hamas half of them are Saudis..
so I guess abuHalwa does get a share.

Hamas Interior Minister: We are Egyptians and Saudis,
Allahu Akbar

Seen it a gazillion times.

 

[Kondor3]

A Muslim-centric news agency...

Operating from a fundamentalist Muslim kinglet fiefdom...

Serving-up anti-Jewish propaganda?

Yeah, now THERE's credibility for ya...

Silly, dumb-ass Muzzies...

 

[Roudy]

Al jazeera is also known for exposing israeli spies

Any claim that that comes after "Al Jazeera claims...." should be followed by a laugh track:

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Al Jazeera’s undercover film on the US Israel lobby
※→ rylah,, et al,

There is an ever growing feeling that America is wasting blood, treasure and time (diplomacy and foreign aid) on countries which have substantial segments of the population that see America much differently than the people of America see ourselves.

Role in Syria:

■ Overall, there is mostly dissatisfaction with the role other countries have played in the Syrian conflict.
■ Russia’s and Iran’s roles are seen as negative everywhere except in Iran.
■ The U.S. role is only seen positively in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Turkey.
■ The Saudi role is only seen as positive in Jordan and the UAE.
■ The policies of the new Trump Administration toward any area of the Middle East are seen as positive only in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Turkey.
■ Emiratis and Turks favor his policies toward Syria and Iraq; Emiratis and Saudis support his policies toward Iran.​

I don't understand how You connect that report by al-Jazeerah to this conclusion. Not being a US citizen I cannot really understand or comment on that fairly, I'm an Israeli all I can tell You are the opinions in my society.

(COMMENT)

I am but one of the many American (a fair size segment) that have not been in a position to understand what the Israelis truly think; but which does understand that the contributions that Israel makes, the resources it controls, and the regional influences it has → are better left in Israeli hands than in the very unpredictable hands of the Arab Palestinian Leadership with close connections with Iran and the string of associated alternative allies that goes with that.

I suggest to you that the popular support of of the Egyptian People (using it from the example you raised) towards America is altogether different than the public face of the Egyptian Government.

At least two-thirds of respondents in Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, the UAE, and Turkey say that having good relations with the United States, Russia, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia are important for their countries.

​

America perceives itself as But, it is not necessarily reflective of the concerns in crafting a solution for an end to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. The Arab Palestinians consider America as less than an "honest broker" for peace. But the US is still providing aid to the Palestinians in fairly large amounts.

Americans are tending to see Arab Palestinians undermining hopes for a Peace Settlement - and then - blaming America for it:

■ Continuing violence and focused attacks against civilians,
■ The glorification and encouragement to martyrdom,
■ The growing use of "open" propaganda to Incite more violence,
■ The continuing settlement construction and expansion,
■ Designation land for exclusive Israeli use,
■ The illicit arms trafficking and militant activity,​

The realignment of American resources and support should (as an example) disrupt as much aid and support as possible being funneled into the occupied territories. Then, making a corresponding increase in allied regional support.

However I see this notion of withdrawal being raised frequently, but even from the middle eastern perspective, I can only tell You that clear recognition of American power has to come first, and any withdrawal has to come as a result of showing that power - either in action by supporting Your allies (not only Israel but Egypt for example) or by leaving as the world power, strong state to be respected, that builds and backs up solid agreements in the region.

(COMMENT)

■ "American Power" is rather an ambiguous term. When that term is used, it is often used as a euphemism for the American Military influence through its strike capability. That, in turn, is used to suggest an hegemony. It is not always correct to interpret it as "American Regional Influence."

■ While a significant number of Americans tend to think America should remain diplomatically engaged in the Middle East through the Quartet (United Nations, the United States, the European Union, and Russia) and the P5+1 (China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States; with Germany as the plus 1); that is not the same thing as a Military Engagement strategy.​

It is becoming less and less clear to many Americans as to what the Regional general populations would like to see America adopt as policy; stacked against what is in America's best interest.

Otherwise it's vacuum, and a picture of a dog running with a tail between his legs - I'm sorry for that language but this is the middle east, this is exactly how it will be portrayed (on al-Jazeerah too), and if not done wisely it will simply look as an invitation to war.

(COMMENT)

The image of a ""dog running with a tail between his legs"" is really unimportant in the political business of engaging in ad hominem attacks. What is important is the Arab ad hominem attack not over shadow the fact that America has big teeth. American use of restraint in the application of Military Force and Power should not be mistaken for weakness; but rather as prudence.

The "sit-down and take stock of those Middle East nations that believe that America is evil, --- and - or --- what America does is evil" is to understand your inventory - liabilities and alliances. And to "redirect our support to regional cultures that might have an appreciation for what America" does for them is the smart diplomatic move.

(COMMENT)

The American interest in Israel has sharp creases is the protection and preservation of the overall culture in an otherwise hostile environment. But as a by-product of that investment in Israel, America maintains a periscope into the Middle East that will minimize political blurring that occurs just because American Diplomats are watching themselves being watched.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[fanger]

America was not invited into Syria by the Elected government, Russia was
America gives aid to insurgent groups such as Daesh/ISIS

 

[rylah]

America was not invited into Syria by the Elected government, Russia was
America gives aid to insurgent groups such as Daesh/ISIS

Q. When You say "America" You mean McCain and Obama?