Aggrieved Whiteness: White Identity Politics and Modern American Racial Formation

[IM2]

Conversely, let's say in 2018 a majority of black American citizens believe Racism is not impeding their success, though they do believe people and community harming FVVKERY or SAVAGERY condoned by illogical thinking, PRO BLACK minded Americans is impeding their success, as well as harming the reputation of responsible black American citizens

A majority of blacks don't believe that.

 

[IM2]

When I was a little boy, I would often say to my father; "THAT'S NOT FAIR!"

. . . and he would respond, "Yeah? Get used to it, life's not fair." And I really do pity and feel sorry for every minority and subjected minority class in the nation. With that being said, we can not use the federal government to force equal outcomes, only equal opportunity.

Your mistake is trying to use the force of government to try to change the hearts and minds of the population, to FORCE equal outcomes. It can't be done. Yet YOU can be the change you want to see. It can't be done with government, for that will only make things worse..

While you're correcy that hearts and minds can not be changed by government and that racism can't be forced away by governments, I don't agree that government interventions will only make things worse and I can tell you why.

Let's say that the majority of white people during the time of legal discrimination & segregation in the U.S. were not actual racist however they were members of the priviledged race living in a white supremacist society. Perhaps for them, speaking out against racism or going against the status quo would or could result in undesired backlash. Most people will not put themselves at risk of harm - reputational, financial, physical or loss of societal status, etc. - simply to stand up for or help a stranger. There are people however who will comply when ordered to do or refrain from doing something. This specific point actually came up in a discussion of how it took almost 20 years after the end of WWII before the first U.S. airlines would hire it's first African American pilot even though men such as the Tuskegee Airme had proven their skills far beyond what was generally required of their white counterparts. It was only after a successful lawsuit and the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that the first black pilot was hired and the airlines admitted that they were concerned about the loss of business from their racist passengers. However once the law changed, they, as well as all of the other companies could truthfully state "we have to start hiring black pilots, it's against the law for us to not hire them because that's racial discrimination".

Agreed.


You have actually just supported my contention with out realizing it. Thank you.

What you are making reference to, and using as your example of is the past. At that time, in the past, the government, under official policy, had rules that officially barred minorities, abused their rights, and favored the majority.

In India likewise, it had a caste system, and S. Africa also had apartheid. IN all of these examples it cause egregious social harms. This is what the conflict in Israel is over right now. Folks don't believe there is a two tier law system in that land, but the reality on the ground is that there probably is.

I agree with you. When ever the government enforces one set of rules for one ethnicity, one sex, one gender, one minority, etc. it will cause friction and social disintegration. IM2 is actually on this board trying to convince members that the government needs to create more of this, more codified legalese, on the books, making it official, discriminating one person from another.

How do you think society and members in it will eventually respond to each other if the eyes of the law see them differently?


We need to move forward as a species, not backwards.


Remember, we are all the same inside, we all have the same feelings the same challenges, separation from each other is an illusion, and race is a social construct.

http://groups.psych.northwestern.edu/spcl/documents/Richeson_SommersAR16.pdf

IM2 is not trying to convince anyone of anything you have sad. The fact is that no matter what you believe the eyes of the law currently see people in this society differently. I am about ending that. The government created it and as long as it benefitted whites only whites did not complain. We all know that race is a social construct and upon this construct whites created a system that has provided them with all manners of advantages for at least 242 years. You wat us to pretend this didn't happen and now because whites want to tells us how color makes no difference only because we point out white racism while still practicing that same racism, we are all just supposed to obedient their desires.

We aren't talking about the past. We see the present here at USMB and in the election and support of Trump.

 

[MisterBeale]

When I was a little boy, I would often say to my father; "THAT'S NOT FAIR!"

. . . and he would respond, "Yeah? Get used to it, life's not fair." And I really do pity and feel sorry for every minority and subjected minority class in the nation. With that being said, we can not use the federal government to force equal outcomes, only equal opportunity.

Your mistake is trying to use the force of government to try to change the hearts and minds of the population, to FORCE equal outcomes. It can't be done. Yet YOU can be the change you want to see. It can't be done with government, for that will only make things worse..

While you're correcy that hearts and minds can not be changed by government and that racism can't be forced away by governments, I don't agree that government interventions will only make things worse and I can tell you why.

Let's say that the majority of white people during the time of legal discrimination & segregation in the U.S. were not actual racist however they were members of the priviledged race living in a white supremacist society. Perhaps for them, speaking out against racism or going against the status quo would or could result in undesired backlash. Most people will not put themselves at risk of harm - reputational, financial, physical or loss of societal status, etc. - simply to stand up for or help a stranger. There are people however who will comply when ordered to do or refrain from doing something. This specific point actually came up in a discussion of how it took almost 20 years after the end of WWII before the first U.S. airlines would hire it's first African American pilot even though men such as the Tuskegee Airme had proven their skills far beyond what was generally required of their white counterparts. It was only after a successful lawsuit and the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that the first black pilot was hired and the airlines admitted that they were concerned about the loss of business from their racist passengers. However once the law changed, they, as well as all of the other companies could truthfully state "we have to start hiring black pilots, it's against the law for us to not hire them because that's racial discrimination".

Agreed.


You have actually just supported my contention with out realizing it. Thank you.

What you are making reference to, and using as your example of is the past. At that time, in the past, the government, under official policy, had rules that officially barred minorities, abused their rights, and favored the majority.

In India likewise, it had a caste system, and S. Africa also had apartheid. IN all of these examples it cause egregious social harms. This is what the conflict in Israel is over right now. Folks don't believe there is a two tier law system in that land, but the reality on the ground is that there probably is.

I agree with you. When ever the government enforces one set of rules for one ethnicity, one sex, one gender, one minority, etc. it will cause friction and social disintegration. IM2 is actually on this board trying to convince members that the government needs to create more of this, more codified legalese, on the books, making it official, discriminating one person from another.

How do you think society and members in it will eventually respond to each other if the eyes of the law see them differently?


We need to move forward as a species, not backwards.


Remember, we are all the same inside, we all have the same feelings the same challenges, separation from each other is an illusion, and race is a social construct.

http://groups.psych.northwestern.edu/spcl/documents/Richeson_SommersAR16.pdf

IM2 is not trying to convince anyone of anything you have sad. The fact is that no matter what you believe the eyes of the law currently see people in this society differently. I am about ending that. The government created it and as long as it benefitted whites only whites did not complain. We all know that race is a social construct and upon this construct whites created a system that has provided them with all manners of advantages for at least 242 years. You wat us to pretend this didn't happen and now because whites want to tells us how color makes no difference only because we point out white racism while still practicing that same racism, we are all just supposed to obedient their desires.

We aren't talking about the past. We see the present here at USMB and in the election and support of Trump.

No, individuals that enforce the law see folks differently. THIS is the problem we need to address, it's the corruption. And it doesn't matter that party. YOU are being partisan and blind. You actually believe one party or the other is going to make a difference while the people have no oversight.

The Police Are Still Out of Control

I should know.
The Police Are Still Out of Control

". . . Over the years, politicians who wanted to make a difference didn’t. They were too beholden to the police unions and the police vote. I wrote a letter to President Bill Clinton in 1994 addressing this very issue, saying that honest cops have never been rewarded, and maybe there ought to be a medal for them. He wrote back, but nothing changed. In New York City, then-Mayor Michael Bloomberg professed that things were going to change, but in the end he went right along with his commissioner, Ray Kelly, who was allowed to do whatever he wanted. Kelly had been a sergeant when I was on the force, and he’d known about the corruption, as did Murphy.


As for Barack Obama and his attorney general, Eric Holder, they’re giving speeches now, after Ferguson. But it’s 20 years too late. It’s the same old problem of political power talking, and it doesn’t matter that both the president and his attorney general are African-American. Corruption is color blind. Money and power corrupt, and they are color blind too.


Only a few years ago, a cop who was in the same 81st Precinct I started in, Adrian Schoolcraft, was actually taken to a psych ward and handcuffed to a gurney for six days after he tried to complain about corruption – they wanted him to keep to a quota of summonses, and he wasn’t complying. No one would have believed him except he hid a tape recorder in his room, and recorded them making their demands. Now he’s like me, an outcast.. . . "


The law is no longer codified. But the corruption is endemic, it knows no party man.

If you disagree, name for me a law that discriminates.

 

[John Shaw]

I've never met anyone even one half as obsessed with white people as IM2 is. It's kind of freakish.

 

[AveryJarhman]

I've never met anyone even one half as obsessed with white people as IM2 is. It's kind of freakish.

Hey, John. I'm guessing you are not familiar with 'racism for profit' peddler Tariq Nasheed?

Not only is Tariq obsessed with hating on his "white privileged" neighbors, he gets his rocks of denigrating accomplished, free thinking black Americans, especially brothers achieving way more success than he has.

This free-thinking American with a fabulous hairstyle and excellent taste in selecting background music, speaks truth when voicing his opinions about black or American citizens of African descent much like Tariq.

"Perturbed American Sharing Concerns RE: Dysfunctional ‘Black’ Americans Impeding ‘Black’ Achievement" ~RINGOTVRAW "I SPEAK THE TRUTH."



Peace.

 

[IM2]

I've never met anyone even one half as obsessed with white people as IM2 is. It's kind of freakish.

Over a thousand threads of whites bashing blacks and i'm the obsessed one.

Even worse is that I am talking about white racism, not white people, and still idiots like you conflate the two issues into one.

 

[IM2]

When I was a little boy, I would often say to my father; "THAT'S NOT FAIR!"

. . . and he would respond, "Yeah? Get used to it, life's not fair." And I really do pity and feel sorry for every minority and subjected minority class in the nation. With that being said, we can not use the federal government to force equal outcomes, only equal opportunity.

Your mistake is trying to use the force of government to try to change the hearts and minds of the population, to FORCE equal outcomes. It can't be done. Yet YOU can be the change you want to see. It can't be done with government, for that will only make things worse..

While you're correcy that hearts and minds can not be changed by government and that racism can't be forced away by governments, I don't agree that government interventions will only make things worse and I can tell you why.

Let's say that the majority of white people during the time of legal discrimination & segregation in the U.S. were not actual racist however they were members of the priviledged race living in a white supremacist society. Perhaps for them, speaking out against racism or going against the status quo would or could result in undesired backlash. Most people will not put themselves at risk of harm - reputational, financial, physical or loss of societal status, etc. - simply to stand up for or help a stranger. There are people however who will comply when ordered to do or refrain from doing something. This specific point actually came up in a discussion of how it took almost 20 years after the end of WWII before the first U.S. airlines would hire it's first African American pilot even though men such as the Tuskegee Airme had proven their skills far beyond what was generally required of their white counterparts. It was only after a successful lawsuit and the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that the first black pilot was hired and the airlines admitted that they were concerned about the loss of business from their racist passengers. However once the law changed, they, as well as all of the other companies could truthfully state "we have to start hiring black pilots, it's against the law for us to not hire them because that's racial discrimination".

Agreed.


You have actually just supported my contention with out realizing it. Thank you.

What you are making reference to, and using as your example of is the past. At that time, in the past, the government, under official policy, had rules that officially barred minorities, abused their rights, and favored the majority.

In India likewise, it had a caste system, and S. Africa also had apartheid. IN all of these examples it cause egregious social harms. This is what the conflict in Israel is over right now. Folks don't believe there is a two tier law system in that land, but the reality on the ground is that there probably is.

I agree with you. When ever the government enforces one set of rules for one ethnicity, one sex, one gender, one minority, etc. it will cause friction and social disintegration. IM2 is actually on this board trying to convince members that the government needs to create more of this, more codified legalese, on the books, making it official, discriminating one person from another.

How do you think society and members in it will eventually respond to each other if the eyes of the law see them differently?


We need to move forward as a species, not backwards.


Remember, we are all the same inside, we all have the same feelings the same challenges, separation from each other is an illusion, and race is a social construct.

http://groups.psych.northwestern.edu/spcl/documents/Richeson_SommersAR16.pdf

IM2 is not trying to convince anyone of anything you have sad. The fact is that no matter what you believe the eyes of the law currently see people in this society differently. I am about ending that. The government created it and as long as it benefitted whites only whites did not complain. We all know that race is a social construct and upon this construct whites created a system that has provided them with all manners of advantages for at least 242 years. You wat us to pretend this didn't happen and now because whites want to tells us how color makes no difference only because we point out white racism while still practicing that same racism, we are all just supposed to obedient their desires.

We aren't talking about the past. We see the present here at USMB and in the election and support of Trump.

No, individuals that enforce the law see folks differently. THIS is the problem we need to address, it's the corruption. And it doesn't matter that party. YOU are being partisan and blind. You actually believe one party or the other is going to make a difference while the people have no oversight.

The Police Are Still Out of Control

I should know.
The Police Are Still Out of Control

". . . Over the years, politicians who wanted to make a difference didn’t. They were too beholden to the police unions and the police vote. I wrote a letter to President Bill Clinton in 1994 addressing this very issue, saying that honest cops have never been rewarded, and maybe there ought to be a medal for them. He wrote back, but nothing changed. In New York City, then-Mayor Michael Bloomberg professed that things were going to change, but in the end he went right along with his commissioner, Ray Kelly, who was allowed to do whatever he wanted. Kelly had been a sergeant when I was on the force, and he’d known about the corruption, as did Murphy.


As for Barack Obama and his attorney general, Eric Holder, they’re giving speeches now, after Ferguson. But it’s 20 years too late. It’s the same old problem of political power talking, and it doesn’t matter that both the president and his attorney general are African-American. Corruption is color blind. Money and power corrupt, and they are color blind too.


Only a few years ago, a cop who was in the same 81st Precinct I started in, Adrian Schoolcraft, was actually taken to a psych ward and handcuffed to a gurney for six days after he tried to complain about corruption – they wanted him to keep to a quota of summonses, and he wasn’t complying. No one would have believed him except he hid a tape recorder in his room, and recorded them making their demands. Now he’s like me, an outcast.. . . "


The law is no longer codified. But the corruption is endemic, it knows no party man.

If you disagree, name for me a law that discriminates.

I have been talking about white racism.

Whites here, since they are primarily republican, have tried putting all racism on democrats. You say nothing to them and think you can explain something I've known since I was a kid. So you argue that with the white republicans here. The government makes the laws, the people elect those making the laws. If the laws are a problem, the people elected created the problem and those who voted did also by supporting them with their vote.

Blacks have been talking about things such as what Schoolcraft went through for over 100 years. Whites refuse to listen. This is not about Obama and Holder entering late, it is about a white population 242 years late.

 

[Asclepias]

Most whites at USMB have this belief.

"Recent social psychological research, opinion polls, and political movements, such as the Tea Party and the candidacy and election of Donald Trump, have highlighted an increasingly widespread sentiment among white Americans that they are a structurally oppressed racial group. In spite of persistent socio-cultural and political economic structures of white supremacy, real racial inequalities that serve to privilege rather than oppress white people as a group, a politics of aggrieved whiteness has become increasingly prevalent. Aggrieved whiteness is a white identity politics aimed at maintaining white socio-political hegemony through challenging efforts to combat actual material racial inequality, while supporting heavily racialized investments in policing, prisons, and the military, and positing a narrative of antiwhite racial oppression loosely rooted in an assortment of racialized threats."

Aggrieved Whiteness: White Identity Politics and Modern American Racial Formation

So to be blunt, this is fiction whites created to maintain white socio-political hegemony or white leadership and dominance over others. It is based in a belief of entitlement

Let me find that one black guy who says what I want to hear thinking it validates my argument.

LOL!

“Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance (the Negro makes) -- the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.”​

Martin Luther King Jr.​

Thank you.

Focus on education, not hyperbola and criticism.



When I was a little boy, I would often say to my father; "THAT'S NOT FAIR!"

. . . and he would respond, "Yeah? Get used to it, life's not fair." And I really do pity and feel sorry for every minority and subjected minority class in the nation. With that being said, we can not use the federal government to force equal outcomes, only equal opportunity.

Your mistake is trying to use the force of government to try to change the hearts and minds of the population, to FORCE equal outcomes. It can't be done. Yet YOU can be the change you want to see. It can't be done with government, for that will only make things worse..

Only by seeing yourself as one with your brother, no matter what the color of his skin, will he then give a damn about your condition. If you proclaim, he is not white, I am not black, but WE are family, and thus, WE will take care of each other. . .

Then, we all reach the promised land together. Any other strategy will only lead to balkanization.

Until then, you will only make enemies, and enemies do not cooperate, they do not give charity, and they give no quarter.

Sometimes I'm not sure that is what you want.

Unless you are a hired gun that is intending to drive a wedge? For I honestly see you always doing more harm than good.

Sounds more like you want Blacks to patiently wait for whites to change their tune. For starters it will never happen. Secondly why should I patiently wait to get what whites have enjoyed for centuries in a supposedly equal society?

 

[MisterBeale]

Let me find that one black guy who says what I want to hear thinking it validates my argument.

LOL!

“Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance (the Negro makes) -- the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.”​

Martin Luther King Jr.​

Thank you.

Focus on education, not hyperbola and criticism.



When I was a little boy, I would often say to my father; "THAT'S NOT FAIR!"

. . . and he would respond, "Yeah? Get used to it, life's not fair." And I really do pity and feel sorry for every minority and subjected minority class in the nation. With that being said, we can not use the federal government to force equal outcomes, only equal opportunity.

Your mistake is trying to use the force of government to try to change the hearts and minds of the population, to FORCE equal outcomes. It can't be done. Yet YOU can be the change you want to see. It can't be done with government, for that will only make things worse..

Only by seeing yourself as one with your brother, no matter what the color of his skin, will he then give a damn about your condition. If you proclaim, he is not white, I am not black, but WE are family, and thus, WE will take care of each other. . .

Then, we all reach the promised land together. Any other strategy will only lead to balkanization.

Until then, you will only make enemies, and enemies do not cooperate, they do not give charity, and they give no quarter.

Sometimes I'm not sure that is what you want.

Unless you are a hired gun that is intending to drive a wedge? For I honestly see you always doing more harm than good.

Sounds more like you want Blacks to patiently wait for whites to change their tune. For starters it will never happen. Secondly why should I patiently wait to get what whites have enjoyed for centuries in a supposedly equal society?

Nope, that is not what I am saying at all.


I have a friend, she's white. She married a guy that is like Obama, half and half.

Is their baby white or black?

 

[boedicca]

Oh Goody! Yet another Racist Race Baiting thread posted by a Racist Race Baiting Race Baiter.

 

[Asclepias]

Let me find that one black guy who says what I want to hear thinking it validates my argument.

LOL!

“Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance (the Negro makes) -- the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.”​

Martin Luther King Jr.​

Thank you.

Focus on education, not hyperbola and criticism.



When I was a little boy, I would often say to my father; "THAT'S NOT FAIR!"

. . . and he would respond, "Yeah? Get used to it, life's not fair." And I really do pity and feel sorry for every minority and subjected minority class in the nation. With that being said, we can not use the federal government to force equal outcomes, only equal opportunity.

Your mistake is trying to use the force of government to try to change the hearts and minds of the population, to FORCE equal outcomes. It can't be done. Yet YOU can be the change you want to see. It can't be done with government, for that will only make things worse..

Only by seeing yourself as one with your brother, no matter what the color of his skin, will he then give a damn about your condition. If you proclaim, he is not white, I am not black, but WE are family, and thus, WE will take care of each other. . .

Then, we all reach the promised land together. Any other strategy will only lead to balkanization.

Until then, you will only make enemies, and enemies do not cooperate, they do not give charity, and they give no quarter.

Sometimes I'm not sure that is what you want.

Unless you are a hired gun that is intending to drive a wedge? For I honestly see you always doing more harm than good.

Sounds more like you want Blacks to patiently wait for whites to change their tune. For starters it will never happen. Secondly why should I patiently wait to get what whites have enjoyed for centuries in a supposedly equal society?

Nope, that is not what I am saying at all.


I have a friend, she's white. She married a guy that is like Obama, half and half.

Is their baby white or black?

More chance of the baby being Black than white but I am not sure what you are trying to say?

 

[boedicca]

Let me find that one black guy who says what I want to hear thinking it validates my argument.

LOL!

“Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance (the Negro makes) -- the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.”​

Martin Luther King Jr.​

Thank you.

Focus on education, not hyperbola and criticism.



When I was a little boy, I would often say to my father; "THAT'S NOT FAIR!"

. . . and he would respond, "Yeah? Get used to it, life's not fair." And I really do pity and feel sorry for every minority and subjected minority class in the nation. With that being said, we can not use the federal government to force equal outcomes, only equal opportunity.

Your mistake is trying to use the force of government to try to change the hearts and minds of the population, to FORCE equal outcomes. It can't be done. Yet YOU can be the change you want to see. It can't be done with government, for that will only make things worse..

Only by seeing yourself as one with your brother, no matter what the color of his skin, will he then give a damn about your condition. If you proclaim, he is not white, I am not black, but WE are family, and thus, WE will take care of each other. . .

Then, we all reach the promised land together. Any other strategy will only lead to balkanization.

Until then, you will only make enemies, and enemies do not cooperate, they do not give charity, and they give no quarter.

Sometimes I'm not sure that is what you want.

Unless you are a hired gun that is intending to drive a wedge? For I honestly see you always doing more harm than good.

Sounds more like you want Blacks to patiently wait for whites to change their tune. For starters it will never happen. Secondly why should I patiently wait to get what whites have enjoyed for centuries in a supposedly equal society?

Nope, that is not what I am saying at all.


I have a friend, she's white. She married a guy that is like Obama, half and half.

Is their baby white or black?

I'll go with: beige. We are all just merging into the color scheme of the universe:

The universe is beige

 

[MisterBeale]

LOL!

“Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance (the Negro makes) -- the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.”​

Martin Luther King Jr.​

Thank you.

Focus on education, not hyperbola and criticism.



When I was a little boy, I would often say to my father; "THAT'S NOT FAIR!"

. . . and he would respond, "Yeah? Get used to it, life's not fair." And I really do pity and feel sorry for every minority and subjected minority class in the nation. With that being said, we can not use the federal government to force equal outcomes, only equal opportunity.

Your mistake is trying to use the force of government to try to change the hearts and minds of the population, to FORCE equal outcomes. It can't be done. Yet YOU can be the change you want to see. It can't be done with government, for that will only make things worse..

Only by seeing yourself as one with your brother, no matter what the color of his skin, will he then give a damn about your condition. If you proclaim, he is not white, I am not black, but WE are family, and thus, WE will take care of each other. . .

Then, we all reach the promised land together. Any other strategy will only lead to balkanization.

Until then, you will only make enemies, and enemies do not cooperate, they do not give charity, and they give no quarter.

Sometimes I'm not sure that is what you want.

Unless you are a hired gun that is intending to drive a wedge? For I honestly see you always doing more harm than good.

Sounds more like you want Blacks to patiently wait for whites to change their tune. For starters it will never happen. Secondly why should I patiently wait to get what whites have enjoyed for centuries in a supposedly equal society?

Nope, that is not what I am saying at all.


I have a friend, she's white. She married a guy that is like Obama, half and half.

Is their baby white or black?

More chance of the baby being Black than white but I am not sure what you are trying to say?

What I am getting at, is I always see threads in support of making policies and laws that specifically target, and favor certain folks, or POC.

When I go to my kids statewide basketball tourney's, I see dozens of folks, who I can't tell if they are black, white, or Hispanic.

How do you classify folks?

Do you let them do it for you? IOW, self-identify? Do they all have to get genetic testing done and pass benchmarks?

If left up to the individual to self-identify, doesn't that mean anyone can, making the purpose of the programs meaningless?


Make no mistake, this is not my only problem with this position.



I went to school with a refugee from Vietnam since elementary junior high, we became fast friends. He constantly went on about racism not only in society from individuals, but from the government, institutions, etc.

Yet, he, his brother, and dad landed on our shores, literally with NOTHING. Then, after a decade of savings, moving from a nearby city out of the projects and a loan from the minority business assoc., his dad started a restaurant, then sold it and started another, and then another.

He ended up attending the same BIG TEN college as I, and rooming with me.



When it comes to government, I believe in the voluntary principle. If slavery is wrong, then partial slavery is wrong. This is, in essence., is what taxes are. They aren't good for any body.

Two wrongs don't make a right in my book.

As long as the elites keep as at each others throats, they keep us off the real problem. You want more of the pie? Focus on who has it, not the other slaves, but the slave master.

 

[MisterBeale]

LOL!

“Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance (the Negro makes) -- the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.”​

Martin Luther King Jr.​

Thank you.

Focus on education, not hyperbola and criticism.



When I was a little boy, I would often say to my father; "THAT'S NOT FAIR!"

. . . and he would respond, "Yeah? Get used to it, life's not fair." And I really do pity and feel sorry for every minority and subjected minority class in the nation. With that being said, we can not use the federal government to force equal outcomes, only equal opportunity.

Your mistake is trying to use the force of government to try to change the hearts and minds of the population, to FORCE equal outcomes. It can't be done. Yet YOU can be the change you want to see. It can't be done with government, for that will only make things worse..

Only by seeing yourself as one with your brother, no matter what the color of his skin, will he then give a damn about your condition. If you proclaim, he is not white, I am not black, but WE are family, and thus, WE will take care of each other. . .

Then, we all reach the promised land together. Any other strategy will only lead to balkanization.

Until then, you will only make enemies, and enemies do not cooperate, they do not give charity, and they give no quarter.

Sometimes I'm not sure that is what you want.

Unless you are a hired gun that is intending to drive a wedge? For I honestly see you always doing more harm than good.

Sounds more like you want Blacks to patiently wait for whites to change their tune. For starters it will never happen. Secondly why should I patiently wait to get what whites have enjoyed for centuries in a supposedly equal society?

Nope, that is not what I am saying at all.


I have a friend, she's white. She married a guy that is like Obama, half and half.

Is their baby white or black?

I'll go with: beige. We are all just merging in the color scheme of the universe:

The universe is beige

That's what the cute baby pics look like.

 

[Asclepias]

LOL!

“Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance (the Negro makes) -- the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.”​

Martin Luther King Jr.​

Thank you.

Focus on education, not hyperbola and criticism.



When I was a little boy, I would often say to my father; "THAT'S NOT FAIR!"

. . . and he would respond, "Yeah? Get used to it, life's not fair." And I really do pity and feel sorry for every minority and subjected minority class in the nation. With that being said, we can not use the federal government to force equal outcomes, only equal opportunity.

Your mistake is trying to use the force of government to try to change the hearts and minds of the population, to FORCE equal outcomes. It can't be done. Yet YOU can be the change you want to see. It can't be done with government, for that will only make things worse..

Only by seeing yourself as one with your brother, no matter what the color of his skin, will he then give a damn about your condition. If you proclaim, he is not white, I am not black, but WE are family, and thus, WE will take care of each other. . .

Then, we all reach the promised land together. Any other strategy will only lead to balkanization.

Until then, you will only make enemies, and enemies do not cooperate, they do not give charity, and they give no quarter.

Sometimes I'm not sure that is what you want.

Unless you are a hired gun that is intending to drive a wedge? For I honestly see you always doing more harm than good.

Sounds more like you want Blacks to patiently wait for whites to change their tune. For starters it will never happen. Secondly why should I patiently wait to get what whites have enjoyed for centuries in a supposedly equal society?

Nope, that is not what I am saying at all.


I have a friend, she's white. She married a guy that is like Obama, half and half.

Is their baby white or black?

More chance of the baby being Black than white but I am not sure what you are trying to say?

What I am getting at, is I always see threads in support of making policies and laws that specifically target, and favor certain folks, or POC.

When I go to my kids statewide basketball tourney's, I see dozens of folks, who I can't tell if they are black, white, or Hispanic.

How do you classify folks?

Do you let them do it for you? IOW, self-identify? Do they all have to get genetic testing done and pass benchmarks?

If left up to the individual to self-identify, doesn't that mean anyone can, making the purpose of the programs meaningless?


Make no mistake, this is not my only problem with this position.



I went to school with a refugee from Vietnam since elementary junior high, we became fast friends. He constantly went on about racism not only in society from individuals, but from the government, institutions, etc.

Yet, he, his brother, and dad landed on our shores, literally with NOTHING. Then, after a decade of savings, moving from a nearby city out of the projects and a loan from the minority business assoc., his dad started a restaurant, then sold it and started another, and then another.

He ended up attending the same BIG TEN college as I, and rooming with me.



When it comes to government, I believe in the voluntary principle. If slavery is wrong, then partial slavery is wrong. This is, in essence., is what taxes are. They aren't good for any body.

Two wrongs don't make a right in my book.

As long as the elites keep as at each others throats, they keep us off the real problem. You want more of the pie? Focus on who has it, not the other slaves, but the slave master.

I get what youre saying. My point is that the white slaves are stupid for being racist against the other slaves.

 

[IM2]

Two wrongs don't make a right in my book.

In other books, for there to be 2 wrongs, a first wrong has to happen. Therefore the first wrong must be addressed. The ability to tax is written in the constitution. This nation has lived with higher tax rates and those taxes went to programs that primarily benefitted whites. Tax "slavery" was fine then, so when we look at your argument, you have to wonder what the point is.

 

[theHawk]

Most whites at USMB have this belief.

"Recent social psychological research, opinion polls, and political movements, such as the Tea Party and the candidacy and election of Donald Trump, have highlighted an increasingly widespread sentiment among white Americans that they are a structurally oppressed racial group. In spite of persistent socio-cultural and political economic structures of white supremacy, real racial inequalities that serve to privilege rather than oppress white people as a group, a politics of aggrieved whiteness has become increasingly prevalent. Aggrieved whiteness is a white identity politics aimed at maintaining white socio-political hegemony through challenging efforts to combat actual material racial inequality, while supporting heavily racialized investments in policing, prisons, and the military, and positing a narrative of antiwhite racial oppression loosely rooted in an assortment of racialized threats."

Aggrieved Whiteness: White Identity Politics and Modern American Racial Formation

So to be blunt, this is fiction whites created to maintain white socio-political hegemony or white leadership and dominance over others. It is based in a belief of entitlement

You neo-Marxists have been playing identity politics for years, and now you are upset that the other side is doing the same?

 

[Correll]

Most whites at USMB have this belief.

"Recent social psychological research, opinion polls, and political movements, such as the Tea Party and the candidacy and election of Donald Trump, have highlighted an increasingly widespread sentiment among white Americans that they are a structurally oppressed racial group. In spite of persistent socio-cultural and political economic structures of white supremacy, real racial inequalities that serve to privilege rather than oppress white people as a group, a politics of aggrieved whiteness has become increasingly prevalent. Aggrieved whiteness is a white identity politics aimed at maintaining white socio-political hegemony through challenging efforts to combat actual material racial inequality, while supporting heavily racialized investments in policing, prisons, and the military, and positing a narrative of antiwhite racial oppression loosely rooted in an assortment of racialized threats."

Aggrieved Whiteness: White Identity Politics and Modern American Racial Formation

So to be blunt, this is fiction whites created to maintain white socio-political hegemony or white leadership and dominance over others. It is based in a belief of entitlement

We can all see your utter inability to support the bullshit claims in the op.

 

[MisterBeale]

Thank you.

Focus on education, not hyperbola and criticism.



When I was a little boy, I would often say to my father; "THAT'S NOT FAIR!"

. . . and he would respond, "Yeah? Get used to it, life's not fair." And I really do pity and feel sorry for every minority and subjected minority class in the nation. With that being said, we can not use the federal government to force equal outcomes, only equal opportunity.

Your mistake is trying to use the force of government to try to change the hearts and minds of the population, to FORCE equal outcomes. It can't be done. Yet YOU can be the change you want to see. It can't be done with government, for that will only make things worse..

Only by seeing yourself as one with your brother, no matter what the color of his skin, will he then give a damn about your condition. If you proclaim, he is not white, I am not black, but WE are family, and thus, WE will take care of each other. . .

Then, we all reach the promised land together. Any other strategy will only lead to balkanization.

Until then, you will only make enemies, and enemies do not cooperate, they do not give charity, and they give no quarter.

Sometimes I'm not sure that is what you want.

Unless you are a hired gun that is intending to drive a wedge? For I honestly see you always doing more harm than good.

Sounds more like you want Blacks to patiently wait for whites to change their tune. For starters it will never happen. Secondly why should I patiently wait to get what whites have enjoyed for centuries in a supposedly equal society?

Nope, that is not what I am saying at all.


I have a friend, she's white. She married a guy that is like Obama, half and half.

Is their baby white or black?

More chance of the baby being Black than white but I am not sure what you are trying to say?

What I am getting at, is I always see threads in support of making policies and laws that specifically target, and favor certain folks, or POC.

When I go to my kids statewide basketball tourney's, I see dozens of folks, who I can't tell if they are black, white, or Hispanic.

How do you classify folks?

Do you let them do it for you? IOW, self-identify? Do they all have to get genetic testing done and pass benchmarks?

If left up to the individual to self-identify, doesn't that mean anyone can, making the purpose of the programs meaningless?


Make no mistake, this is not my only problem with this position.



I went to school with a refugee from Vietnam since elementary junior high, we became fast friends. He constantly went on about racism not only in society from individuals, but from the government, institutions, etc.

Yet, he, his brother, and dad landed on our shores, literally with NOTHING. Then, after a decade of savings, moving from a nearby city out of the projects and a loan from the minority business assoc., his dad started a restaurant, then sold it and started another, and then another.

He ended up attending the same BIG TEN college as I, and rooming with me.



When it comes to government, I believe in the voluntary principle. If slavery is wrong, then partial slavery is wrong. This is, in essence., is what taxes are. They aren't good for any body.

Two wrongs don't make a right in my book.

As long as the elites keep as at each others throats, they keep us off the real problem. You want more of the pie? Focus on who has it, not the other slaves, but the slave master.

I get what youre saying. My point is that the white slaves are stupid for being racist against the other slaves.

Judging by the despicable racism and hopeless lack of empathy for each other, exhibited on this forum and in this nation, I feel you are right.

"Oh sha sha we got to live together

I am no better and neither are you
We are the same whatever we do
You love me you hate me you know me and then
You can't figure out the bag I'm in"

 

[MizMolly]

Most whites at USMB have this belief.

"Recent social psychological research, opinion polls, and political movements, such as the Tea Party and the candidacy and election of Donald Trump, have highlighted an increasingly widespread sentiment among white Americans that they are a structurally oppressed racial group. In spite of persistent socio-cultural and political economic structures of white supremacy, real racial inequalities that serve to privilege rather than oppress white people as a group, a politics of aggrieved whiteness has become increasingly prevalent. Aggrieved whiteness is a white identity politics aimed at maintaining white socio-political hegemony through challenging efforts to combat actual material racial inequality, while supporting heavily racialized investments in policing, prisons, and the military, and positing a narrative of antiwhite racial oppression loosely rooted in an assortment of racialized threats."

Aggrieved Whiteness: White Identity Politics and Modern American Racial Formation

So to be blunt, this is fiction whites created to maintain white socio-political hegemony or white leadership and dominance over others. It is based in a belief of entitlement

Most whites at USMB have this belief.

"Recent social psychological research, opinion polls, and political movements, such as the Tea Party and the candidacy and election of Donald Trump, have highlighted an increasingly widespread sentiment among white Americans that they are a structurally oppressed racial group. In spite of persistent socio-cultural and political economic structures of white supremacy, real racial inequalities that serve to privilege rather than oppress white people as a group, a politics of aggrieved whiteness has become increasingly prevalent. Aggrieved whiteness is a white identity politics aimed at maintaining white socio-political hegemony through challenging efforts to combat actual material racial inequality, while supporting heavily racialized investments in policing, prisons, and the military, and positing a narrative of antiwhite racial oppression loosely rooted in an assortment of racialized threats."

Aggrieved Whiteness: White Identity Politics and Modern American Racial Formation

So to be blunt, this is fiction whites created to maintain white socio-political hegemony or white leadership and dominance over others. It is based in a belief of entitlement

You are such a race baiter