Age discrimination

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Thought it might be an interesting topic...but then again, maybe not.:eusa_whistle:

Anywho...with people working longer instead of retiring, it is harder and harder to find employment if one is over 50. And triple good luck if you are in your 60's and want to work until 75. Not too many employers are out there that want an old WISE fogey working for them because most CEO's and managers in charge of the hiring process don't want someone smarter than them as an employee. Kind of hard to retire at a later age and still have income when nobody will hire you.

Anyone here that is currently working and has been at the job for a very long time, worried about being "let go" due to age but it has nothing to do with work performance?
 
I have been at McDonalds for 7 years and am one of their best employees, as well as a number of others, and we are all at risk of being forced out simply because we are over the age of 21.
But we figure that if they want people working for them who are completely clueless, that is up to them.

Its surprising that many businesses don't wish to hire people aged fifty and over. You would think they'd be the perfect candidates for a job. At the same time, I think that hiring younger people is a better idea - they are just starting out, and need the experience.

I think that if you have been in a job for a long time and are a good worker, you shouldn't need to fear being kicked out of a job - don't you have protections in place over there?
 
No protections here that I know of. Taco Bell has a habit of hiring older people, though. They clean the tables, ask if the patrons need another refill, keep the sauce pots full of packets, etc. And the women I have seen are in their late 70's!

Walmart hired greeters, but walmart sucks.

Personally, if I still had my businesses..I would want older people just because they are more experienced in life in general. But things have changed. The world has moved on and not for the better.
 
No protections here that I know of. Taco Bell has a habit of hiring older people, though. They clean the tables, ask if the patrons need another refill, keep the sauce pots full of packets, etc. And the women I have seen are in their late 70's!

Walmart hired greeters, but walmart sucks.

Personally, if I still had my businesses..I would want older people just because they are more experienced in life in general. But things have changed. The world has moved on and not for the better.

Pity that you don't have protections. See, even though work can reduce my hours until I have no choice but to quit, I can go after them if I wanted to and demand an explanation for my loss of hours, and they would be expected to explain. If they can't, I at least have a few legal options, which sadly, you Americans don't seem to have.

Kmart has greeters as well - I don't see the point of someone standing at the door saying hello to people. It's pointless - but at the same time, it makes the shopping experience more pleasant when you have someone greet you. I have mixed feelings about greeters, I guess.
 
Off topic...LOVE the new avie!!

That is you, yes? Beautiful. And no..I am not lying my big fat stinky smelly ass off this time. :lol:
 
I'm self-employed but I'm thinking about firing myself.
 
I've always worked retail, along with property management. Once upon a time, customer assistance was a big deal, so when someone would come in my shop, I didn't follow them around, but if they showed by their stance and actions they WANTED me near them to get opinions or ask questions or help find accessories for whatever they were buying, I would be more than happy to do so. Then I closed my shop (ladies boutique shop) and took it all to ebay way back in 1999. No overhead. And I did well. But then ebay got big. BIG. And sales flagged. So I had to find a job and I did at a big department store. I had customers who were buying 700 bucks to 1000 bucks worth of outfits who wanted me to go with them to the shoe department and help them pick out shoes to match..then the purse department..then the jewelry department. When I tried to go with them, the department manager for the section I worked in said no...I could not do that. Show them the dressing room in MY department but do not LEAVE my department. When the customer said "but I want HER to go with me and help me spend money in YOUR STORE" the manager shrugged and said it was against policy. The woman got peeved and left all her outfits and said no thanks then. She will find a plac that is customer oriented. And no...no employees got commission. What a stupid policy!
Then I opened my second store. Antique shop specializing in Native American pottery, art, beaded apparel and accessories, jewelry..along with asian, african, moroccan apparel along with antiques and persian rugs hand knotted and HUGE. I assisted every customer that walked in that door. And I had rules for my employees....answer the phone by the 3rd ring, no cell phones, no friends visiting, no reading books or sitting and doing their fingernails. I said I dont care if they are in the middle of a 3000 buck sale...if someone walks in, GREET THEM and say you will be with them shortly. And always smile. NEVER talk politics and NEVER talk religion to any customers. But the owner of the building sold it and I had to move out. That was the last time I worked full time. And that is when the RA kicked in. Probably from dragging antique dressers and vanities and heavy assed hand knotted rugs that were 10 feet by 13 feet outside to roll out on the sidewalk so they could see the beautiful workmanship in making those rugs. Climbing up on ladders to hang art, bows and arrows, spears, massai war shields...all that stuff took a toll on my joints.

Couldn't do property management any more either. Couldn't paint the units for new tenants and I was also doing the gardening in all the grounds of the complex. Iworked my butt off all my life and now I am paying for it. And I miss working. I really do. But..I can't unless I can find someone that will let me sit, go easy on my wrists and hand joints, my knee joints and my hips and lower back..not counting the intestinal problems where a bathroom has to be REALLY close. And I won't be 61 until october. My body started falling apart at 58. But I STILL would like to work. Problem is..nobody will hire me. Because I am over 55. I even put on applications I would take minimum wage. Still got a "no".

It's very discouraging.
 
Gracie, sounds like you would be a great personal shopper!
 
Off topic...LOVE the new avie!!

That is you, yes? Beautiful. And no..I am not lying my big fat stinky smelly ass off this time. :lol:

You forgot OLD! :eusa_angel:
 
I keep forgetting that part, don't I?
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No protections here that I know of. Taco Bell has a habit of hiring older people, though. They clean the tables, ask if the patrons need another refill, keep the sauce pots full of packets, etc. And the women I have seen are in their late 70's!

Walmart hired greeters, but walmart sucks.

Personally, if I still had my businesses..I would want older people just because they are more experienced in life in general. But things have changed. The world has moved on and not for the better.

Pity that you don't have protections. See, even though work can reduce my hours until I have no choice but to quit, I can go after them if I wanted to and demand an explanation for my loss of hours, and they would be expected to explain. If they can't, I at least have a few legal options, which sadly, you Americans don't seem to have.

Kmart has greeters as well - I don't see the point of someone standing at the door saying hello to people. It's pointless - but at the same time, it makes the shopping experience more pleasant when you have someone greet you. I have mixed feelings about greeters, I guess.

Actually, we do have protection here. Age is a protected class.

From Wikipedia:

The Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA), enacted in 1968 and amended in 1978 and 1986, prohibits employers from discriminating on the basis of age. The prohibited practices are nearly identical to those outlined in Title VII, except that the ADEA protects workers in firms with 20 or more workers rather than 15 or more. An employee is protected from discrimination based on age if he or she is over 40.

The trouble, of course, is proving that you've been discriminated against because of age.
 
I've always worked retail, along with property management. Once upon a time, customer assistance was a big deal, so when someone would come in my shop, I didn't follow them around, but if they showed by their stance and actions they WANTED me near them to get opinions or ask questions or help find accessories for whatever they were buying, I would be more than happy to do so. Then I closed my shop (ladies boutique shop) and took it all to ebay way back in 1999. No overhead. And I did well. But then ebay got big. BIG. And sales flagged. So I had to find a job and I did at a big department store. I had customers who were buying 700 bucks to 1000 bucks worth of outfits who wanted me to go with them to the shoe department and help them pick out shoes to match..then the purse department..then the jewelry department. When I tried to go with them, the department manager for the section I worked in said no...I could not do that. Show them the dressing room in MY department but do not LEAVE my department. When the customer said "but I want HER to go with me and help me spend money in YOUR STORE" the manager shrugged and said it was against policy. The woman got peeved and left all her outfits and said no thanks then. She will find a plac that is customer oriented. And no...no employees got commission. What a stupid policy!
Then I opened my second store. Antique shop specializing in Native American pottery, art, beaded apparel and accessories, jewelry..along with asian, african, moroccan apparel along with antiques and persian rugs hand knotted and HUGE. I assisted every customer that walked in that door. And I had rules for my employees....answer the phone by the 3rd ring, no cell phones, no friends visiting, no reading books or sitting and doing their fingernails. I said I dont care if they are in the middle of a 3000 buck sale...if someone walks in, GREET THEM and say you will be with them shortly. And always smile. NEVER talk politics and NEVER talk religion to any customers. But the owner of the building sold it and I had to move out. That was the last time I worked full time. And that is when the RA kicked in. Probably from dragging antique dressers and vanities and heavy assed hand knotted rugs that were 10 feet by 13 feet outside to roll out on the sidewalk so they could see the beautiful workmanship in making those rugs. Climbing up on ladders to hang art, bows and arrows, spears, massai war shields...all that stuff took a toll on my joints.

Couldn't do property management any more either. Couldn't paint the units for new tenants and I was also doing the gardening in all the grounds of the complex. Iworked my butt off all my life and now I am paying for it. And I miss working. I really do. But..I can't unless I can find someone that will let me sit, go easy on my wrists and hand joints, my knee joints and my hips and lower back..not counting the intestinal problems where a bathroom has to be REALLY close. And I won't be 61 until october. My body started falling apart at 58. But I STILL would like to work. Problem is..nobody will hire me. Because I am over 55. I even put on applications I would take minimum wage. Still got a "no".

It's very discouraging.

Gracie, they can't discriminate against you because you're over 55. Not if they have 15 employees or more. Are you sure it's because of that? Are you telling them about all your aches and pains? Maybe that's scaring them off, like they think you won't be able to handle the job?

You could sue, but it's hard to prove they're rejecting you because of your age. : (
 
Age discrimination is alive and well in America. Best defense if you're going after your former employer: Keep copies of EVERYTHING from day one - yearly evaluations, any notes or emails of thanks or praise for good work, anything at all. Forward a copy all emails pertaining to you personally (good and bad) to your home computer. Keep detailed records of everything - a conversation with a supervisor, co-worker. Keep detailed notes on ANY abuses you see or hear in the workplace - when, who, discussion, etc. Keep copies of any emails or other written materials from anyone representing employer decisions, etc.

Keep in mind that the EEOC is not an altogether unbiased agency. LEARN everything you possibly can about what the EEOC can and cannot do and call them out on anything they seem to be violating.

I say this because a whole lot of my friends/co-workers (and myself) were fired for "poor work product." We had years of service from 5 to 20 years. We were all over the age of 40. Some had health issues, some did not. Everybody was replaced the next day with little 20-Somethings with short skirts and low cut tops. The upshot of the whole thing was a lot of bad publicity for the employer (somebody had a close friend who was a reporter), some went full-out in talking, law suits were filed and settlements were made.
 
Thought it might be an interesting topic...but then again, maybe not.:eusa_whistle:

Anywho...with people working longer instead of retiring, it is harder and harder to find employment if one is over 50. And triple good luck if you are in your 60's and want to work until 75. Not too many employers are out there that want an old WISE fogey working for them because most CEO's and managers in charge of the hiring process don't want someone smarter than them as an employee. Kind of hard to retire at a later age and still have income when nobody will hire you.

Anyone here that is currently working and has been at the job for a very long time, worried about being "let go" due to age but it has nothing to do with work performance?

Ageism is rampant we live in an age segregated society. One of the age groups most effected by ageism are those coming up into a retirement age, seniors and seemingly more and more those even as young as 50 are experiencing ageism in respect to employment in this economy.

I have often thought about our worship of youth and why it feels like we seem to dispose of the "old" in with the "new" kind of attitude.

I have had people say to me that people used to value the their elders and have respect for the wisdom and life experiences that can share and give insight to, but I don;t see any evidence of that around me.
 
This is why the Social Security eligibility age needs be raised. People are living longer and can work longer too! I know you all support that.



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If "y'all" learning nothing else from this recession, the biggest take-away is

PAY YOURSELF FIRST.

10% out of every single pay check. Without fail, no excuses.

If you don't take care of your own future, no one will do it for you.

Unless, of course, you want to be in your 60s, back and feet killing you as you "greet" the WalMart shoppers. Next time you're in one of those shitty stores, just try seeing yourself in any of those jobs and remember that any and all employers would rather pay a kid a lot less money than what you think you're worth in the same shitty position.
 
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