Afghanistan War Doesn't Have To Be A War America Lost!

[fncceo]

Twice?

1929 and 1979

 

[Ringo]

1929 and 1979

How do you consider 1929 a defeat for USSR?

 

[fncceo]

How do you consider 1929 a defeat for USSR?

They came, had no affect, and left. It might not have been a military defeat, it was certainly a policy defeat.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Biden had to do something to create chaos and collapse in Afghanistan. He has no idea how long his open borders can last. The taliban needs those borders to stay open. That's the key to getting terrorists in here.

 

[surada]

Biden had to do something to create chaos and collapse in Afghanistan. He has no idea how long his open borders can last. The taliban needs those borders to stay open. That's the key to getting terrorists in here.

The Taliban want peace and stability in Afghanistan. .. and they want us gone. They will control the warlords raping and kidnapping and opium production and the Haqqanis Mafia.

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The group is primarily composed of members of the Zadran tribe. The Haqqanis are considered the most lethal and sophisticated insurgent group targeting US, Coalition, and Afghan forces in Afghanistan; they typically conduct coordinated small-arms assaults coupled with rocket attacks, IEDs, suicide attacks, and attacks using bomb-laden vehicles.

 

[Ringo]

They came, had no affect, and left. It might not have been a military defeat, it was certainly a policy defeat.

When a man, the khan of Afghanistan, to whom a detachment of the Red Army was sent to help, fled the country, it is kind of difficult to fulfill the policy...

 

[candycorn]

Depends what you call losing.

If land is the arbiter of whether you won or lost...yup we lost.

We did what we meant to do; get the guys who did 9/11. We then stayed way too long afterword. And considering the lowest PFC will have material riches and personal development opportunities beyond the comprehension of almost all of the Taliban leaders.... I'm not so sure you could ever deem us losers.

But the yardstick most people use is land. They got it. We had it.

Is anyone under the impression that if we wanted to...we couldn't take it back though?

 

[JWBooth]

Ever since the White House announced the withdrawal of U.S. military forces from Afghanistan by September of this year the reality on the ground in Afghanistan is that the Afghanistan Army has been losing battle after battle against the Taliban, the Taliban have taken control of numerous districts in the country. The bottom line is that the Afghanistan Army is not strong enough and effective enough as a fighting force to take on the Taliban across the country of Afghanistan; but, the Afghanistan Army is strong and effective enough to defend major cities throughout Afghanistan and the regions surrounding these cities against Taliban fighting forces "if" the Afghanistan Army has a superpower country's air power behind it because the airpower can neutralize any significant Taliban attacking force threatening the Afghanistan army in these regions. The Taliban victories during the last two months place the "writing on the wall", that being, if America and its allies completely withdraw military support from the Afghanistan government, that government and the country of Afghanistan will completely fall to the Taliban. The Taliban are too capable as an insurgent force they know how to kill, terrorize and topple a government; once America leaves it will only be a matter of "when" not "if" the Afghanistan government will fall to the Taliban.

If the Taliban regain control of Afghanistan, all the blood and treasure that America and its many wonderful allies spent during the past twenty years trying to make Afghanistan a good country that recognizes and respects human rights will all have been for naught, a big waste! Eighteen hundred U.S. soldiers lost their lives fighting this Afghanistan War, these fallen soldiers' families have had to endure the indescribable loss of not having their loved one with them, twenty-thousand soldiers were wounded--in-action in this War many having lost limbs and other vital aspects of their health; now the U.S. government is taking steps that will make this sacrifice meaningless, just one big waste! This is wrong the American government should not do this to these families, it should not be so disrespectful about what these families gave to this country!

There is another option for America here besides continuing to have U.S. soldiers on the ground fighting in Afghanistan; America could leave its air power in Afghanistan. If America could leave some fixed wing aircraft and some Apache helicopters there then these resources could be used to aid and back-up Afghanistan armed forces defending the country's major cities and if these cities can be held then the Afghanistan people will still have a country that respects human rights and supports human freedom, albeit a smaller country. This buys the Afghanistan government time and time possibly could change their situation making it more favorable to the Afghanistan people and human rights. Time could bring the Pakistani government and its people recognizing and becoming intolerable of the evil Taliban leadership having their home base in the mountains of Pakistan and shut this leadership down! Time could bring the world and especially the Islamic world become more unaccepting and intolerable of the version of an Islamic religion that is counter to and violates human rights which the Taliban espouses. Time could bring ordinary Afghanistan citizens getting really tired and fed-up with the Middle Age society that the Taliban offer when a much better twenty-first century life could be in their reach and Afghanistan could see grass root rebellions against the Taliban where local Afghanis just rise up and kill the local Taliban leadership and their armed supporters!

There is still time for the America government not to abandon the Afghanistan people to the Taliban there is still time for the American government not to throw away two decades of extraordinarily virtuous effort by the free world to help the people of Afghanistan acquire their freedom and build a good country! The American government need only leave its air power in Afghanistan, it need only make this commitment for two years with the proviso that in two years it will make an assessment to determine if it still makes sense to leave these resources in the country!

Very prescient