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Perhaps I can be of use in the debate on this very complex subject where everyone often has a different opinion, and where people often come to forums giving my viewpoint on the question to those who read me, without any pretensions on my part. I hope that this will also interest women, who want to have an opinion to understand why it is sometimes so difficult for them, in our societies, to find love, which when it is sincere should normally lead, in my opinion, to marriage and children when possible and to a happy maternal and family life for them. An opinion that they need and want to have on the male sex, concerning a subject on which men themselves often disagree, because men ask themselves the same question, a subject that seems as old as humanity.
The supposed specialists, who inform and influence us by educating us and often damage us -- I am talking about the media -- never make this point (perhaps they do not have the right). That is, it is in our civilized countries, with a white majority, where there are the most homosexuals. In the under-developed countries, where the local political leaders are not as strong as ours, and therefore not as powerful, this does not occur. It is incredible and astounding to see how, in debates on the television or radio discussing the subject by pretending to say everything, with no taboos and leaving nothing out, these guests can split hairs for so long and manage to talk for hours without mentioning this fact. What hypocrisy. The important thing is not to hide our heads in the sand and pretend not to see what is perfectly obvious. More than half of some American cities are homosexual, it appears. People in the third world, who live or come from poor or underdeveloped countries, say so proudly. Here at home, we do not have homosexuals, or at least not as many. You, you have lots. So, as we are apparently facing a well-established phenomenon that is not the result of chance, we must try to understand why, and I immediately state that it would be too pretentious on my behalf to say that I am certain of knowing the answer.
For me, at least some of the answer has supernatural causes. Since ancient Greece, which was a great civilization, or decadent Rome, people have written that there was a link between power and homosexuality. Some people thus wrote that when some men who were not homosexuals, heterosexuals as some say by managing to introduce the mandatory use of that word, and had a lot of power (political or otherwise), there were men who did not have any and who were often homosexuals. As for me, I have the impression of seeing in that a sort of invisible transfer phenomenon, of the power that is taken from some to others. Children will lean to homosexuality later, without having had any sexual abuse in their childhood, it appears.
But we know that others who were abused will sometimes lean to homosexuality later. But specialists can speak better than me about the figures that must exist. I have been told that, back in ancient Greece, small boys were taken to perverts, including a famous "Pederast" who, if what I was told is true, perverted them by force -- there is no other word -- and gave them a taste for homosexual sexual relationships, thereby abandoning their future views on women. Because without an outside influence, men do not become homosexual later, in my opinion. Destiny is different according to where you are born, I am sure. If they had grown up in other places, they would not have become homosexuals later.
The concept of criminality to children was not known at the time of Plato. They did that to children also to be the most docile managing classes, I imagine, and to men with high positions in society, who were not homosexuals, and left the priority of sexual predominance on the female sex to those (as they had thus had a higher choice of women) who had no other solution than turning to them.
To summarize, there was no "harem" that, even now, we hypocritically reproach some religious civilizations, but it was replaced by a process of the elimination of sexual desire in other men, at the earliest age, and incitation to homosexuality, for the poor we will say (at first), which was the same thing, (or worst probably). This incitation also exists today, largely encouraged (because it is also lucrative) by our media and their tacit consent. Homosexuals obey to powerful people, become docile to power, held by non-homosexuals, even under the appearance of a swaggering revolt that they occasionally show, to try to recover a dignity that might have been taken from them, a revolt which seems like a sad comedy, (one thinks of the Gay Pride). But one thing is sure, we must not have hatred towards them. Nor contempt or scorn. That does not mean that we must forget that some are crazy and may be dangerous..
I was talking earlier about women. I hope no one will be offended by what I will say. But there are not only certain homosexuals (perhaps all of them), who were raped as children, and stupid people who obey power, to hurt others, and are in this case despicable. I have often noticed how much some women willingly and zealously go beyond even the demands of people in power, often do harm, or harass other men, that the power does not like, with whom they have no obvious family connections, and therefore have many flaws in their eyes, and do so with great servility. Not to mention the false testimony, which is not a male specialty. The female sex is not at all autonomous, as women like to repeat, but is very obedient to those men I am taking about.
I hope no one takes this as derogatory or offensive, but I see homosexuality as a handicap for which they should not always feel guilty but sometimes and often should feel they are victims, perhaps. Homosexuality is the wrong path, which many take involuntarily, I believe. Some cannot help living homosexually, and I see them as people with a serious handicap (without being disdainful, I repeat) and perhaps less responsible than those who seek to fall to these base acts through a taste for vice, when they could avoid it.
I do not at all believe those who say that there is a "biological gene" for homosexuality, just as I do not believe those racists and Nazis who say that there is an "intelligence" gene in some groups of individuals and not in others. In any case, I do not claim to have it. The search for equality and mental health requires good teaching and moral concepts in education, which are often missing today, or destroyed by the media, for example. Promoting homosexuality should be severely punished as a crime. Like those, perhaps unaware of what they are doing, who travel around the country in camping-cars with homosexual propaganda. Just like we should severely punish those who commit crimes and assassination attempts against children, and who scandalize minors (generally they do all this because it is lucrative, I repeat). The judgments of courts should be extensively cited as examples and to edify the crowd.
Homosexuality is an evil of our societies, a debasement and degeneration of man, sought by the devil (in my opinion). In other words, as I wrote above, some men politicians or not, may or may not already have power seek to become more powerful to ensure their safety and longevity, by harming or destroying others, e.g. by rape, in particular during childhood (once again) in certain cases. In a way, they would take the power of others by destroying them psychically. And I believe that the process and this headlong flight to power, and the so-called excessive security policy, is encouraged by the devil and thus linked to the supernatural, and makes men commit folly. An explanation that is part of the answer. For example, also by harassing their fellow creatures, because harassment plays a very important role in the physical and especially social domination in relationships of men in power (whether or not they are homosexual), would often lead to the creation of political rebels or perverts. I am not revealing a major discovery here. But we do not know when they do it on voluntarily and for that purpose, and prove it. That is perhaps the most important.
PS: I hope again I am not too politically incorrect and not to be associated with. I do not wish to harm anyone, but to contribute to a debate.
You can read this post about another complety different subject :
Nuclear energy : the only true ennemy of Islam
http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3906
I hope you will read ALL my posts.
Best regards
The supposed specialists, who inform and influence us by educating us and often damage us -- I am talking about the media -- never make this point (perhaps they do not have the right). That is, it is in our civilized countries, with a white majority, where there are the most homosexuals. In the under-developed countries, where the local political leaders are not as strong as ours, and therefore not as powerful, this does not occur. It is incredible and astounding to see how, in debates on the television or radio discussing the subject by pretending to say everything, with no taboos and leaving nothing out, these guests can split hairs for so long and manage to talk for hours without mentioning this fact. What hypocrisy. The important thing is not to hide our heads in the sand and pretend not to see what is perfectly obvious. More than half of some American cities are homosexual, it appears. People in the third world, who live or come from poor or underdeveloped countries, say so proudly. Here at home, we do not have homosexuals, or at least not as many. You, you have lots. So, as we are apparently facing a well-established phenomenon that is not the result of chance, we must try to understand why, and I immediately state that it would be too pretentious on my behalf to say that I am certain of knowing the answer.
For me, at least some of the answer has supernatural causes. Since ancient Greece, which was a great civilization, or decadent Rome, people have written that there was a link between power and homosexuality. Some people thus wrote that when some men who were not homosexuals, heterosexuals as some say by managing to introduce the mandatory use of that word, and had a lot of power (political or otherwise), there were men who did not have any and who were often homosexuals. As for me, I have the impression of seeing in that a sort of invisible transfer phenomenon, of the power that is taken from some to others. Children will lean to homosexuality later, without having had any sexual abuse in their childhood, it appears.
But we know that others who were abused will sometimes lean to homosexuality later. But specialists can speak better than me about the figures that must exist. I have been told that, back in ancient Greece, small boys were taken to perverts, including a famous "Pederast" who, if what I was told is true, perverted them by force -- there is no other word -- and gave them a taste for homosexual sexual relationships, thereby abandoning their future views on women. Because without an outside influence, men do not become homosexual later, in my opinion. Destiny is different according to where you are born, I am sure. If they had grown up in other places, they would not have become homosexuals later.
The concept of criminality to children was not known at the time of Plato. They did that to children also to be the most docile managing classes, I imagine, and to men with high positions in society, who were not homosexuals, and left the priority of sexual predominance on the female sex to those (as they had thus had a higher choice of women) who had no other solution than turning to them.
To summarize, there was no "harem" that, even now, we hypocritically reproach some religious civilizations, but it was replaced by a process of the elimination of sexual desire in other men, at the earliest age, and incitation to homosexuality, for the poor we will say (at first), which was the same thing, (or worst probably). This incitation also exists today, largely encouraged (because it is also lucrative) by our media and their tacit consent. Homosexuals obey to powerful people, become docile to power, held by non-homosexuals, even under the appearance of a swaggering revolt that they occasionally show, to try to recover a dignity that might have been taken from them, a revolt which seems like a sad comedy, (one thinks of the Gay Pride). But one thing is sure, we must not have hatred towards them. Nor contempt or scorn. That does not mean that we must forget that some are crazy and may be dangerous..
I was talking earlier about women. I hope no one will be offended by what I will say. But there are not only certain homosexuals (perhaps all of them), who were raped as children, and stupid people who obey power, to hurt others, and are in this case despicable. I have often noticed how much some women willingly and zealously go beyond even the demands of people in power, often do harm, or harass other men, that the power does not like, with whom they have no obvious family connections, and therefore have many flaws in their eyes, and do so with great servility. Not to mention the false testimony, which is not a male specialty. The female sex is not at all autonomous, as women like to repeat, but is very obedient to those men I am taking about.
I hope no one takes this as derogatory or offensive, but I see homosexuality as a handicap for which they should not always feel guilty but sometimes and often should feel they are victims, perhaps. Homosexuality is the wrong path, which many take involuntarily, I believe. Some cannot help living homosexually, and I see them as people with a serious handicap (without being disdainful, I repeat) and perhaps less responsible than those who seek to fall to these base acts through a taste for vice, when they could avoid it.
I do not at all believe those who say that there is a "biological gene" for homosexuality, just as I do not believe those racists and Nazis who say that there is an "intelligence" gene in some groups of individuals and not in others. In any case, I do not claim to have it. The search for equality and mental health requires good teaching and moral concepts in education, which are often missing today, or destroyed by the media, for example. Promoting homosexuality should be severely punished as a crime. Like those, perhaps unaware of what they are doing, who travel around the country in camping-cars with homosexual propaganda. Just like we should severely punish those who commit crimes and assassination attempts against children, and who scandalize minors (generally they do all this because it is lucrative, I repeat). The judgments of courts should be extensively cited as examples and to edify the crowd.
Homosexuality is an evil of our societies, a debasement and degeneration of man, sought by the devil (in my opinion). In other words, as I wrote above, some men politicians or not, may or may not already have power seek to become more powerful to ensure their safety and longevity, by harming or destroying others, e.g. by rape, in particular during childhood (once again) in certain cases. In a way, they would take the power of others by destroying them psychically. And I believe that the process and this headlong flight to power, and the so-called excessive security policy, is encouraged by the devil and thus linked to the supernatural, and makes men commit folly. An explanation that is part of the answer. For example, also by harassing their fellow creatures, because harassment plays a very important role in the physical and especially social domination in relationships of men in power (whether or not they are homosexual), would often lead to the creation of political rebels or perverts. I am not revealing a major discovery here. But we do not know when they do it on voluntarily and for that purpose, and prove it. That is perhaps the most important.
PS: I hope again I am not too politically incorrect and not to be associated with. I do not wish to harm anyone, but to contribute to a debate.
You can read this post about another complety different subject :
Nuclear energy : the only true ennemy of Islam
http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3906
I hope you will read ALL my posts.
Best regards
