Zone1 Abortion is murder and I can't find any way to show otherwise.

Not semantics at all. Fetuses aren't people who have more rights than the woman they're inside.

I think not having a kid you can't raise is very responsible.
Cool, stop it before it happens, stop killing baby humans. Men, and women need to consider the possibilities and be responsible for said pregnancy when it occurs, without killing the human baby
 
3 of 4 Americans disagree with the OP.
False news.
But even if it were true, THE RIGHT TO LIFE is not dependent on majority rule -- which is why we are not a democracy but a CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED REPUBLIC
 
The right of the mother is not infringed upon by a fetus.
The mother now has the RESPONSIBILITY to care for the baby for the next 18 years. That is the parents DUTY

BTW, "fetus" is latin for OFSPRING
 
The mother now has the RESPONSIBILITY to care for the baby for the next 18 years. That is the parents DUTY

BTW, "fetus" is latin for OFSPRING
Yelling that means nothing. Fetus is the legal term, not unborn child. Go away.
 
Fetuses aren't babies and if abortion upsets the funditards, I'm all for it.
Blah, blah, blah, fetuses. You realize that is simply the term for a developing human begin it's already human, it is developing, sorry I had to dumb it down for you!
 
Blah, blah, blah, fetuses. You realize that is simply the term for a developing human begin it's already human, it is developing, sorry I had to dumb it down for you!

NOt at all. A glob of tissue that isn't viable shouldn't have more rights than the woman it is inside.

But on a practical note, you guys didn't learn a thing from Prohibition, did you? Declaring something immoral and illegal doesn't work if a large part of the population doesn't want it to be illegal and doesn't think it's immoral.

IF a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, she'll find a way to not be pregnant, and there will be plenty of people ready to help either because they don't think it should be illegal, either, or they just want to make money.
 
Most American support abortion rights with stipulations. Are the majority wrong then?
 
NOt at all. A glob of tissue that isn't viable shouldn't have more rights than the woman it is inside.

But on a practical note, you guys didn't learn a thing from Prohibition, did you? Declaring something immoral and illegal doesn't work if a large part of the population doesn't want it to be illegal and doesn't think it's immoral.

IF a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, she'll find a way to not be pregnant, and there will be plenty of people ready to help either because they don't think it should be illegal, either, or they just want to make money.
It is a human being, period. No matter what you tell yourself to alleviate your guilt in supporting such barbarianism. Now you are equating the brutal murder of innocence with alcohol sales? I agree with the last part just tell them to do it before they have to kill their child in the womb! Last thing, even though biology, which is science, is the reason the woman carries it the man still receives no rights even though it is his child as well
 
It is a human being, period. No matter what you tell yourself to alleviate your guilt in supporting such barbarianism. Now you are equating the brutal murder of innocence with alcohol sales? I agree with the last part just tell them to do it before they have to kill their child in the womb! Last thing, even though biology, which is science, is the reason the woman carries it the man still receives no rights even though it is his child as well
If its a human being why is health care not provided for the child, no matter the income of the mother? Does a child cease to be human being if it is poor?
 
If its a human being why is health care not provided for the child, no matter the income of the mother? Does a child cease to be human being if it is poor?
What in thee hell are you talking about, of course that child is cared for via taxpayer funding for the mother, before, and after birth!
 
It is a human being, period. No matter what you tell yourself to alleviate your guilt in supporting such barbarianism. Now you are equating the brutal murder of innocence with alcohol sales?

Okay, let's dissect this word salad.

I feel no guilt about abortion one way or the other. I've never had one (being a dude), have never had to pay for one (because I've always used contraception or my partners did), and have no involvement. I used to be anti-abortion, until I realized it's kind of pointless to have a law no one will follow.

The prohibition comparison is valid. why did Prohibition fail? Well, to start with most people didn't want it. The Prohibitionists were a noisy minority that got this amendment passed because people didn't read it very closely. (People assumed that it would only apply to hard liquor, not beer and wine). The minute it passed, people were coming up with clever ways to get around it. Not just people like Al Capone smuggling in alcohol from Canada and other places, but people making bathtub gin, hillbillies setting up their stills up in the mountains, people claiming to be clergymen so they could sell wine under that loophole. Eventually, people figured out it was huge failure.

So, when you have an abortion law that will be a patchwork of different rules in different states, with abortion pills that can be sent in the mail, with OB/GYN's who will just write down they did a pelvic exam when they perform an abortion, you are going to have a law that is going to be largely unenforceable. Particularly since no one has any taste for putting a woman in prison for getting an abortion.

I agree with the last part just tell them to do it before they have to kill their child in the womb! Last thing, even though biology, which is science, is the reason the woman carries it the man still receives no rights even though it is his child as well

It's her body and her choice. Here's the other problem you guys don't really contend with. We have a law called HIPAA, which means your doctor cannot discuss ANY part of your medical history with anyone, period. Heck, my wife had to sign a bunch of waivers to just be able to get her doctor to discuss her medical issues with me. (As my wife had limited proficiency in English, I often need to translate for her.)

So how are you going to tell the abortions from the miscarriages, or for that matter, even know when a woman was pregnant in the first place?
 
Okay, let's dissect this word salad.

I feel no guilt about abortion one way or the other. I've never had one (being a dude), have never had to pay for one (because I've always used contraception or my partners did), and have no involvement. I used to be anti-abortion, until I realized it's kind of pointless to have a law no one will follow.

The prohibition comparison is valid. why did Prohibition fail? Well, to start with most people didn't want it. The Prohibitionists were a noisy minority that got this amendment passed because people didn't read it very closely. (People assumed that it would only apply to hard liquor, not beer and wine). The minute it passed, people were coming up with clever ways to get around it. Not just people like Al Capone smuggling in alcohol from Canada and other places, but people making bathtub gin, hillbillies setting up their stills up in the mountains, people claiming to be clergymen so they could sell wine under that loophole. Eventually, people figured out it was huge failure.

So, when you have an abortion law that will be a patchwork of different rules in different states, with abortion pills that can be sent in the mail, with OB/GYN's who will just write down they did a pelvic exam when they perform an abortion, you are going to have a law that is going to be largely unenforceable. Particularly since no one has any taste for putting a woman in prison for getting an abortion.



It's her body and her choice. Here's the other problem you guys don't really contend with. We have a law called HIPAA, which means your doctor cannot discuss ANY part of your medical history with anyone, period. Heck, my wife had to sign a bunch of waivers to just be able to get her doctor to discuss her medical issues with me. (As my wife had limited proficiency in English, I often need to translate for her.)

So how are you going to tell the abortions from the miscarriages, or for that matter, even know when a woman was pregnant in the first place?
Again, that it's her body is biology, it's how humans reproduce! Don't want to be pregnant don't have unprotected sex or give the Father the same choice!
 
Again, that it's her body is biology, it's how humans reproduce! Don't want to be pregnant don't have unprotected sex or give the Father the same choice!
Technology trumps biology.

If we followed biology, 10% of pregnant women would still die in childbirth and we'd have an infant mortality rate of 50%.
 
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