Zone1 Abortion and Transgender is Demonic

[Trickster]

One nation's position was a baby's ability to survive until its first birthday. What cannot be changed is when life begins. It begins at conception. Life can end at any point after conception. Whether that life is yet "human" seems a matter of opinion.

Human life does not begin at conception. A clump of cells is not a human being. It's alive like all our cells are alive. Suggesting life begins at conception is scientifically incorrect.

Eggs and sperms are alive, but is it life in the human sense? Both are single cell organisms, are you a single cell organism? At fertilization, we have a single cell embryo, NOT a human being.

Then 48 hours(!!!) has to pass before the first cell division and the new organism has to be implanted in uterus and also properly nurtured which is not even always successful. Now, is it murder when unsuccessful? 50% never make it.

I do not think I even need to continue the presentation of the full process because your notion is already disproven.

Bottom line is that you are conflating the potential with the actual and potentials do not have rights.

 

[Meriweather]

Human life does not begin at conception. A clump of cells is not a human being. It's alive like all our cells are alive. Suggesting life begins at conception is scientifically incorrect.

Eggs and sperms are alive, but is it life in the human sense? Both are single cell organisms, are you a single cell organism? At fertilization, we have a single cell embryo, NOT a human being.

Then 48 hours(!!!) has to pass before the first cell division and the new organism has to be implanted in uterus and also properly nurtured which is not even always successful. Now, is it murder when unsuccessful? 50% never make it.

I do not think I even need to continue the presentation of the full process because ,notion is already disproven.

Bottom line is that you are conflating the potential with the actual and potentials do not have rights.

What is the result if cells are not removed?

 

[Trickster]

What is the result if cells are not removed?

I don't think I understand your question.

 

[Trickster]

To all anti-abortionists:
What are your views on IVF (specifically discarded embryos) and contraceptives?

 

[Meriweather]

I don't think I understand your question.

My sister had cellular growth. She wanted to know what kind of cells, were they benign, what would they do? It was determined they were cancer cells and if they were not removed they were going to spread further into her liver and could possibly metastasize and spread to other body parts. She elected to have the cancer cells removed. If it had already spread into her liver, she elected to have that part of the liver removed.

You said conception just meant a clump of cells were being formed. What kind of cells? What would happen if they were ignored because, after all, it's just a clump of cells. Why not let them be?

 

[Trickster]

My sister had cellular growth. She wanted to know what kind of cells, were they benign, what would they do? It was determined they were cancer cells and if they were not removed they were going to spread further into her liver and could possibly metastasize and spread to other body parts. She elected to have the cancer cells removed. If it had already spread into her liver, she elected to have that part of the liver removed.

I am sincerely disheartened to hear that and hope your sister is okay now and that you stayed strong through the process.

I have been through chemo myself.

You said conception just meant a clump of cells were being formed. What kind of cells? What would happen if they were ignored because, after all, it's just a clump of cells. Why not let them be?

Well, if ignored it will probably die. But, even non-ignored pregnancy result in miscarriage too. Pregnancy is tough.

The decision should always be the woman's.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

600 07 aatidxyz …~… “Conscience is the most sacred of all property; other property depending in part on positive law, the exercise of that being a natural and unalienable right.” James Madison

Meriweather aatidxyz00052 exercising her Catholic conscience scolds everybody who does not agree with her . …~… Face squarely what is being done. A human life is being slaughtered. Stop watering it down by calling slaughter a "right", a "choice", or "my body". It's not the woman's body being slaughtered, it is the body, belonging to another human life, that is being slaughtered. …~… Post Mar 22, 2025

whut I say aatidxyz00607 to 52 …~… I face it square in the face of God, if anybody wishes, that every time an abortion happens whether it is self-induced or due to natural cause, the fetus dies. However being a rational theist exercising my natural right to answer to my conscience, being informed by science and legal history including Jewish teaching on the sanctity of life beginning at birth, I religiously believe fetuses up 24 weeks do not have a physical or material or sell functioning brain and thus are not in possession of a conscience. By never having acquired consciousness with a conscience, fetuses are not subject to equal protection under the law, from their potential birth mother’s choice against giving birth.

Science can tell us the life of a human organism begins at conception but not when life of a person with a conscience loved by God actually begins. I fall back to Jewish belief in that case; that God breathes a soul into a fetus at birth and a child is born. That is the moment that our sanctity of life begins.

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[whutTHEYsay]

600 08 aatidxyz …~… All but Barrett of the six Catholic Republican justices on the Supreme Court appear to interpret the Constitution to be compatible with wealth managed Catholic and Evangelical Christian authoritarianism



Cougarbear eortbcgu00003 …~… The founding of this nation is based on Judeo-Christian principles. …~… Post Oct 9, 2024

Meriweather aatidxyz00584 …~… Try again, staying on the topic, which is human life. …~… Post Apr 10, 2025

Cougarbear aatidxyz00001 says “legal abortion like Republicans voted to have in Kansas, Ohio and a majority in Florida …~… causes chaos on the earth. Abortion is actually the sacrament of Satan. Abortion says you must die so I (Satan) can live.

whut I say aatidxyz00608 to 584 …~… The topic is not human life according to the OP who says that when a woman has an abortion she is performing the Sacrament of Satan, which causes chaos in the world? So do you agree with Saint Cougarbear Republican Party Biblical worldview?

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[Monk-Eye]

" Us Republic Espouses Independence Of The Individual "

* Say What You See *

Mumbo jumbo

A subjective perception of artistic conjecture become observations of perspective .

A retort of " mumbo jumbo " relates yearn own retort is only capable of providing " mumbo jumbo " .


* Weigh Any Way *

The success criteria of nature for physical survival has not change , so stop confusing the literal meaning of an after life , which is genetic continuance , with metaphorical means by which to achieve an afterlife , which is your creed .

Both torahnism and qurayshism are nomian , genetic religions , and religious polities of each city state - 613 mitzvot in israel - sharia of hejaz , do not apply outside of those city states .

By definition , antinomianism can not be based on nomianism .

A subjective altruism of ego is that its introspection should exist in perpetuity , however the introspection from every instance of ego does need to not exist in perpetuity to satisfy a subjective altruism of ego .

 

[HeyNorm]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

HAHAHA HAHA... Are you OK?

A woman has the right to her own life and pursuit of happiness. It is her body and her choice and your God's penis is not to be forced inside anyone else. Suck on it as hard you want yourself.

Cool, except the fetus is a seperate being.

 

[Meriweather]

Well, if ignored it will probably die. But, even non-ignored pregnancy result in miscarriage too. Pregnancy is tough.

The decision should always be the woman's.

1. So parents shouldn't go behind their daughter's back, have a doctor advise their teen the fetus was dead and should be immediately removed?

2. When a teen went to her high school counselor for help on how to tell her parents she was pregnant, the teen shouldn't have been hustles into an abortion clinic with no parental knowledge?

3. A husband should never say to his wife, "You abort or I'll divorce."

Ever hear of Milgrim? Ever hear of a medical field that felt it was a shame that all the money rich people spent on abortions was being spent in another country? Ever hear of the legal/political problems trampled on with how Roe v Wade was handled?

Let's go back to Milgrim whose experiments showed that two-thirds of those who were told by someone in authority it was okay to cause pain (to the point of torture) would do so. Fast forward to the aboriton decision. Seven people on the US Supreme were the authority used by the medical community (rubbing their hands over the profits abortions would bring to them). And look at all of society was being soothed and played with oh, so pretty words....It was a "right"; it wasn't "human". It wasn't "Pro-Abortion" it was "Pro-Choice". Politicians and those who see wealth theirs for the taking know exactly how to soothe and play their sheeple. "Close your eyes, your ears...and give us your money..."

It's so easy to show a time-line of the human life--from conception to natural death. Quite easy to point out at exactly what point a life will be ended. Some tried for it to be mandatory to show women exactly where the life within them was being ended. But....

"No, no" said the wealthy whisperers. "Don't upset our cash cows, keep them calm and soothed. It's a right, a choice, not human, just a clump of cells...."

And that, my friend, is why I never have and never will think of the mothers as "murderers". They aren't the ones who are sucking out human life and disposing of the slaughter taking place. No, this murderer, this Grim Reaper, is the rich and powerful in our society, the driving force that starts the lemmings running off the cliff, the buffaloes stampeding across the plains. Except--it's not lemmings; it's not buffaloes; it's human beings.

ding proposes something much kinder than I would. I be much more blunt. The rich and powerful should say, "Since we can make money off of this, your abortion will not be prosecuted. What you must do to have an abortion is to come in with your eyes open, point on the time-line and to the picture of where you are asserting you are pro-abortion and want to end the life within you; you must watch the procedure; you will be given the remains for you to personally dispose of; and told to pay on the way out."

All I'm proposing is to get rid of the pretty packaging around abortion and be brutally honest. That is what makes it a true choice.

 

[Trickster]

Cool, except the fetus is a seperate being.

No, it literally is not as it lives inside and off of the woman. Get your definitions checked.

 

[Trickster]

1. So parents shouldn't go behind their daughter's back, have a doctor advise their teen the fetus was dead and should be immediately removed?

Wtf are we even talking about?

2. When a teen went to her high school counselor for help on how to tell her parents she was pregnant, the teen shouldn't have been hustles into an abortion clinic with no parental knowledge?

if she goes to the counsellor first rather than mom and dad it seems tp me she is from a religious household and fears her parents. I honestly cannot imagine any good parent wanting their teenager to be a mother. If she is still in high school, she should have an abortion.

I am still confused about what we are even talking about here.

3. A husband should never say to his wife, "You abort or I'll divorce."

Of course not. It is her life!

Ever hear of Milgrim? Ever hear of a medical field that felt it was a shame that all the money rich people spent on abortions was being spent in another country? Ever hear of the legal/political problems trampled on with how Roe v Wade was handled?

Let's go back to Milgrim whose experiments showed that two-thirds of those who were told by someone in authority it was okay to cause pain (to the point of torture) would do so. Fast forward to the aboriton decision. Seven people on the US Supreme were the authority used by the medical community (rubbing their hands over the profits abortions would bring to them). And look at all of society was being soothed and played with oh, so pretty words....It was a "right"; it wasn't "human". It wasn't "Pro-Abortion" it was "Pro-Choice". Politicians and those who see wealth theirs for the taking know exactly how to soothe and play their sheeple. "Close your eyes, your ears...and give us your money..."

It's so easy to show a time-line of the human life--from conception to natural death. Quite easy to point out at exactly what point a life will be ended. Some tried for it to be mandatory to show women exactly where the life within them was being ended. But....

"No, no" said the wealthy whisperers. "Don't upset our cash cows, keep them calm and soothed. It's a right, a choice, not human, just a clump of cells...."

And that, my friend, is why I never have and never will think of the mothers as "murderers". They aren't the ones who are sucking out human life and disposing of the slaughter taking place. No, this murderer, this Grim Reaper, is the rich and powerful in our society, the driving force that starts the lemmings running off the cliff, the buffaloes stampeding across the plains. Except--it's not lemmings; it's not buffaloes; it's human beings.

ding proposes something much kinder than I would. I be much more blunt. The rich and powerful should say, "Since we can make money off of this, your abortion will not be prosecuted. What you must do to have an abortion is to come in with your eyes open, point on the time-line and to the picture of where you are asserting you are pro-abortion and want to end the life within you; you must watch the procedure; you will be given the remains for you to personally dispose of; and told to pay on the way out."

All I'm proposing is to get rid of the pretty packaging around abortion and be brutally honest. That is what makes it a true choice.

Are you drunk?

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Obvious Missed Ewe "

* Suffering Must Be Possible For Empathy To Be Valid *

Welcoming and supporting new life is callous indifference?

Meh thinks ewe are confusing demanding with welcoming and supporting .

Yearn callous indifference is to suffering as an ethical standard , whether it be slavery , or a physical capacity for sentience in a fetus .

The callous indifference to suffering by the abortion anti-choice includes its penchant to punish the victimless crimes to satiate its misconstrued conjectures about a will of some goad .

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Are you drunk?

Saint Meriweather and Saint Ding are drunk with Catholic self~denial of fanatical religious self~righteousness.

I’ve noticed with both what drives them to distance their argument from any poster on the side of individual liberty for fertile women who commit the “sin” of becoming pregnant unintentionally.

They both cannot rationally deal with any defender of female human liberty who tells them a unique one of a kind life on the human life continuum dies when a free woman intentionally terminates her pregnancy


600 07 aatidxyz …~… “Conscience is the most sacred of all property; other property depending in part on positive law, the exercise of that being a natural and unalienable right.” James Madison

Meriweather aatidxyz00052 exercising her Catholic conscience scolds everybody who does not agree with her . …~… Face squarely what is being done. A human life is being slaughtered. Stop watering it down by calling slaughter a "right", a "choice", or "my body". It's not the woman's body being slaughtered, it is the body, belonging to another human life, that is being slaughtered. …~… Post Mar 22, 2025

whut I say aatidxyz00607 to 52 …~… I face it square in the face of God, if anybody wishes, that every time an abortion happens whether it is self-induced or due to natural cause, the fetus dies. However being a rational theist exercising my natural right to answer to my conscience, being informed by science and legal history including Jewish teaching on the sanctity of life beginning at birth, I religiously believe fetuses up to 24 weeks at least, do not have a physical or material or self-functioning brain and thus are not in possession of a conscience. By never having acquired consciousness with a conscience, fetuses are not subject to equal protection under the law, from their potential birth mother’s choice against giving birth.

Science can tell us the life of a human organism begins at conception but not when life of a person with a conscience loved by God actually begins. I fall back to Jewish belief in that case; that God breathes a soul into a fetus at birth and a child is born. That is the moment that our sanctity of life begins.

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[whutTHEYsay]

600 16 ~ aatidxyz

Pregnancy is tough.

The decision should always be the woman's.

whut I say …~… you are correct. All born humans are entitled to freedom of conscience in privacy, unless they are suspected or caught in the act of interfering in the rights of others or doing serious harm to the general public or civil society as a whole.

Cool, except the fetus is a seperate being.

whut I say …~… Do you know scientifically when GOD considers a fetus to be advanced from a material body to a spiritual human being.

All I'm proposing is to get rid of the pretty packaging around abortion and be brutally honest. That is what makes it a true choice.

whut I say …~… That does not appear to be all you are proposing because I have removed all pretty packaging from a woman’s freedom of choice to kill an unborn human in her belly for several years now and you cannot acknowledge that

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[whutTHEYsay]

600 17 aatidxyz …~… just say no to church/state rule ~ VOTE BLUE

Cougarbear eortbcgu00003 …~… The first amendment was written to protect Christian beliefs because there were those in the founding of our nation that also wanted God to be eliminated from the hearts and minds of the people. …~… Post Oct 9, 2024

whut I say aatidxyz00617 …~… Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Paine, and Allen were founders, who wanted “original sin” eliminated from the hearts and minds of the people, but they certainly did not want to eliminate “God”.

Who are you talking about Saint Cougarbear?


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[Trickster]

Saint Meriweather and Saint Ding are drunk with Catholic self~denial of fanatical religious self~righteousness.

Definitely too much communion wine.

I’ve noticed with both what drives them to distance their argument from any poster on the side of individual liberty for fertile women who commit the “sin” of becoming pregnant unintentionally.

They both cannot rationally deal with any defender of female human liberty who tells them a unique one of a kind life on the human life continuum dies when a free woman intentionally terminates her pregnancy

It is clearly an act of evasion and self-deception. Their metaphysical foundation has been completely shaken by the facts of reality, but they still cannot let go of their faith even though they know that they are wrong.

Just look at how they both do not even seem to understand the implications of their premises -- a ZEF is a human being and thus has right to life. Abortion ends this life, buuut somehow they are reluctant to call it murder and suggest the woman be charged with that. Like, wtf?

The only possible explanations to these logical somersaults are:
I. They are lying. Their ultimate goal is to criminalize abortion, but they are too much of cowards to point it out.
II. They do not actially believe in any of the bs themselves and are just trying to convince themselves their faith is good.
III. They are brainwashed Sunday school graduates with automated talking points.

There was a time when these people were honest and just said "God says so." Now that they know that that argumeny is idiotic they try to use science to argue for their case which only results in non-scientifoc garbage like "life begins at conception". I have pointed out to all of them why this is incorrect and they just avoid the points or change the topic.

There is nothing as hateful as Christian love.

 

[Trickster]

IN ADDITION:

They are knowingly misusing concepts strictly for the purpose of emotional manipulation. A typical Abrahamic shaming tactic.

• A woman with no children is called a "mother".
• A ZEF is called a "baby" or a "child".
• Spam the anti-concept "unborn" to attach existence to the non-existent.

It is too silly.

These people must be bullied into silence or deported to Afghanistanwhich is a place that begter alligns with their views.

 

[Trickster]

600 17 aatidxyz …~… just say no to church/state rule ~ VOTE BLUE

Cougarbear eortbcgu00003 …~… The first amendment was written to protect Christian beliefs because there were those in the founding of our nation that also wanted God to be eliminated from the hearts and minds of the people. …~… Post Oct 9, 2024

whut I say aatidxyz00617 …~… Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Paine, and Allen were founders, who wanted “original sin” eliminated from the hearts and minds of the people, but they certainly did not want to eliminate “God”.

Who are you talking about Saint Cougarbear?


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I want them to answer my questions about IVF and the morning-after pill. If they think "life begins at conception" then is the fertility clinic guilty of murder when embryos are discarded? What about the teenage girl who experoences love for the first time and takes a pill not to reck her entire future?