A third party signed up 15,000 voters in Arizona. Democrats worry that’s enough for a Biden spoiler

[dblack]

It is. And no amount of whining and pie in the sky wishing will change that. Only changing the system will change that.

And the system won't change until voters grow some balls and reject the two party shit show.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You claimed i was a right wing nationalist.

I

Don't resort to lying. You claimed i was a right wing nationalist. If you're now walking that back, good call. You were wrong.

I said:

"Yes, that's how rabid right wing nationalists describe peole voting in one's economic self-interest. And always have."

And that's a fact. That's your problem, not mine.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And the system won't change until voters grow some balls and reject the two party shit show.

By changing the system. No, your third party fantasies will never happen, otherwise. And in fact, in the current system, you just end up casting a net vote for the major party candidate you least prefer.

Nice job.

 

[dblack]

"Yes, that's how rabid right wing nationalists describe peole voting in one's economic self-interest. And always have."

Don't be such an evasive coward. You said:

Yet you are regurgitating their pet talking point.

So rabid right wing nationalist it is.

But like I said, if you're admitting you were wrong, I can respect that. Everyone makes mistakes.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Don't be such an evasive coward. You said:

But like I said, if you're admitting you were wrong, I can respect that. Everyone makes mistakes.

You can say christ is the messiah then claim you aren't a Christian.

But people will laugh.

I don't know what you are. But if that talking point is the best and only thing you have, you have labeled yourself.

 

[dblack]

By changing the system.

The one thing both parties agree on is that we should not change the system.

And in fact, in the current system, you just end up casting a net vote for the major party candidate you least prefer.

This is the insidious lie at the core of the lesser of two evils con. Fuck you for perpetuating it.

 

[dblack]

I said:

You said what I quoted. Own it, or skulk away in shame.

Do you have no dignity at all?

 

[dblack]

Literally the only point that you are ever right about.
But you are consistently right on this one.

It's so nice when partisans can agree. Third party voters are the enemy!!!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The one thing both parties agree on is that we should not change the system.

Not entirwlyy true. Some candidates propose public funding of elections. Some, outlawing PACs. But still mostly true. It's a tough problem.

It's so nice when partisans can agree. Third party voters are the enemy!!!

Nobody said that.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Remember, in the nation that brags to the world about being the "Land of the Free" and a standard-bearer of democracy worldwide, you should only be allowed two choices. Everyone else is a "spoiler." Your only choices should be Bad and Worse.

A third party signed up 15,000 voters in Arizona. Democrats worry that's enough for a Biden spoiler

More than 15,000 people in Arizona have registered to join a new political party floating a possible bipartisan “unity ticket” against Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

apnews.com

And you'll find so many people will reject Proportional Represenation.

Some will say it's "mob rule", as if we should say we have "democracy", but really we don't want democracy because we know we'll lose. Others will say the US already has "proportional representation" because they simply have no idea what they're talking about.

Others will say "we're not Europe" as if that explains anything.. others will just ignore because they love the entertainment factor they get right now, and they might struggle if they had to actually understand what a political party actually stands for, rather than two plastic parties.

 

[dblack]

Not entirwlyy true. Some candidates propose public funding of elections. Some, outlawing PACs. But still mostly true. It's a tough problem.


Nobody said that.

All i can really do is laugh. Utter bullshit. Public funding of elections is a joke. The current sitting government should be allowed to decide who challenges them? Yeah, great idea.

The only reform on the horizon that holds promise is ranked choice voting, and the partisans uniformly oppose it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And you'll find so many people will reject Proportional Represenation.

Some will say it's "mob rule", as if we should say we have "democracy", but really we don't want democracy because we know we'll lose. Others will say the US already has "proportional representation" because they simply have no idea what they're talking about.

Others will say "we're not Europe" as if that explains anything.. others will just ignore because they love the entertainment factor they get right now, and they might struggle if they had to actually understand what a political party actually stands for, rather than two plastic parties.

How DARE they call third oarty candidates "spoilers"... wen literally every fact of American history shows its fact.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Public funding of elections is a joke.

Shaman Dblack has spoken!



Okay, we'll go with your fantasy of pointing at people and telling them to do stuff.

 

[Billiejeens]

It's so nice when partisans can agree. Third party voters are the enemy!!!

Not the enemy
Just crazy

 

[dblack]

Not the enemy
Just crazy

I'll take crazy over corrupt cowardly pussies any day.

 

[Billiejeens]

I'll take crazy over corrupt cowardly pussies any day.

Great!
Do you not consider yourself "partisan"?

 

[dblack]

Great!
Do you not consider yourself "partisan"?

Nope. I'm better than that. I vote principle over party, every time. I generally vote Libertarian, but only when the candidate is consistent with my values. And lately, I've come to value consensus more than ever. If hell freezes over, and either the Ds or the Rs nominate a candidate who wants to represent the entire country, and not just their partisan stooges, I'll vote for them. But I'm not holding my breath. Those types are generally considered traitors by the brainwashed partisan core.

The main is, I won't fall for the chickenshit fear mongering. If the only way you can promote your candidate is to claim that they're not as bad as the "other" candidate (meaning the other two-party douchebag), you lose.

 

[Billiejeens]

Nope. I'm better than that. I vote principle over party, every time. I generally vote Libertarian, but only when the candidate is consistent with my values. And lately, I've come to value consensus more than ever. If hell freezes over, and the Ds or Rs nominate a candidate who wants to represent the entire country, and not just their partisan stooges, I'll vote for them. But I'm not holding my breath. Those types are generally considered traitors by the brainwashed partisan core.

The main is, I won't fall for the chickenshit fear mongering. If the only way you can promote your candidate is to claim that they're not as bad as the "other" candidate (meaning the other two-party douchebag), you lose.

You just described being partisan.

 

[dblack]

You just described being partisan.

Mkay. Your point of view is "suspect" at best. So forgive me if I dismiss it as partisan bullshit out of the gate.

 

[Billiejeens]

Mkay. Your point of view is "suspect" at best. So forgive me if I dismiss it as partisan bullshit out of the gate.

You are 100% partisan
Just not to a D or an R.