A socialist hell on earth

[Iceweasel]

It all exists on a continuum.

Pure socialism is clearly to the left of democratic socialism.
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What is pure socialism and what is democratic about socialism?

 

[Iceweasel]

It all exists on a continuum.

Pure socialism is clearly to the left of democratic socialism.
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I don't see the difference how many people are removing the rights of others. Why is mob rule better than a dictatorship? In many ways, i'ss worse

A German corporation is owned by its stockholders.

A "business" in Cuba is owned by Cuba.

That's the difference.

Everything else exists on a continuum.
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Germany isn't socialist, it's capitalist. It is a capitalist democracy, not a socialist democracy. Liberals have fooled you into the soft sell. Greece is what happens when people believe too much.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

3rd world countries...you mean where you cant drink the water....where wealthy make all the decisions to continue their wealth...where health care is lacking...the list goes on and on ....and it applies to the us...

Like Flint after the you let the Democrats run it for three generations

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

All you liberals claim that democratic socialist are different somehow.
I see them as true socialist who haven't made the grade just yet.
Take a look at those democratic socialist states in Europe and whats happening to them..the so called democratic socialist are turning them into the exact same hell hole we call Venezuela by flooding them with muslim immigrants and destroying Nationalism.
Doesnt sound very democratic to me.

 

[Seawytch]

It all exists on a continuum.

Pure socialism is clearly to the left of democratic socialism.
.

I don't see the difference how many people are removing the rights of others. Why is mob rule better than a dictatorship? In many ways, i'ss worse

A German corporation is owned by its stockholders.

A "business" in Cuba is owned by Cuba.

That's the difference.

Everything else exists on a continuum.
.

Germany isn't socialist, it's capitalist. It is a capitalist democracy, not a socialist democracy. Liberals have fooled you into the soft sell. Greece is what happens when people believe too much.

And yet Germany has all the same things Bernie would like to bring to the US...universal healthcare and free college. Huh, funny that.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

It all exists on a continuum.

Pure socialism is clearly to the left of democratic socialism.
.

I don't see the difference how many people are removing the rights of others. Why is mob rule better than a dictatorship? In many ways, i'ss worse

A German corporation is owned by its stockholders.

A "business" in Cuba is owned by Cuba.

That's the difference.

Everything else exists on a continuum.
.

Germany isn't socialist, it's capitalist. It is a capitalist democracy, not a socialist democracy. Liberals have fooled you into the soft sell. Greece is what happens when people believe too much.

And yet Germany has all the same things Bernie would like to bring to the US...universal healthcare and free college. Huh, funny that.

....and muslim terrorist,dont forget the muslim terrorist.

 

[Iceweasel]

It all exists on a continuum.

Pure socialism is clearly to the left of democratic socialism.
.

I don't see the difference how many people are removing the rights of others. Why is mob rule better than a dictatorship? In many ways, i'ss worse

A German corporation is owned by its stockholders.

A "business" in Cuba is owned by Cuba.

That's the difference.

Everything else exists on a continuum.
.

Germany isn't socialist, it's capitalist. It is a capitalist democracy, not a socialist democracy. Liberals have fooled you into the soft sell. Greece is what happens when people believe too much.

And yet Germany has all the same things Bernie would like to bring to the US...universal healthcare and free college. Huh, funny that.

LOL, funny as hell. Free? Holy fuck you're dumb, you must be a liberal. Germans pay taxes out the ass and have payed $5 for gas long long ago so help fund all their "free" shit.

 

[Seawytch]

It all exists on a continuum.

Pure socialism is clearly to the left of democratic socialism.
.

I don't see the difference how many people are removing the rights of others. Why is mob rule better than a dictatorship? In many ways, i'ss worse

A German corporation is owned by its stockholders.

A "business" in Cuba is owned by Cuba.

That's the difference.

Everything else exists on a continuum.
.

Germany isn't socialist, it's capitalist. It is a capitalist democracy, not a socialist democracy. Liberals have fooled you into the soft sell. Greece is what happens when people believe too much.

And yet Germany has all the same things Bernie would like to bring to the US...universal healthcare and free college. Huh, funny that.

LOL, funny as hell. Free? Holy fuck you're dumb, you must be a liberal. Germans pay taxes out the ass and have payed $5 for gas long long ago so help fund all their "free" shit.

So Bernie wasn't going to do that, raise taxes to pay for his healthcare and college plan?

 

[imawhosure]

Socialism = Slavery to the state.

Yep and Capitalism = Slavery to money.

No more than breathing is "slavery" to oxygen. Capitalism is economic freedom. Money is just the denomination you work in. Customers, businesses, employers, employees, all make their own best decision. As shitty a decision people often make for themselves, empowering people to make decisions for others is inevitably worse

Hey, don't let these people redefine SOCIALISM to make it more palatable by putting DEMOCRATIC in front of it.

If they want to define a country as DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST, then,

1. Show us where the government says that is what they are.

2. After they prove that they are, then lets start comparing what they live in, what they drive, and the price of their goods with the United States.

3. Then lets see what their tax rates are.

These people insisting it is peaches and cream are either naive, or know better and are trying to deceive. Who wants their family living in 800sq feet? Anyone?

That's fine, but here's what actually happening: While conservatives are screaming "SOCIALISM! SOCIALISM! AAAAUUGGHHH!", liberals are making the case for it. And where are we now?

We've now reached a point where people are looking at government programs many conservatives would call "socialism" - Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and many others - and saying "oh, well, if that's socialism, then I must be for socialism". In other words, the Right has made it easier for the Left to make its case.

If the Right wants to win this argument, it should stop just screaming "SOCIALISM!" -- which is clearly no longer scaring people as it used to -- and make its case for an alternative, for a change. It may be too late for that, anyway.
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Sorry Mac, gotta disagree with you on this one. The SOCIALIST model, DEMOCRATIC in front of it or not, will be put on trial to the American public if the nominee is Bernie. The Socialists on here can play patty-cake all they want now, but as soon as the commercials come out if Bernie is the victor on the Democratic side about what things cost over there, how much of their money they are left with after they are taxed to pay for the "free" stuff will bury him.

At this moment, nobody on the GOP side is attacking Sanders to much, because they like the idea he is making life miserable for Hillary. It is akin to the left talking nicely about Rubio and Kasich, as they claim they want Trump, but actually want him to go away because he has the "enthusiasm" thing going for him.

Let me put it this way--------------> I don't think Bernie has a chance against ANY of the GOP candidates once their sights are set on him. But....................if the GOP would actually lose to Bernie, then they can't beat any of the Democratic nominees, thus making it the Democrats or DNCs job to stop him in the primaries. Know what? That is not the GOPs job if SOCIALISM is a bad thing in both party's eyes. That means if it is the DNCs job cause the GOP can't win, I am off the hook because this election, I have little to do with the DNC, and so are you of the hook I think! What would you have me(most of us) do? Start supporting Hillary to stop Bernie, lol!

 

[Iceweasel]

I don't see the difference how many people are removing the rights of others. Why is mob rule better than a dictatorship? In many ways, i'ss worse

A German corporation is owned by its stockholders.

A "business" in Cuba is owned by Cuba.

That's the difference.

Everything else exists on a continuum.
.

Germany isn't socialist, it's capitalist. It is a capitalist democracy, not a socialist democracy. Liberals have fooled you into the soft sell. Greece is what happens when people believe too much.

And yet Germany has all the same things Bernie would like to bring to the US...universal healthcare and free college. Huh, funny that.

LOL, funny as hell. Free? Holy fuck you're dumb, you must be a liberal. Germans pay taxes out the ass and have payed $5 for gas long long ago so help fund all their "free" shit.

So Bernie wasn't going to do that, raise taxes to pay for his healthcare and college plan?

He would have to, like they do. And I don't want to pay for someone else's college, or health care for that matter.

 

[Edgetho]

All you liberals claim that democratic socialist are different somehow.
I see them as true socialist who haven't made the grade just yet.
Take a look at those democratic socialist states in Europe and whats happening to them..the so called democratic socialist are turning them into the exact same hell hole we call Venezuela by flooding them with muslim immigrants and destroying Nationalism.
Doesnt sound very democratic to me.

European Countries are more 'social democrats' than they are democratic socialists.

The numbskulls running around here trying to define 'socialism' are pathetically amusing.

It can't be defined because there has never been a successful socialist State.

It would be like Plato trying to define electricity. Like Da Vinci trying to define a turbo fan Jet engine.

Not only would it be impossible to understand, it would be impossible for either to explain because there is no possibility of one existing at the time.

Is a working socialist government and economy possible at some point in the future?

Sure it is. But not now. Not in this Century.

What our board 'socialists' are too stupid to understand is that even Marx understood that society has to go through a Capitalist period before it can make socialism work.

He didn't say how long.... Maybe a thousand years. Maybe a few hundred. But it has to be done.

You just can't jump from a barely surviving Capitalist Society to a highly structured socialist society and expect anything but abject failure.

socialism isn't evil. Today's modern practitioners of it, however, are.

And stupid. I mean, mouth-breathing, drool-cup-carrying stupid.

Einstein's definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time.

dimocraps are insane. And stupid. And evil.

And the scum of the earth

 

[Wildman]

"Democratic Socialist"

you spelled "DEMONIC SOCIALIST" wrong !!

 

[FJO]

I don't see the difference how many people are removing the rights of others. Why is mob rule better than a dictatorship? In many ways, i'ss worse

A German corporation is owned by its stockholders.

A "business" in Cuba is owned by Cuba.

That's the difference.

Everything else exists on a continuum.
.

Germany isn't socialist, it's capitalist. It is a capitalist democracy, not a socialist democracy. Liberals have fooled you into the soft sell. Greece is what happens when people believe too much.

And yet Germany has all the same things Bernie would like to bring to the US...universal healthcare and free college. Huh, funny that.

LOL, funny as hell. Free? Holy fuck you're dumb, you must be a liberal. Germans pay taxes out the ass and have payed $5 for gas long long ago so help fund all their "free" shit.

So Bernie wasn't going to do that, raise taxes to pay for his healthcare and college plan?

Bernie has been promising to tax the "rich" to pay for all the things he promised to be free, but he has been strangely silent about how much the taxes of the not rich would need to be raised.

Dupes who believe his wild pie in the sky promises that taxing only the "rich" would pay for all the free goodies have another think coming.

 

[Seawytch]

A German corporation is owned by its stockholders.

A "business" in Cuba is owned by Cuba.

That's the difference.

Everything else exists on a continuum.
.

Germany isn't socialist, it's capitalist. It is a capitalist democracy, not a socialist democracy. Liberals have fooled you into the soft sell. Greece is what happens when people believe too much.

And yet Germany has all the same things Bernie would like to bring to the US...universal healthcare and free college. Huh, funny that.

LOL, funny as hell. Free? Holy fuck you're dumb, you must be a liberal. Germans pay taxes out the ass and have payed $5 for gas long long ago so help fund all their "free" shit.

So Bernie wasn't going to do that, raise taxes to pay for his healthcare and college plan?

He would have to, like they do. And I don't want to pay for someone else's college, or health care for that matter.

You already are paying for someone else's healthcare. Less so with the passing of the ACA and now in a far less expensive manner than before it was passed.

You're missing the point. America under Bernie Sanders would not turn into Venezuela, we would turn into Germany, Canada, Sweden, Norway, etc. The OP is nothing but a misunderstanding of Bernie Sanders proposals...and of socialism, especially Democratic Socialism.

 

[Seawytch]

A German corporation is owned by its stockholders.

A "business" in Cuba is owned by Cuba.

That's the difference.

Everything else exists on a continuum.
.

Germany isn't socialist, it's capitalist. It is a capitalist democracy, not a socialist democracy. Liberals have fooled you into the soft sell. Greece is what happens when people believe too much.

And yet Germany has all the same things Bernie would like to bring to the US...universal healthcare and free college. Huh, funny that.

LOL, funny as hell. Free? Holy fuck you're dumb, you must be a liberal. Germans pay taxes out the ass and have payed $5 for gas long long ago so help fund all their "free" shit.

So Bernie wasn't going to do that, raise taxes to pay for his healthcare and college plan?

Bernie has been promising to tax the "rich" to pay for all the things he promised to be free, but he has been strangely silent about how much the taxes of the not rich would need to be raised.

Dupes who believe his wild pie in the sky promises that taxing only the "rich" would pay for all the free goodies have another think coming.

No, he hasn't been silent. He's been very up front about the fact that your taxes would go up under a universal healthcare plan. He's also explained how much less you will actually pay because you're not paying insurance premiums.

 

[imawhosure]

All you liberals claim that democratic socialist are different somehow.
I see them as true socialist who haven't made the grade just yet.
Take a look at those democratic socialist states in Europe and whats happening to them..the so called democratic socialist are turning them into the exact same hell hole we call Venezuela by flooding them with muslim immigrants and destroying Nationalism.
Doesnt sound very democratic to me.

European Countries are more 'social democrats' than they are democratic socialists.

The numbskulls running around here trying to define 'socialism' are pathetically amusing.

It can't be defined because there has never been a successful socialist State.

It would be like Plato trying to define electricity. Like Da Vinci trying to define a turbo fan Jet engine.

Not only would it be impossible to understand, it would be impossible for either to explain because there is no possibility of one existing at the time.

Is a working socialist government and economy possible at some point in the future?

Sure it is. But not now. Not in this Century.

What our board 'socialists' are too stupid to understand is that even Marx understood that society has to go through a Capitalist period before it can make socialism work.

He didn't say how long.... Maybe a thousand years. Maybe a few hundred. But it has to be done.

You just can't jump from a barely surviving Capitalist Society to a highly structured socialist society and expect anything but abject failure.

socialism isn't evil. Today's modern practitioners of it, however, are.

And stupid. I mean, mouth-breathing, drool-cup-carrying stupid.

Einstein's definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time.

dimocraps are insane. And stupid. And evil.

And the scum of the earth

As Marx proclaimed, "voters are useful idiots!" We seem to have a bunch of socialist, "useful idiots" on here, Marx would be proud!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Bernies plans are nothing like the type of Socialism instituted in Venezuela.

Socialism is socialism. His brand of socialism is the hammer cocked on a gun ready to fire.

How much socialism in the US has been imposed on you at the barrel of a gun?

How much socialism in the US has circumvented the democratic process?

 

[Iceweasel]

Germany isn't socialist, it's capitalist. It is a capitalist democracy, not a socialist democracy. Liberals have fooled you into the soft sell. Greece is what happens when people believe too much.

And yet Germany has all the same things Bernie would like to bring to the US...universal healthcare and free college. Huh, funny that.

LOL, funny as hell. Free? Holy fuck you're dumb, you must be a liberal. Germans pay taxes out the ass and have payed $5 for gas long long ago so help fund all their "free" shit.

So Bernie wasn't going to do that, raise taxes to pay for his healthcare and college plan?

He would have to, like they do. And I don't want to pay for someone else's college, or health care for that matter.

You already are paying for someone else's healthcare. Less so with the passing of the ACA and now in a far less expensive manner than before it was passed.

You're missing the point. America under Bernie Sanders would not turn into Venezuela, we would turn into Germany, Canada, Sweden, Norway, etc. The OP is nothing but a misunderstanding of Bernie Sanders proposals...and of socialism, especially Democratic Socialism.

I'm not paying less now, what are you talking about? You're like a Moonie with beliefs and that's as far as it goes for you. Many people are paying much more for much less. I had a great health insurance plan, gone now.

You're missing the point, Europe is taking in Muslim invaders so they might have a prayer for paying for their lifestyles because the population is aging without enough to grease the wheels.

It is happening here and Bernies solution is 180 degrees from what will fix it.

 

[Edgetho]

You're missing the point. America under Bernie Sanders would not turn into Venezuela, we would turn into Germany, Canada, Sweden, Norway, etc. The OP is nothing but a misunderstanding of Bernie Sanders proposals...and of socialism, especially Democratic Socialism.

No, we wouldn't. We'd turn into Greece.

You just don't understand our demographics. Which is a product of wishful thinking on your part.

You people can't even make a simple economy like Capitalism work, and you expect to make a VERY complicated socialist economy work?

Stupidity at its finest.

Americans don't have the same work ethic as the Germanic Tribes. Not even close.

You'd have Tens of Millions of Americans sitting around trying to scam everybody to the point that Atlas really would shrug.

I'd go into it deeper but that's all your limited intellect can handle

 

[Iceweasel]

Bernies plans are nothing like the type of Socialism instituted in Venezuela.

Socialism is socialism. His brand of socialism is the hammer cocked on a gun ready to fire.

How much socialism in the US has been imposed on you at the barrel of a gun?

How much socialism in the US has circumvented the democratic process?

All of the programs are enforced by the law, that means eventually cops will show up if you fail to fund them.

State ballot initiatives circumvent the republican form of democracy we were founded under and idiots who know only the title vote for things that become law for everyone.