A Simple Question for Barack, Earned

[Annie]

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[jreeves]

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Omg....get ready for a bunch of liberals claiming swiftboating....

 

[jreeves]

Omg....get ready for a bunch of liberals claiming swiftboating....

I know it's partisan but here you go.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR8p0bro9RM&feature=user[/ame]

 

[midcan5]

"Iraq did not attack us. Iraq did not threaten us. Our leaders knew it. Our invasion and occupation of Iraq were blatant, indefensible acts of aggression. Therefore, when the very first Iraqi was killed as the result of our actions, we had committed an act that was gravely immoral, and entirely unforgivable. Yet even now, most Americans desperately cling to the notion that our actions might still be redeemed."

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2006/10/missing-moral-center-murdering.html

 

[rayboyusmc]

It's not strong enough for swiftboating. One group went to meet him and he wasn't there. Why? Was there a valid reason such as McCain's missing the vote for the Veterans' increased benefits: he was at a fund raiser.

If he doesn't support the troops, why did he vote for this bill while McCain was out campaigning. Even Hillary showed up and voted. McCain wouldn't show up because he would have voted agains it.

Why should a politician go to Iraq? To find out the truth? You are going to get the sanitized upbeat everything is going frigging great version on Powerpoint.

This war was wrong from the beginning as earlier mentioned. But will we hold those who were the primary architects accountable? Hell no. We will just keep pimping the Bush line and accuse everyone who is against it as cut and run traitors.

No, this one will not get any traction.

But I did read that the RNC is hiring the guy who did the Swiftboating.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

It's not strong enough for swiftboating. One group went to meet him and he wasn't there. Why? Was there a valid reason such as McCain's missing the vote for the Veterans' increased benefits: he was at a fund raiser.

If he doesn't support the troops, why did he vote for this bill while McCain was out campaigning. Even Hillary showed up and voted. McCain wouldn't show up because he would have voted agains it.

Why should a politician go to Iraq? To find out the truth? You are going to get the sanitized upbeat everything is going frigging great version on Powerpoint.

This war was wrong from the beginning as earlier mentioned. But will we hold those who were the primary architects accountable? Hell no. We will just keep pimping the Bush line and accuse everyone who is against it as cut and run traitors.

No, this one will not get any traction.

But I did read that the RNC is hiring the guy who did the Swiftboating.

Remind me how we could have prevented 911? Using your logic since the Muslim terrorists had not actually committed an act of terror if we did not catch them in the act on the air craft we would have heard how the Government was "Fear Mongering" and "railroading" them, just like we have heard on every group caught in the US since 911.

In the case of Iraq we had a threat that would only get worse so we delat with it. Yet here you lot are claiming we had no reason to do anything.

Talk to your buddy Dogger about how Bush should have acted on a nebulous report in August that had no names, no dates, no targets and no suspected actions and how it was all Bush's fault for not "doing something" before 911.

We did something against Iraq and you dip shits whine like a stuck pig. We did something against people in new York and Florida and the Carolinas only to hear you lot complain the Government was "fear Mongering" and violating peoples rights by arresting them for committing crimes.

What you mean is that we should do nothing until we are attacked and then hope we are still around and can figure out "beyond any doubt" who attacked us ( and even then you will whine we did not prove it) before we threaten to talk bad to them.

 

[CharlestonChad]

We did something against people in new York and Florida and the Carolinas .

RGS, what does this mean? What did we do against people in ny, fl, and the carolinas?

 

[jreeves]

"Iraq did not attack us. Iraq did not threaten us. Our leaders knew it. Our invasion and occupation of Iraq were blatant, indefensible acts of aggression. Therefore, when the very first Iraqi was killed as the result of our actions, we had committed an act that was gravely immoral, and entirely unforgivable. Yet even now, most Americans desperately cling to the notion that our actions might still be redeemed."

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2006/10/missing-moral-center-murdering.html

Yep, Obama's explaination for the war we shouldn't have went in the first place. That doesn't explain what will happen if we leave and evidentily he doesn't care what would happen. As long as his poll numbers remain high.

 

[jreeves]

It's not strong enough for swiftboating. One group went to meet him and he wasn't there. Why? Was there a valid reason such as McCain's missing the vote for the Veterans' increased benefits: he was at a fund raiser.

If he doesn't support the troops, why did he vote for this bill while McCain was out campaigning. Even Hillary showed up and voted. McCain wouldn't show up because he would have voted agains it.

Why should a politician go to Iraq? To find out the truth? You are going to get the sanitized upbeat everything is going frigging great version on Powerpoint.

This war was wrong from the beginning as earlier mentioned. But will we hold those who were the primary architects accountable? Hell no. We will just keep pimping the Bush line and accuse everyone who is against it as cut and run traitors.

No, this one will not get any traction.

But I did read that the RNC is hiring the guy who did the Swiftboating.

Oh you mean he voted for a bill which would result with decreased retention rates. You really want to go there, to votes that Obama has missed(voting present)? The man accidently ended up at the Capitol to vote . The importance that this war ends well is paramount, something any person with a brain should realize. But apparently Obama and a lot of Dems just want to withdrawal at any cost, which is foolish.

 

[rayboyusmc]

Right, you buy right into the retention argument. If more get out earlier to get their benefits more will also join up to get them. That is just as logical an argument. It isn't a Republican imperative to really support the troops.

In the case of Iraq we had a threat that would only get worse so we delat with it. Yet here you lot are claiming we had no reason to do anything.

What threat? They didn't have any more WMDs. The inspectors had destroyed most of them. They couldn't attack US and they didn't, Saudi Arabians did that on 9-11.

Saddam was never a threat to US. That is all bullshit and somewhere down deep in your partisan soul, you know that.

4000+ dead American Patriots for a bunch of lies. Yeah, right, the Right really does support the troops.

 

[rayboyusmc]

Forgot this winner.

But apparently Obama and a lot of Dems just want to withdrawal at any cost, which is foolish.

And you want to stay forever at enormous costs which goes way behond foolish. Even Petraeus would not venture to say when we might get out.


You tell them a date that we will be leaving and you hold them accountalble. Not really rocket science.

 

[Dogger]

Right, you buy right into the retention argument. If more get out earlier to get their benefits more will also join up to get them. That is just as logical an argument. It isn't a Republican imperative to really support the troops.

Wouldn't anyone who had the option to quit and take the benefits also have the option to quit and take higher pay from Blackwater or KBR? Wouldn't the new benefits help retention by reducing those defections? Why serve for crap pay and reduced benefits when Bush is willing to pay you more if you work for his GOP cronies.

 

[nibor]

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FUCKING PROMISE OF NON OCCUPATION ????


THE FILTHY LYING SLEEZY BASTARDS OUGHT BE FIRED AND JAILED.................

 

[nibor]

Probably went by the way of the fucking "Tournament of Roses Parade" we were promised by Deadeye Dick???????????

 

[jreeves]

Right, you buy right into the retention argument. If more get out earlier to get their benefits more will also join up to get them. That is just as logical an argument. It isn't a Republican imperative to really support the troops.



What threat? They didn't have any more WMDs. The inspectors had destroyed most of them. They couldn't attack US and they didn't, Saudi Arabians did that on 9-11.

Saddam was never a threat to US. That is all bullshit and somewhere down deep in your partisan soul, you know that.

4000+ dead American Patriots for a bunch of lies. Yeah, right, the Right really does support the troops.

But the Virginia Democrat's effort to remedy the perceived slight, which has gained support in Congress, runs afoul of how officials at the departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs want to manage the all-volunteer military. Besides being too expensive and more administratively complex than the current GI Bill, they say it would make it more difficult to retain experienced troops beyond their first hitch.

No evidently they care about our national security and still want our troops taken care of.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-03-29-gi-bill_N.htm

Webb estimates the cost of the bill as about $2 billion more than current spending, which was about $2.8 billion last year.

But the Department of Veterans Affairs estimated that an earlier version of Webb's bill, first introduced last year, would cost as much as $75 billion over the next 10 years, significantly higher Webb's projections on an annual basis.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-03-29-gi-bill_N.htm

"I will not accept from Senator Obama, who did not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform, any lectures on my regard for those who did," McCain said in a statement. "Perhaps, if Senator Obama would take the time and trouble to understand this issue he would learn to debate an honest disagreement respectfully. But, as he always does, he prefers impugning the motives of his opponent, and exploiting a thoughtful difference of opinion to advance his own ambitions. If that is how he would behave as president, the country would regret his election."

McCain is a cosponsor of a different version of the bill that would require soldiers to have more time in the service to get full benefits and to encourage them to stay in the military as a career.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/a...on_a_new_gi_bill_scorns_criticism_from_obama/

 

[jreeves]

Forgot this winner.



And you want to stay forever at enormous costs which goes way behond foolish. Even Petraeus would not venture to say when we might get out.


You tell them a date that we will be leaving and you hold them accountalble. Not really rocket science.

No we recognize that we should listen to our commanders. Not leave while progress is being made that runs contrary to the Democrat establishment spin.

Iraq’s army moved on Tuesday to take control of Baghdad’s Sadr City, power base of Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, in another step to stamp government authority over areas previously outside its control.
A spokesman for Iraqi security forces in Baghdad, Major-General Qassim Moussawi, said soldiers had launched “Operation Peace” in the sprawling eastern Baghdad slum early on Tuesday.
Iraqi soldiers, who previously controlled only the outer perimeter of Sadr City, advanced deep into the poor suburb, home to 2 million people, without meeting any opposition, he said.
“We are taking control of three-quarters of the city. What is left is the final quarter,” he said, referring to an area where Iraqi security forces had previously ventured only rarely.
The operation — on the second anniversary of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki’s swearing-in — marks the latest step by the government to extend control over areas of Iraq that were under the sway of Shi’ite militias or Sunni Arab insurgents.
Maliki personally oversaw the offensive against Shi’ite militias in Basra, which is now under Iraqi army control, and earlier this month he flew to Mosul in the north as his forces launched a push against the Sunni Islamist al Qaeda.


http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/20/iraqi-army-moves-into-sadr-city/

 

[SingingMongoose]

Omg....get ready for a bunch of liberals claiming swiftboating...

Heaven forbid we call crap crap.

Let's see - black backround, bust-shot of a veteran insubstantially criticizing a Democratic presidential candidate, the name-formula "Veterans for X," and transparently false claims of neutrality: "Paid for by Vets for Freedom Political Action Committee. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee."

What exactly is your point? You aren't explaining how this is legitimate or okay, just whining because you don't like it when we say "swiftboating." Why is that so upsetting? Didn't you think the swift boat vets were honest, genuine guys?

Let's take a look at the overall message of this ad: Obama is a trojan horse in league with terrorists. Wow, that's pretty much a conspiracy theory.

 

[jreeves]

Heaven forbid we call crap crap.

Let's see - black backround, bust-shot of a veteran insubstantially criticizing a Democratic presidential candidate, the name-formula "Veterans for X," and transparently false claims of neutrality: "Paid for by Vets for Freedom Political Action Committee. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee."

What exactly is your point? You aren't explaining how this is legitimate or okay, just whining because you don't like it when we say "swiftboating." Why is that so upsetting? Didn't you think the swift boat vets were honest, genuine guys?

Let's take a look at the overall message of this ad: Obama is a trojan horse in league with terrorists. Wow, that's pretty much a conspiracy theory.

I think I've stated how the two videos qualify for evidence Obama is very green when it comes to foreign policy experience, I don't need you to try rewrite what I have said.

 

[SingingMongoose]

I think I've stated how the two videos qualify for evidence Obama is very green when it comes to foreign policy experience, I don't need you to try rewrite what I have said.

I'm talking about what the ad said. They aren't implying that he's just "green" by talking about him "listening to America's enemies."

I'm also wondering if you actually do need me to rewrite what you've said. You claimed that a blatantly partisan ad with no substance qualifies as "evidence."

No we recognize that we should listen to our commanders. Not leave while progress is being made that runs contrary to the Democrat establishment spin.

You should recognize that our commanders listen to our leaders, not the other way around.

As long as you're going to listen to commanders - or, our leaders; or, people who have lots of ulterior motives for convincing you that things are "improving" in an occupied country - the truth is going to always look like spin, coming from an "establishment" that's in your head.

So, were you for Iraq in the beginning? Are you for it now? And whose counsel did you trust?

 

[jreeves]

I'm talking about what the ad said. They aren't implying that he's just "green" by talking about him "listening to America's enemies."

I'm also wondering if you actually do need me to rewrite what you've said. You claimed that a blatantly partisan ad with no substance qualifies as "evidence."



You should recognize that our commanders listen to our leaders, not the other way around.

As long as you're going to listen to commanders - or, our leaders; or, people who have lots of ulterior motives for convincing you that things are "improving" in an occupied country - the truth is going to always look like spin, coming from an "establishment" that's in your head.

So, were you for Iraq in the beginning? Are you for it now? And whose counsel did you trust?

Obama has stated he would listen to his commanders on the ground but when Patraeus says withdrawing prematurely could have devasting effects. Obama states we need to withdraw now. I agree that's not green, that's idoitic.

No, really I don't need you to rewrite my words, the ad uses actual words spoken by Obama and Patraeus.(I'm sure everything was taken out of context though).

No things aren't improving....
http://www.upi.com/International_Se.../05/23/analysis_petraeus_upbeat_on_iraq/2999/

WASHINGTON, May 23 (UPI) -- Gen. David Petraeus told an admiring Senate Armed Services Committee Thursday that the improving security situation in Iraq will likely allow him to recommend further U.S. troop reductions this fall, beyond the planned drawdown to about 140,000 in July.

Petraeus, currently the commander of the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq and now nominated by President Bush to take over as head of U.S. Central Command, appeared before the senators for a confirmation hearing. But the gathering quickly turned from his job qualifications to a progress report on Iraq.

His comments were markedly more optimistic than his last update to the committee only six weeks ago.

Petraeus reported that recent attempts by Iraqi security forces to secure parts of the nation -- including Basra, Mosul and the sprawling Shiite slum known as Sadr City in Baghdad -- with diminished U.S. military involvement have proven successful.

The general also said the U.S.-backed central government was enjoying more support among the Iraqi people, after Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki showed his resolve to attack not only al-Qaida in Iraq, but also Shiite militia groups.

He said the recent move by Iraqi forces into Sadr City, much of which had been controlled by Shiite religious leader Moqtada Sadr's militia, was met with little resistance and was openly welcomed by some Iraqi citizens. Petraeus said the U.S. military had played only a support role in the operation.

Petraeus pointed to other positive developments and predicted that Sunni factions that had quit the Iraqi central government would return, aiding the reconciliation process.

The general's comments were in sharp contrast to those he made before the committee just six weeks ago, when he declined to predict when or if any further troop drawdowns could be made after those already planned leading up to July.

The mood among senators from both parties was also markedly more optimistic than it was in April, when the senators expressed skepticism about the war's progress.

"Tough fights and hard work lie ahead," Petraeus told the committee. "Nonetheless, I believe that the path we are on will best help achieve the objective of an Iraq that is at peace with itself and its neighbors, (and) that is an ally in the war on terror."