A possible way the Death Panels might work ?

[gautama]

amazing that anyone is stupid enough to bring up this idiocy again.

you'd think he'd be embarrassed.

This Obamarrhoidal **** is true to form.

To her, and the other Obamarrhoids, as the video stated: LOGIC is an enemy, and TRUTH is a menace.

If her political judgment was her financial judgment this slimy **** would be bankrupt.

 

[ihopehefails]

That sound exactly like the kind of arguments I have with 'liberals' about religion. They say God does not exist and I am in error blah blah blah blah.

 

[ihopehefails]

There is no such thing as death panels. And people that persist in saying there are are making complete fools of themselves. I'm embarrassed for you.

Feel anyway you want but realize you ain't important enough to matter.

 

[gautama]

There is no such thing as death panels. And people that persist in saying there are are making complete fools of themselves. I'm embarrassed for you.

Feel anyway you want but realize you ain't important enough to matter.

That Obamarrhoidal **** is so full of herself that she undoubtedly does.

 

[gautama]

That sound exactly like the kind of arguments I have with 'liberals' about religion. They say God does not exist and I am in error blah blah blah blah.

For the Atheists and the Religious alike:

The Greatest Philosophers of Mankind have come to the UNANIMOUS CONCLUSION that it is IMPOSSIBLE to prove or disprove the existence of God. LOGIC.

You can verify that statement by calling the Chairman of the Philosophy Dept of any reputable University in the World.

Of course, I wouldn't recommend calling a religious University like Notre Dame, although.....if they are objective, and just stick to the documented historical facts....they would have to agree with my statement.

Again, that doesn't mean that they won't have a personal bias.....but note: the statement made by me does not preclude one being an Atheist or a believer in their God and be wrong.

 

[gautama]

Rod Serling would of been appalled by someone like the OP.

Just sayin.

How would you know that

Oh that's right- makes sense , the left thinks they know what's best for people better than the people themselves. They are use to putting "words" into people's mouths

While I won't be sophomoric and pretend to speak for Rod,
one does have to wonder with the strong stand against Statism in many of the tv shows,
how he would feel about PapaObama care?


Just saying


As a side note
Your Billy Joel signature is pretty lame.
Some would say gay; but I would not be one of those to say that....

Just saying

Comrade,

Dogbarf IS a queer.....no doubt about it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Dogbarf is our QUEER Barney Frank's girlfriend. They certain think alike.

BTW, the OVERWHELMING PERCENTAGE, if not 99% of the QUEERS, are Liberrhoids and/or Obamarrhoids. Not surprisingly, just as the professional scumbags who are on the dole.

 

[Neotrotsky]

There is no such thing as death panels. And people that persist in saying there are are making complete fools of themselves. I'm embarrassed for you.

Oh

What does the left prefer we call them now? Is this like the Black vs Afro-American thing? It is so hard now to know what upsets liberals; it changes from day to day


Wait it must "Comparative Effectiveness Center" or at least that is what they call in them in the Reconciliation bill
See:

"Comparative Effectiveness Center" in Reconciliation bill - oh you mean rationing



Besides, we all know the "real death panels" will come in November 2010 and November 2012.

 

[Old Rocks]

I see we have someone who doesn't understand end of life care.

The bigger problem we have is there are way too many people who want the Federal government to have power over end of life care. Personally, Im not suicidal.

Nope. You are just an idiot.

 

[Neotrotsky]

I see we have someone who doesn't understand end of life care.

The bigger problem we have is there are way too many people who want the Federal government to have power over end of life care. Personally, Im not suicidal.

Nope. You are just an idiot.

What do "children" like you say
oh yes

Rubber glue

 

[Old Rocks]

There is no such thing as death panels. And people that persist in saying there are are making complete fools of themselves. I'm embarrassed for you.

Oh

What does the left prefer we call them now? Is this like the Black vs Afro-American thing? It is so hard now to know what upsets liberals; it changes from day to day


Wait it must "Comparative Effectiveness Center" or at least that is what they call in them in the Reconciliation bill
See:

"Comparative Effectiveness Center" in Reconciliation bill - oh you mean rationing



Besides, we all know the "real death panels" will come in November 2010 and November 2012.

Really, you silly ass, we have rationing now. It is called pre-existing conditions. It is called losing one's job, and, automatically, one's insurance.

Last time I had my general check up, they noted a precancerous condition. Said to continue taking my medicine, drink less coffee, and, by the way, we don't need to look at this as often as we have been. Translation, you are getting old, and we don't need to keep you healthy now. That was a private health care plan, one my employer pays a premium price for.

There are death panels operating right now in the US. They are operated by Health Care Insurers to find ways to avoid paying for health care that the working man has been paying premiums for. And you sure don't have to look very far to find case after case of this.

 

[Neotrotsky]

There is no such thing as death panels. And people that persist in saying there are are making complete fools of themselves. I'm embarrassed for you.

Oh

What does the left prefer we call them now? Is this like the Black vs Afro-American thing? It is so hard now to know what upsets liberals; it changes from day to day


Wait it must "Comparative Effectiveness Center" or at least that is what they call in them in the Reconciliation bill
See:

"Comparative Effectiveness Center" in Reconciliation bill - oh you mean rationing



Besides, we all know the "real death panels" will come in November 2010 and November 2012.

Really, you silly ass, we have rationing now. It is called pre-existing conditions. It is called losing one's job, and, automatically, one's insurance.

Last time I had my general check up, they noted a precancerous condition. Said to continue taking my medicine, drink less coffee, and, by the way, we don't need to look at this as often as we have been. Translation, you are getting old, and we don't need to keep you healthy now. That was a private health care plan, one my employer pays a premium price for.

There are death panels operating right now in the US. They are operated by Health Care Insurers to find ways to avoid paying for health care that the working man has been paying premiums for. And you sure don't have to look very far to find case after case of this.

Yes, it is called market economics.
It would be better and more efficient if the gov't got of the way

Then again, perhaps you think after showing what a good job the gov't has done running Social Security into the ground, they "deserve" a chance at our health care now

I have full confidence that the politicians will do just "as well" in running it

 

[Old Rocks]

I just LOVE the provisions in all HC bills so far, allowing old folks who cannot afford health care insurance but own property -- like a house for example -- to sign over their property to the government to get treatment.

But, of course, that does not happen in civilized nations with universal health care. In fact, they don't have people going bankrupt by the hundreds of thousands because of medical bills in those nations. And, in this nation, about 75% of the people going bankrupt because of medical bills actually had insurance.

So, what you are saying, is that instead of the government making a way for people to presently get a loan on their property through a government program, so they can get medical treatment, they have to have a fire sale on that property. And hope they get enough for the treatment. If they do not, too bad, so sad, good old compassionate conservatism.

 

[Neotrotsky]

I just LOVE the provisions in all HC bills so far, allowing old folks who cannot afford health care insurance but own property -- like a house for example -- to sign over their property to the government to get treatment.

But, of course, that does not happen in civilized nations with universal health care. In fact, they don't have people going bankrupt by the hundreds of thousands because of medical bills in those nations. And, in this nation, about 75% of the people going bankrupt because of medical bills actually had insurance.

So, what you are saying, is that instead of the government making a way for people to presently get a loan on their property through a government program, so they can get medical treatment, they have to have a fire sale on that property. And hope they get enough for the treatment. If they do not, too bad, so sad, good old compassionate conservatism.

Well in your delusion of "medical Free utopia" they should have none
But

Commissioned by the Canadian government shows that 15% of people over the age of 55 who declare bankruptcy cite a medical problem


What is your alternative


Just have the gov't deny the treatment outright and say "see don't you feel better; you didn't need to file bankruptcy"

 

[NYcarbineer]

Oh

What does the left prefer we call them now? Is this like the Black vs Afro-American thing? It is so hard now to know what upsets liberals; it changes from day to day


Wait it must "Comparative Effectiveness Center" or at least that is what they call in them in the Reconciliation bill
See:

"Comparative Effectiveness Center" in Reconciliation bill - oh you mean rationing



Besides, we all know the "real death panels" will come in November 2010 and November 2012.

Really, you silly ass, we have rationing now. It is called pre-existing conditions. It is called losing one's job, and, automatically, one's insurance.

Last time I had my general check up, they noted a precancerous condition. Said to continue taking my medicine, drink less coffee, and, by the way, we don't need to look at this as often as we have been. Translation, you are getting old, and we don't need to keep you healthy now. That was a private health care plan, one my employer pays a premium price for.

There are death panels operating right now in the US. They are operated by Health Care Insurers to find ways to avoid paying for health care that the working man has been paying premiums for. And you sure don't have to look very far to find case after case of this.

Yes, it is called market economics.
It would be better and more efficient if the gov't got of the way

Then again, perhaps you think after showing what a good job the gov't has done running Social Security into the ground, they "deserve" a chance at our health care now

I have full confidence that the politicians will do just "as well" in running it

So you're complaining about the idea of government provided healthcare not providing everything and anything any covered person might want, regardless of cost, regardless of need, regardless of effectiveness?

Are you willing to have your taxes raised to sufficiently pay for what it would cost for government healthcare to do all of that?

 

[Neotrotsky]

Really, you silly ass, we have rationing now. It is called pre-existing conditions. It is called losing one's job, and, automatically, one's insurance.

Last time I had my general check up, they noted a precancerous condition. Said to continue taking my medicine, drink less coffee, and, by the way, we don't need to look at this as often as we have been. Translation, you are getting old, and we don't need to keep you healthy now. That was a private health care plan, one my employer pays a premium price for.

There are death panels operating right now in the US. They are operated by Health Care Insurers to find ways to avoid paying for health care that the working man has been paying premiums for. And you sure don't have to look very far to find case after case of this.

Yes, it is called market economics.
It would be better and more efficient if the gov't got of the way

Then again, perhaps you think after showing what a good job the gov't has done running Social Security into the ground, they "deserve" a chance at our health care now

I have full confidence that the politicians will do just "as well" in running it

So you're complaining about the idea of government provided healthcare not providing everything and anything any covered person might want, regardless of cost, regardless of need, regardless of effectiveness?

Are you willing to have your taxes raised to sufficiently pay for what it would cost for government healthcare to do all of that?

No

I am trying to show that "sales pitch" the left tries to use to sell health care is false and disingenuous.

All kind of markets have to make decisions about scarce resources. Nothing the gov't has ever done convinces me they will do it better

The left tries to create the illusion that we will get ALL the care we need unlike the "nasty" free market system which makes allocation decisions about your healthcare. Of course the left neglects to talk about that these are same decisions the gov't will have to do


Fair, equal doubtful
Does anyone really believe that the President (any) and politicians are going to get the same care as the masses?

We only need to look at how school vouchers are denied to poor kids to go to the very same school that the President's children go, to see this will not be the case.

Socialism does not make it better; it only spreads misery equally, except for the "inner party " members. The proletariat has no way to improve their situation

At least with a free market, one has the opportunity to improves one's "lot in life"


What will happen....

The best medical resources are drawn to the private sector and become even more out the reach of the middle class- Sort of what you see in the US with public and private schools

Remember,

Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams chose to travel to the United States for heart surgery. He said "This was my heart, my choice and my health,"

Something that a lot of Canadians could not afford to do

______________________________________________________

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Hitler Speech of May 1, 1927

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How is removing all competition going to make health care any better? How?

 

[beowolfe]

A possible way the Death er,,,,, Medical Review Boards might work ??

YouTube - Obsolete

It's amazing how many stupid people there are out there!!

 

[beowolfe]

How is removing all competition going to make health care any better? How?

Please explain how all competition is being removed? (This should really be a good one...)

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yes, it is called market economics.
It would be better and more efficient if the gov't got of the way

Then again, perhaps you think after showing what a good job the gov't has done running Social Security into the ground, they "deserve" a chance at our health care now

I have full confidence that the politicians will do just "as well" in running it

So you're complaining about the idea of government provided healthcare not providing everything and anything any covered person might want, regardless of cost, regardless of need, regardless of effectiveness?

Are you willing to have your taxes raised to sufficiently pay for what it would cost for government healthcare to do all of that?

No

I am trying to show that "sales pitch" the left tries to use to sell health care is false and disingenuous.

All kind of markets have to make decisions about scarce resources. Nothing the gov't has ever done convinces me they will do it better

The left tries to create the illusion that we will get ALL the care we need unlike the "nasty" free market system which makes allocation decisions about your healthcare. Of course the left neglects to talk about that these are same decisions the gov't will have to do


Fair, equal doubtful
Does anyone really believe that the President (any) and politicians are going to get the same care as the masses?

We only need to look at how school vouchers are denied to poor kids to go to the very same school that the President's children go, to see this will not be the case.

Socialism does not make it better; it only spreads misery equally, except for the "inner party " members. The proletariat has no way to improve their situation

At least with a free market, one has the opportunity to improves one's "lot in life"


What will happen....

The best medical resources are drawn to the private sector and become even more out the reach of the middle class- Sort of what you see in the US with public and private schools

Remember,

Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams chose to travel to the United States for heart surgery. He said "This was my heart, my choice and my health,"

Something that a lot of Canadians could not afford to do

______________________________________________________

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Hitler Speech of May 1, 1927

So rich Canadians can go get healthcare anywhere they want? How is that an indictment of the Canadian system?

 

[NYcarbineer]

[
What will happen....

The best medical resources are drawn to the private sector and become even more out the reach of the middle class- Sort of what you see in the US with public and private schools

Remember,

Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams chose to travel to the United States for heart surgery. He said "This was my heart, my choice and my health,"

Something that a lot of Canadians could not afford to do

But you WANT a system where the wealthy get the best healthcare and the poorest get the worst. Why are you lamenting the fact that some Canadians can't afford the top-dollar care?

That is the system you WANT.