A look inside the AGW cult

[Wyatt earp]

I stumbled across this page, Now they are suggesting a twelve step program.

Climate Change Solutions



The twelve step climate change program

1. We admitted we were powerless over fossil fuels—that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of Gaia as we understood her.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to Gaia, to ourselves, and to other human beings the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to become a conscious part of Gaia, and make sacrifices for the greater whole.
7. Humbly asked her to remove our destructive behaviours.
8. Made a list of all species we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct changes in our lives, such as investing in energy conservation, using renewable energy, buying local organic food, and driving, flying and consuming less.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through time spent quietly in nature to improve our conscious contact with Gaia as we understood her, seeking for understanding of our place in nature.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to fossil fuel addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs, including voting.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Oh look I wonder when the AGW cult will try to outlaw meat?

10 Solutions for Climate Change


Eat Smart, Go Vegetarian?—Corn grown in the U.S. requires barrels of oil for the fertilizer to grow it and the diesel fuel to harvest and transport it. Some grocery stores stock organic produce that do not require such fertilizers, but it is often shipped from halfway across the globe. And meat, whether beef, chicken or pork, requires pounds of feed to produce a pound of protein.
Choosing food items that balance nutrition, taste and ecological impact is no easy task. Foodstuffs often bear some nutritional information, but there is little to reveal how far a head of lettuce, for example, has traveled.
University of Chicago researchers estimate that each meat-eating American produces 1.5 tons more greenhouse gases through their food choice than do their vegetarian peers. It would also take far less land to grow the crops necessary to feed humans than livestock, allowing more room for planting trees.

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Didn't communist china just outlaw the one child rule? oh look the AGW cult is suggesting it.

10 Solutions for Climate Change

One Child—There are at least 6.6 billion people living today, a number that is predicted by the United Nations to grow to at least nine billion by mid-century. The U.N. Environmental Program estimates that it requires 54 acres to sustain an average human being today—food, clothing and other resources extracted from the planet. Continuing such population growth seems unsustainable.
Falling birth rates in some developed and developing countries (a significant portion of which are due to government-imposed limits on the number of children a couple can have) have begun to reduce or reverse the population explosion. It remains unclear how many people the planet can comfortably sustain, but it is clear that per capita energy consumption must go down if climate change is to be controlled.
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[the_human_being]

 

[RollingThunder]

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Both are lies and soooo typical of the denier cult lies that this whole deranged thread is built upon.

1st lie

Former Vice President Gore DID NOT SAY THAT!

That is a lie and a part of a fossil fuel industry propaganda meme.

What he actually said was this:

"Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years."

The head U.S. Navy researcher he was referring to, Professor Wieslaw Maslowski, said this:

"Given the estimated trend and the volume estimate for October–November of 2007 at less than 9,000 km3, one can project that at this rate it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer. Regardless of high uncertainty associated with such an estimate, it does provide a lower bound of the time range for projections of seasonal sea ice cover."

So...the prediction was for an ice free summertime Arctic sometime between 2013 and 2019.....NOT "I predict the ice caps will melt by 2014"...

2nd lie

NASA has NEVER said that 2015 saw "More Ice Than Ever".

That is another lie and part of another deliberately concocted fraudulent denier cult myth about the actual state of the Arctic.

In the real world....

2015 in review
National Snow and Ice Data Center
January 5, 2016
(excerpts)
December ended with Arctic sea ice extent tracking between one and two standard deviations below average, as it did throughout the fall. This caps a year that saw the lowest sea ice maximum in February and the fourth lowest minimum in September. The first week of 2016 has seen very slow ice growth in the Arctic.

Sea ice extent for December 2015 averaged 12.3 million square kilometers (4.74 million square miles), the fourth lowest December extent in the satellite record. This is 780,000 square kilometers (301,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average for the month. The ice is currently tracking near two standard deviations below the 1981 to 2010 long-term average. Sea ice extent is well below average in the Bering, Okhotsk, and Barents seas.

A broad area of Europe and western Russia, including the northern Barents Sea, saw temperatures as much as 4 to 8 degrees Celsius (7 degrees to 14 degrees Fahrenheit) above average at the 925 hPa level. Conditions were also fairly warm over the central Arctic Ocean, north of the Canadian Arctic Archipelago.

Arctic sea ice extent averaged for December 2015 was the fourth lowest in the satellite record. Through 2015, the linear rate of decline for December extent is 3.4% per decade, or -44,200 square kilometers (-17,000 miles) per year.

The year 2015 will be remembered for two major events in Arctic sea ice extent: the lowest Arctic maximum in the satellite record, and the fourth lowest Arctic minimum in the satellite record. The record-low Arctic maximum occurred on February 25, 2015 and was among the earliest seasonal maxima in the 37-year satellite record. The fourth lowest Arctic minimum occurred on September 11, 2015 and was likely a consequence of very warm conditions in July and an increasingly young and thin ice cover.

The satellite passive microwave record for sea ice now spans more than 37 years. As we have documented, clear downward trends characterize Arctic sea ice extent and concentration in all months. During the Arctic maximum, declines in extent and concentration are pronounced in the Barents Sea and Sea of Okhotsk, but ice cover has increased slightly in the Bering Sea. During the Arctic summer minimum, all areas show negative trends.

An exceptional weather event during the last days of the year brought a heat wave with surface air temperatures up to 23 degrees Celsius (50 degrees Fahrenheit) above average in the far north, and a brief period when surface temperatures at the North Pole approached or perhaps even exceeded the freezing mark. A temperature of +0.7 degrees Celsius was briefly recorded by a buoy weather station near the North Pole on December 30, 2015. The event was linked to the combination of a very strong low pressure system near Iceland and a somewhat less intense low pressure system located near the North Pole. This was associated with an amplified trough at 500 hPa over the northern North Atlantic and a pronounced ridge of high pressure at 500 hPa to the east over central Europe, extending into the Kara Sea. This created a strong, deep inflow of warm, moist air into the Arctic Ocean’s high latitudes. The low near Iceland strengthened rapidly in the last days of December, reaching a minimum pressure of 935 millibars, equivalent to a hurricane.

 

[flacaltenn]

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Both are lies and soooo typical of the denier cult lies that this whole deranged thread is built upon.

1st lie

Former Vice President Gore DID NOT SAY THAT!

That is a lie and a part of a fossil fuel industry propaganda meme.

What he actually said was this:

"Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years."

The head U.S. Navy researcher he was referring to, Professor Wieslaw Maslowski, said this:

"Given the estimated trend and the volume estimate for October–November of 2007 at less than 9,000 km3, one can project that at this rate it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer. Regardless of high uncertainty associated with such an estimate, it does provide a lower bound of the time range for projections of seasonal sea ice cover."

So...the prediction was for an ice free summertime Arctic sometime between 2013 and 2019.....NOT "I predict the ice caps will melt by 2014"...

2nd lie

NASA has NEVER said that 2015 saw "More Ice Than Ever".

That is another lie and part of another deliberately concocted fraudulent denier cult myth about the actual state of the Arctic.

In the real world....

2015 in review
National Snow and Ice Data Center
January 5, 2016
(excerpts)
December ended with Arctic sea ice extent tracking between one and two standard deviations below average, as it did throughout the fall. This caps a year that saw the lowest sea ice maximum in February and the fourth lowest minimum in September. The first week of 2016 has seen very slow ice growth in the Arctic.

Sea ice extent for December 2015 averaged 12.3 million square kilometers (4.74 million square miles), the fourth lowest December extent in the satellite record. This is 780,000 square kilometers (301,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average for the month. The ice is currently tracking near two standard deviations below the 1981 to 2010 long-term average. Sea ice extent is well below average in the Bering, Okhotsk, and Barents seas.

A broad area of Europe and western Russia, including the northern Barents Sea, saw temperatures as much as 4 to 8 degrees Celsius (7 degrees to 14 degrees Fahrenheit) above average at the 925 hPa level. Conditions were also fairly warm over the central Arctic Ocean, north of the Canadian Arctic Archipelago.

Arctic sea ice extent averaged for December 2015 was the fourth lowest in the satellite record. Through 2015, the linear rate of decline for December extent is 3.4% per decade, or -44,200 square kilometers (-17,000 miles) per year.

The year 2015 will be remembered for two major events in Arctic sea ice extent: the lowest Arctic maximum in the satellite record, and the fourth lowest Arctic minimum in the satellite record. The record-low Arctic maximum occurred on February 25, 2015 and was among the earliest seasonal maxima in the 37-year satellite record. The fourth lowest Arctic minimum occurred on September 11, 2015 and was likely a consequence of very warm conditions in July and an increasingly young and thin ice cover.

The satellite passive microwave record for sea ice now spans more than 37 years. As we have documented, clear downward trends characterize Arctic sea ice extent and concentration in all months. During the Arctic maximum, declines in extent and concentration are pronounced in the Barents Sea and Sea of Okhotsk, but ice cover has increased slightly in the Bering Sea. During the Arctic summer minimum, all areas show negative trends.

An exceptional weather event during the last days of the year brought a heat wave with surface air temperatures up to 23 degrees Celsius (50 degrees Fahrenheit) above average in the far north, and a brief period when surface temperatures at the North Pole approached or perhaps even exceeded the freezing mark. A temperature of +0.7 degrees Celsius was briefly recorded by a buoy weather station near the North Pole on December 30, 2015. The event was linked to the combination of a very strong low pressure system near Iceland and a somewhat less intense low pressure system located near the North Pole. This was associated with an amplified trough at 500 hPa over the northern North Atlantic and a pronounced ridge of high pressure at 500 hPa to the east over central Europe, extending into the Kara Sea. This created a strong, deep inflow of warm, moist air into the Arctic Ocean’s high latitudes. The low near Iceland strengthened rapidly in the last days of December, reaching a minimum pressure of 935 millibars, equivalent to a hurricane.

Hey -- this is a first.. You're 50% correct.. Al Gore SAID whatever Al Gore said.. Whether he embellished or lied about the NPGrad Prof is really immaterial.. BUT -- when he said "... in as little as 7 years" --- that was well within the range given in the FINAL paper. There is no telling what the Prof might have told him in private before the paper was published.. In any case -- this prediction is very likely to go into the overstuffed "Fail" bin. And even IF the Arctic sea Ice did disappear for a couple weeks in one or two summers --- the time to regenerate that relatively thin ice cover is less than a decade or two..

 

[mamooth]

You know what's funny? Denier cult acolytes declaring that they're the only ones who know the RealTruth, and the rest of the world is a cult. Jonestown was the same way, right before they rolled out the koolaid vat.

Bear, Human, you need to slip off into the jungle before that happens. But then, hardcore cultists like the bitter clingers you find here are the type of people that would force their fellow cultists to drink, before proudly imbibing themselves.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You know what's funny? Denier cult acolytes declaring that they're the only ones who know the RealTruth, and the rest of the world is a cult. Jonestown was the same way, right before they rolled out the koolaid vat.

Bear, Human, you need to slip off into the jungle before that happens. But then, hardcore cultists like the bitter clingers you find here are the type of people that would force their fellow cultists to drink, before proudly imbibing themselves.

Not my fault you guys make yourself look ridiculous .....and now communist, you seriously want us to stop eating meat and only have one child?

 

[mamooth]

Not my fault you guys make yourself look ridiculous .....and now communist, you seriously want us to stop eating meat and only have one child?

If you want to give up modern technology and hug trees all day, go right ahead. We won't stop you. Say all the prayers to Gaia you want. As your OP shows, you seem to be very familiar with the lifestyle. Just stop trying to force everyone else to live in a cave with you.

 

[RollingThunder]

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Both are lies and soooo typical of the denier cult lies that this whole deranged thread is built upon.

1st lie

Former Vice President Gore DID NOT SAY THAT!

That is a lie and a part of a fossil fuel industry propaganda meme.

What he actually said was this:

"Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years."

The head U.S. Navy researcher he was referring to, Professor Wieslaw Maslowski, said this:

"Given the estimated trend and the volume estimate for October–November of 2007 at less than 9,000 km3, one can project that at this rate it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer. Regardless of high uncertainty associated with such an estimate, it does provide a lower bound of the time range for projections of seasonal sea ice cover."

So...the prediction was for an ice free summertime Arctic sometime between 2013 and 2019.....NOT "I predict the ice caps will melt by 2014"...

2nd lie

NASA has NEVER said that 2015 saw "More Ice Than Ever".

That is another lie and part of another deliberately concocted fraudulent denier cult myth about the actual state of the Arctic.

In the real world....

2015 in review
National Snow and Ice Data Center
January 5, 2016
(excerpts)
December ended with Arctic sea ice extent tracking between one and two standard deviations below average, as it did throughout the fall. This caps a year that saw the lowest sea ice maximum in February and the fourth lowest minimum in September. The first week of 2016 has seen very slow ice growth in the Arctic.

Sea ice extent for December 2015 averaged 12.3 million square kilometers (4.74 million square miles), the fourth lowest December extent in the satellite record. This is 780,000 square kilometers (301,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average for the month. The ice is currently tracking near two standard deviations below the 1981 to 2010 long-term average. Sea ice extent is well below average in the Bering, Okhotsk, and Barents seas.

A broad area of Europe and western Russia, including the northern Barents Sea, saw temperatures as much as 4 to 8 degrees Celsius (7 degrees to 14 degrees Fahrenheit) above average at the 925 hPa level. Conditions were also fairly warm over the central Arctic Ocean, north of the Canadian Arctic Archipelago.

Arctic sea ice extent averaged for December 2015 was the fourth lowest in the satellite record. Through 2015, the linear rate of decline for December extent is 3.4% per decade, or -44,200 square kilometers (-17,000 miles) per year.

The year 2015 will be remembered for two major events in Arctic sea ice extent: the lowest Arctic maximum in the satellite record, and the fourth lowest Arctic minimum in the satellite record. The record-low Arctic maximum occurred on February 25, 2015 and was among the earliest seasonal maxima in the 37-year satellite record. The fourth lowest Arctic minimum occurred on September 11, 2015 and was likely a consequence of very warm conditions in July and an increasingly young and thin ice cover.

The satellite passive microwave record for sea ice now spans more than 37 years. As we have documented, clear downward trends characterize Arctic sea ice extent and concentration in all months. During the Arctic maximum, declines in extent and concentration are pronounced in the Barents Sea and Sea of Okhotsk, but ice cover has increased slightly in the Bering Sea. During the Arctic summer minimum, all areas show negative trends.

An exceptional weather event during the last days of the year brought a heat wave with surface air temperatures up to 23 degrees Celsius (50 degrees Fahrenheit) above average in the far north, and a brief period when surface temperatures at the North Pole approached or perhaps even exceeded the freezing mark. A temperature of +0.7 degrees Celsius was briefly recorded by a buoy weather station near the North Pole on December 30, 2015. The event was linked to the combination of a very strong low pressure system near Iceland and a somewhat less intense low pressure system located near the North Pole. This was associated with an amplified trough at 500 hPa over the northern North Atlantic and a pronounced ridge of high pressure at 500 hPa to the east over central Europe, extending into the Kara Sea. This created a strong, deep inflow of warm, moist air into the Arctic Ocean’s high latitudes. The low near Iceland strengthened rapidly in the last days of December, reaching a minimum pressure of 935 millibars, equivalent to a hurricane.

Hey -- this is a first.. You're 50% correct.. Al Gore SAID whatever Al Gore said.. Whether he embellished or lied about the NPGrad Prof is really immaterial.. BUT -- when he said "... in as little as 7 years" --- that was well within the range given in the FINAL paper. There is no telling what the Prof might have told him in private before the paper was published.. In any case -- this prediction is very likely to go into the overstuffed "Fail" bin. And even IF the Arctic sea Ice did disappear for a couple weeks in one or two summers --- the time to regenerate that relatively thin ice cover is less than a decade or two..

More of Fecalhead's lies.

Gore said this:
"the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years."

He was being quite accurate about those predictions. The actual prediction by the Navy scientists was that effectively sea ice free Arctic summers 'could happen in as little as 7 years' or as long as 13 years, which would be 2019 - "it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer."

***

The Arctic Sea ice is in a death spiral, losing both extent and volume in a long downward trend. It is very unlikely to ever "regenerate" in our lifetimes, let alone "in one or two summers", as you moronically claim. It melts the fastest in the summers, imbecile.



The sharp drop in Arctic sea ice area has been matched by a harder-to-see, but equally sharp, drop in sea ice thickness. The combined result has been a collapse in total sea ice volume - to one fifth of its level in 1980.


Arctic sea ice volume in 1000s of cubic kilometers (via Robinson)

 

[the_human_being]

 

[RollingThunder]

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A REALLY stupid lie! Scraped off of some fraudulent denier cult blog.That seems to be your speciality, kid.

The reality....

Volcanic versus anthropogenic CO2 emissions
U.S. Department of the Interior - U.S. Geological Survey

Do the Earth’s volcanoes emit more CO2 than human activities? Research findings indicate that the answer to this frequently asked question is a clear and unequivocal, “No.”

Human activities, responsible for a projected 35 billion metric tons (gigatons) of CO2 emissions in 2010 (Friedlingstein et al., 2010), release an amount of CO2 that dwarfs the annual CO2 emissions of all the world’s degassing subaerial and submarine volcanoes (Gerlach, 2011).

The published estimates of the global CO2 emission rate for all degassing subaerial (on land) and submarine volcanoes lie in a range from 0.13 gigaton to 0.44 gigaton per year (Gerlach, 1991; Varekamp et al., 1992; Allard, 1992; Sano and Williams, 1996; Marty and Tolstikhin, 1998). The preferred global estimates of the authors of these studies range from about 0.15 to 0.26 gigaton per year. The 35-gigaton projected anthropogenic CO2 emission for 2010 is about 80 to 270 times larger than the respective maximum and minimum annual global volcanic CO2 emission estimates. It is 135 times larger than the highest preferred global volcanic CO2 estimate of 0.26 gigaton per year (Marty and Tolstikhin, 1998).

In recent times, about 70 volcanoes are normally active each year on the Earth’s subaerial terrain. One of these is Kīlauea volcano in Hawaii, which has an annual baseline CO2 output of about 0.0031 gigatons per year [Gerlach et al., 2002]. It would take a huge addition of volcanoes to the subaerial landscape - the equivalent of an extra 11,200 Kīlauea volcanoes - to scale up the global volcanic CO2emission rate to the anthropogenic CO2 emission rate. Similarly, scaling up the volcanic rate to the current anthropogenic rate by adding more submarine volcanoes would require an addition of about 360 more mid-ocean ridge systems to the sea floor, based on mid-ocean ridge CO2 estimates of Marty and Tolstikhin (1998).

There continues to be efforts to reduce uncertainties and improve estimates of present-day global volcanic CO2 emissions, but there is little doubt among volcanic gas scientists that the anthropogenic CO2 emissions dwarf global volcanic CO2 emissions.

For additional information about this subject, please read the American Geophysical Union's Eos article "Volcanic Versus Anthropogenic Carbon Dioxide" written by USGS scientist Terrence M. Gerlach.

 

[flacaltenn]

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Both are lies and soooo typical of the denier cult lies that this whole deranged thread is built upon.

1st lie

Former Vice President Gore DID NOT SAY THAT!

That is a lie and a part of a fossil fuel industry propaganda meme.

What he actually said was this:

"Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years."

The head U.S. Navy researcher he was referring to, Professor Wieslaw Maslowski, said this:

"Given the estimated trend and the volume estimate for October–November of 2007 at less than 9,000 km3, one can project that at this rate it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer. Regardless of high uncertainty associated with such an estimate, it does provide a lower bound of the time range for projections of seasonal sea ice cover."

So...the prediction was for an ice free summertime Arctic sometime between 2013 and 2019.....NOT "I predict the ice caps will melt by 2014"...

2nd lie

NASA has NEVER said that 2015 saw "More Ice Than Ever".

That is another lie and part of another deliberately concocted fraudulent denier cult myth about the actual state of the Arctic.

In the real world....

2015 in review
National Snow and Ice Data Center
January 5, 2016
(excerpts)
December ended with Arctic sea ice extent tracking between one and two standard deviations below average, as it did throughout the fall. This caps a year that saw the lowest sea ice maximum in February and the fourth lowest minimum in September. The first week of 2016 has seen very slow ice growth in the Arctic.

Sea ice extent for December 2015 averaged 12.3 million square kilometers (4.74 million square miles), the fourth lowest December extent in the satellite record. This is 780,000 square kilometers (301,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average for the month. The ice is currently tracking near two standard deviations below the 1981 to 2010 long-term average. Sea ice extent is well below average in the Bering, Okhotsk, and Barents seas.

A broad area of Europe and western Russia, including the northern Barents Sea, saw temperatures as much as 4 to 8 degrees Celsius (7 degrees to 14 degrees Fahrenheit) above average at the 925 hPa level. Conditions were also fairly warm over the central Arctic Ocean, north of the Canadian Arctic Archipelago.

Arctic sea ice extent averaged for December 2015 was the fourth lowest in the satellite record. Through 2015, the linear rate of decline for December extent is 3.4% per decade, or -44,200 square kilometers (-17,000 miles) per year.

The year 2015 will be remembered for two major events in Arctic sea ice extent: the lowest Arctic maximum in the satellite record, and the fourth lowest Arctic minimum in the satellite record. The record-low Arctic maximum occurred on February 25, 2015 and was among the earliest seasonal maxima in the 37-year satellite record. The fourth lowest Arctic minimum occurred on September 11, 2015 and was likely a consequence of very warm conditions in July and an increasingly young and thin ice cover.

The satellite passive microwave record for sea ice now spans more than 37 years. As we have documented, clear downward trends characterize Arctic sea ice extent and concentration in all months. During the Arctic maximum, declines in extent and concentration are pronounced in the Barents Sea and Sea of Okhotsk, but ice cover has increased slightly in the Bering Sea. During the Arctic summer minimum, all areas show negative trends.

An exceptional weather event during the last days of the year brought a heat wave with surface air temperatures up to 23 degrees Celsius (50 degrees Fahrenheit) above average in the far north, and a brief period when surface temperatures at the North Pole approached or perhaps even exceeded the freezing mark. A temperature of +0.7 degrees Celsius was briefly recorded by a buoy weather station near the North Pole on December 30, 2015. The event was linked to the combination of a very strong low pressure system near Iceland and a somewhat less intense low pressure system located near the North Pole. This was associated with an amplified trough at 500 hPa over the northern North Atlantic and a pronounced ridge of high pressure at 500 hPa to the east over central Europe, extending into the Kara Sea. This created a strong, deep inflow of warm, moist air into the Arctic Ocean’s high latitudes. The low near Iceland strengthened rapidly in the last days of December, reaching a minimum pressure of 935 millibars, equivalent to a hurricane.

Hey -- this is a first.. You're 50% correct.. Al Gore SAID whatever Al Gore said.. Whether he embellished or lied about the NPGrad Prof is really immaterial.. BUT -- when he said "... in as little as 7 years" --- that was well within the range given in the FINAL paper. There is no telling what the Prof might have told him in private before the paper was published.. In any case -- this prediction is very likely to go into the overstuffed "Fail" bin. And even IF the Arctic sea Ice did disappear for a couple weeks in one or two summers --- the time to regenerate that relatively thin ice cover is less than a decade or two..

More of Fecalhead's lies.

Gore said this:
"the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years."

He was being quite accurate about those predictions. The actual prediction by the Navy scientists was that effectively sea ice free Arctic summers 'could happen in as little as 7 years' or as long as 13 years, which would be 2019 - "it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer."

***

The Arctic Sea ice is in a death spiral, losing both extent and volume in a long downward trend. It is very unlikely to ever "regenerate" in our lifetimes, let alone "in one or two summers", as you moronically claim. It melts the fastest in the summers, imbecile.



The sharp drop in Arctic sea ice area has been matched by a harder-to-see, but equally sharp, drop in sea ice thickness. The combined result has been a collapse in total sea ice volume - to one fifth of its level in 1980.


Arctic sea ice volume in 1000s of cubic kilometers (via Robinson)

I don't need bigger font to see what Gore actually said. That it is not in dispute. He EMBELLISHED the truth a bit. He slanted the facts to his advantage.. And HE STILL was wrong. That's all reasonable people have to know. Doesn't matter what the ACTUAL science said.. He's not trusted to deliver science to the public for a reason.. HE LIES A LOT.. Eventually -- you might understand that completely rational analysis of what he said.

 

[RollingThunder]

View attachment 59405

Both are lies and soooo typical of the denier cult lies that this whole deranged thread is built upon.

1st lie

Former Vice President Gore DID NOT SAY THAT!

That is a lie and a part of a fossil fuel industry propaganda meme.

What he actually said was this:

"Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years."

The head U.S. Navy researcher he was referring to, Professor Wieslaw Maslowski, said this:

"Given the estimated trend and the volume estimate for October–November of 2007 at less than 9,000 km3, one can project that at this rate it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer. Regardless of high uncertainty associated with such an estimate, it does provide a lower bound of the time range for projections of seasonal sea ice cover."

So...the prediction was for an ice free summertime Arctic sometime between 2013 and 2019.....NOT "I predict the ice caps will melt by 2014"...

2nd lie

NASA has NEVER said that 2015 saw "More Ice Than Ever".

That is another lie and part of another deliberately concocted fraudulent denier cult myth about the actual state of the Arctic.

In the real world....

2015 in review
National Snow and Ice Data Center
January 5, 2016
(excerpts)
December ended with Arctic sea ice extent tracking between one and two standard deviations below average, as it did throughout the fall. This caps a year that saw the lowest sea ice maximum in February and the fourth lowest minimum in September. The first week of 2016 has seen very slow ice growth in the Arctic.

Sea ice extent for December 2015 averaged 12.3 million square kilometers (4.74 million square miles), the fourth lowest December extent in the satellite record. This is 780,000 square kilometers (301,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average for the month. The ice is currently tracking near two standard deviations below the 1981 to 2010 long-term average. Sea ice extent is well below average in the Bering, Okhotsk, and Barents seas.

A broad area of Europe and western Russia, including the northern Barents Sea, saw temperatures as much as 4 to 8 degrees Celsius (7 degrees to 14 degrees Fahrenheit) above average at the 925 hPa level. Conditions were also fairly warm over the central Arctic Ocean, north of the Canadian Arctic Archipelago.

Arctic sea ice extent averaged for December 2015 was the fourth lowest in the satellite record. Through 2015, the linear rate of decline for December extent is 3.4% per decade, or -44,200 square kilometers (-17,000 miles) per year.

The year 2015 will be remembered for two major events in Arctic sea ice extent: the lowest Arctic maximum in the satellite record, and the fourth lowest Arctic minimum in the satellite record. The record-low Arctic maximum occurred on February 25, 2015 and was among the earliest seasonal maxima in the 37-year satellite record. The fourth lowest Arctic minimum occurred on September 11, 2015 and was likely a consequence of very warm conditions in July and an increasingly young and thin ice cover.

The satellite passive microwave record for sea ice now spans more than 37 years. As we have documented, clear downward trends characterize Arctic sea ice extent and concentration in all months. During the Arctic maximum, declines in extent and concentration are pronounced in the Barents Sea and Sea of Okhotsk, but ice cover has increased slightly in the Bering Sea. During the Arctic summer minimum, all areas show negative trends.

An exceptional weather event during the last days of the year brought a heat wave with surface air temperatures up to 23 degrees Celsius (50 degrees Fahrenheit) above average in the far north, and a brief period when surface temperatures at the North Pole approached or perhaps even exceeded the freezing mark. A temperature of +0.7 degrees Celsius was briefly recorded by a buoy weather station near the North Pole on December 30, 2015. The event was linked to the combination of a very strong low pressure system near Iceland and a somewhat less intense low pressure system located near the North Pole. This was associated with an amplified trough at 500 hPa over the northern North Atlantic and a pronounced ridge of high pressure at 500 hPa to the east over central Europe, extending into the Kara Sea. This created a strong, deep inflow of warm, moist air into the Arctic Ocean’s high latitudes. The low near Iceland strengthened rapidly in the last days of December, reaching a minimum pressure of 935 millibars, equivalent to a hurricane.

Hey -- this is a first.. You're 50% correct.. Al Gore SAID whatever Al Gore said.. Whether he embellished or lied about the NPGrad Prof is really immaterial.. BUT -- when he said "... in as little as 7 years" --- that was well within the range given in the FINAL paper. There is no telling what the Prof might have told him in private before the paper was published.. In any case -- this prediction is very likely to go into the overstuffed "Fail" bin. And even IF the Arctic sea Ice did disappear for a couple weeks in one or two summers --- the time to regenerate that relatively thin ice cover is less than a decade or two..

More of Fecalhead's lies.

Gore said this:
"the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years."

He was being quite accurate about those predictions. The actual prediction by the Navy scientists was that effectively sea ice free Arctic summers 'could happen in as little as 7 years' or as long as 13 years, which would be 2019 - "it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer."

***

The Arctic Sea ice is in a death spiral, losing both extent and volume in a long downward trend. It is very unlikely to ever "regenerate" in our lifetimes, let alone "in one or two summers", as you moronically claim. It melts the fastest in the summers, imbecile.



The sharp drop in Arctic sea ice area has been matched by a harder-to-see, but equally sharp, drop in sea ice thickness. The combined result has been a collapse in total sea ice volume - to one fifth of its level in 1980.


Arctic sea ice volume in 1000s of cubic kilometers (via Robinson)

I don't need bigger font to see what Gore actually said. That it is not in dispute. He EMBELLISHED the truth a bit. He slanted the facts to his advantage.. And HE STILL was wrong. That's all reasonable people have to know. Doesn't matter what the ACTUAL science said.. He's not trusted to deliver science to the public for a reason.. HE LIES A LOT.. Eventually -- you might understand that completely rational analysis of what he said.

You don't need a bigger font, you need a brain, fecalhead.

Gore wasn't wrong. He talked about a range of predictions as to when the Arctic region would be effectively ice free in the late summers.

Gore said this:
"the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years."

The actual prediction by the Navy scientists was that effectively sea ice free Arctic summers 'could happen in as little as 7 years' or as long as 13 years, which would be 2019 - "it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer."

So....former VP Gore did not predict that the Arctic would be ice free in 2013. He cited SEVERAL scientific predictions, ranging from 22 years until ice free conditions, to a newer study that suggested that the Arctic COULD be ice free sometime between 2013 and 2019.

All of this controversy over these statements by Gore is, of course, completely meaningless. Gore is a messenger bringing information about the climate change crisis to the public. He is not himself a scientist. He generally gets things right and presents the info accurately.....but if he did sometime say something that turned out to be not completely accurate, SO WHAT? His mistakes, if any, would have absolutely no impact on the reality of the situation the world is facing, or on either the massive amounts of scientific evidence and data or the virtually unanimous testimony of the world's climate scientists or the again almost unanimous concurrence of the rest of the world scientific community, affirming the reality and dangers of human caused global warming.

Attacking Gore as if he was climate science is just another propaganda device used by the fossil fuel industry to deceive the clueless rightwingnuts who have been bamboozled into believing that this issue is political rather than scientific.

In the real world reflected by science...

Arctic Sea Ice Plunges to Record Low Extent for Late Winter
WeatherUnderground
By: Bob Henson
March 09, 2015
(excerpts)
Instead of easing toward its typical March maximum in coverage, the Arctic’s sea ice appears to be more inclined toward getting a head start on its yearly summer melt-out. As of Sunday, March 8, Arctic sea ice as calculated by Japan’s National Institute of Polar Research extended across 13.65 million square kilometers (Figure 1, red line). This value is more than 450,000 sq km--roughly the size of California--below the record extent for the date.

Experts differ strongly on when we might see a summer that melts nearly all of the Arctic’s ice (typically defined as less than a million sq km of extent by the normal September minimum). Computer models suggest this point might not be reached till the 2040s or later, while simple extrapolation from recent years would produce an effectively ice-free September by the 2020s, perhaps even sooner.

 

[the_human_being]

Actually, I need to be interested in this stupidity which I am not.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

At Last Climate theories the wing nuts can actually support....



Televangelist Jim Bakker: Extreme weather patterns are the ‘spirit of ISIS’ in America

 

[RollingThunder]

Actually, I need to be interested in this stupidity which I am not.

Yes, your complete ignorance about this subject is very obvious.

The hilarious thing is that you admit this and yet you keep on posting ignorant, retarded drivel about it.

Your post #10 on this thread is demented garbage that a smart eight year old could easily debunk. You are an idiot.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Become a vegitarian they tell us.....................





How cattle hurt the climate
Even aside from their impact on grasslands, cattle are terrible for the climate.
Cows emit methane — a greenhouse gas that is 86 times more damaging than carbon over 20 years — when they burp, fart, or poop. As CNN recently noted, “14.5% of all greenhouse gas pollution can be attributed to livestock, according to the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization, the most reputable authority on this topic. And a huge hunk of the livestock industry’s role — 65% — comes from raising beef and dairy cattle.” A pound of beef has about the same carbon footprint as driving an average American car 70 miles.
This is far worse than most foods. The Environmental Working Group found that beef has the second highest carbon footprint of any common food after lamb. Pound for pound, it is twice as bad for the climate as cheese and pork, four times worse than chicken, and more than 14 times worse than broccoli.
And that’s not even considering the other unsustainable aspects of beef, such as using land and water much less efficiently than plants or chickens to produce food. There’s just no reason for our government to actively promote cattle raising and beef.

Cattle grazing is a climate disaster, and you’re paying for it

 

[RollingThunder]

Become a vegitarian they tell us.....................
How cattle hurt the climate
Even aside from their impact on grasslands, cattle are terrible for the climate.
Cows emit methane — a greenhouse gas that is 86 times more damaging than carbon over 20 years — when they burp, fart, or poop. As CNN recently noted, “14.5% of all greenhouse gas pollution can be attributed to livestock, according to the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization, the most reputable authority on this topic. And a huge hunk of the livestock industry’s role — 65% — comes from raising beef and dairy cattle.” A pound of beef has about the same carbon footprint as driving an average American car 70 miles.
This is far worse than most foods. The Environmental Working Group found that beef has the second highest carbon footprint of any common food after lamb. Pound for pound, it is twice as bad for the climate as cheese and pork, four times worse than chicken, and more than 14 times worse than broccoli.
And that’s not even considering the other unsustainable aspects of beef, such as using land and water much less efficiently than plants or chickens to produce food. There’s just no reason for our government to actively promote cattle raising and beef.
Cattle grazing is a climate disaster, and you’re paying for it

So what?

 

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Both are lies and soooo typical of the denier cult lies that this whole deranged thread is built upon.

1st lie

Former Vice President Gore DID NOT SAY THAT!

That is a lie and a part of a fossil fuel industry propaganda meme.

What he actually said was this:

"Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years."

The head U.S. Navy researcher he was referring to, Professor Wieslaw Maslowski, said this:

"Given the estimated trend and the volume estimate for October–November of 2007 at less than 9,000 km3, one can project that at this rate it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer. Regardless of high uncertainty associated with such an estimate, it does provide a lower bound of the time range for projections of seasonal sea ice cover."

So...the prediction was for an ice free summertime Arctic sometime between 2013 and 2019.....NOT "I predict the ice caps will melt by 2014"...

2nd lie

NASA has NEVER said that 2015 saw "More Ice Than Ever".

That is another lie and part of another deliberately concocted fraudulent denier cult myth about the actual state of the Arctic.

In the real world....

2015 in review
National Snow and Ice Data Center
January 5, 2016
(excerpts)
December ended with Arctic sea ice extent tracking between one and two standard deviations below average, as it did throughout the fall. This caps a year that saw the lowest sea ice maximum in February and the fourth lowest minimum in September. The first week of 2016 has seen very slow ice growth in the Arctic.

Sea ice extent for December 2015 averaged 12.3 million square kilometers (4.74 million square miles), the fourth lowest December extent in the satellite record. This is 780,000 square kilometers (301,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average for the month. The ice is currently tracking near two standard deviations below the 1981 to 2010 long-term average. Sea ice extent is well below average in the Bering, Okhotsk, and Barents seas.

A broad area of Europe and western Russia, including the northern Barents Sea, saw temperatures as much as 4 to 8 degrees Celsius (7 degrees to 14 degrees Fahrenheit) above average at the 925 hPa level. Conditions were also fairly warm over the central Arctic Ocean, north of the Canadian Arctic Archipelago.

Arctic sea ice extent averaged for December 2015 was the fourth lowest in the satellite record. Through 2015, the linear rate of decline for December extent is 3.4% per decade, or -44,200 square kilometers (-17,000 miles) per year.

The year 2015 will be remembered for two major events in Arctic sea ice extent: the lowest Arctic maximum in the satellite record, and the fourth lowest Arctic minimum in the satellite record. The record-low Arctic maximum occurred on February 25, 2015 and was among the earliest seasonal maxima in the 37-year satellite record. The fourth lowest Arctic minimum occurred on September 11, 2015 and was likely a consequence of very warm conditions in July and an increasingly young and thin ice cover.

The satellite passive microwave record for sea ice now spans more than 37 years. As we have documented, clear downward trends characterize Arctic sea ice extent and concentration in all months. During the Arctic maximum, declines in extent and concentration are pronounced in the Barents Sea and Sea of Okhotsk, but ice cover has increased slightly in the Bering Sea. During the Arctic summer minimum, all areas show negative trends.

An exceptional weather event during the last days of the year brought a heat wave with surface air temperatures up to 23 degrees Celsius (50 degrees Fahrenheit) above average in the far north, and a brief period when surface temperatures at the North Pole approached or perhaps even exceeded the freezing mark. A temperature of +0.7 degrees Celsius was briefly recorded by a buoy weather station near the North Pole on December 30, 2015. The event was linked to the combination of a very strong low pressure system near Iceland and a somewhat less intense low pressure system located near the North Pole. This was associated with an amplified trough at 500 hPa over the northern North Atlantic and a pronounced ridge of high pressure at 500 hPa to the east over central Europe, extending into the Kara Sea. This created a strong, deep inflow of warm, moist air into the Arctic Ocean’s high latitudes. The low near Iceland strengthened rapidly in the last days of December, reaching a minimum pressure of 935 millibars, equivalent to a hurricane.

Hey -- this is a first.. You're 50% correct.. Al Gore SAID whatever Al Gore said.. Whether he embellished or lied about the NPGrad Prof is really immaterial.. BUT -- when he said "... in as little as 7 years" --- that was well within the range given in the FINAL paper. There is no telling what the Prof might have told him in private before the paper was published.. In any case -- this prediction is very likely to go into the overstuffed "Fail" bin. And even IF the Arctic sea Ice did disappear for a couple weeks in one or two summers --- the time to regenerate that relatively thin ice cover is less than a decade or two..

More of Fecalhead's lies.

Gore said this:
"the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years."

He was being quite accurate about those predictions. The actual prediction by the Navy scientists was that effectively sea ice free Arctic summers 'could happen in as little as 7 years' or as long as 13 years, which would be 2019 - "it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer."

***

The Arctic Sea ice is in a death spiral, losing both extent and volume in a long downward trend. It is very unlikely to ever "regenerate" in our lifetimes, let alone "in one or two summers", as you moronically claim. It melts the fastest in the summers, imbecile.



The sharp drop in Arctic sea ice area has been matched by a harder-to-see, but equally sharp, drop in sea ice thickness. The combined result has been a collapse in total sea ice volume - to one fifth of its level in 1980.


Arctic sea ice volume in 1000s of cubic kilometers (via Robinson)

I don't need bigger font to see what Gore actually said. That it is not in dispute. He EMBELLISHED the truth a bit. He slanted the facts to his advantage.. And HE STILL was wrong. That's all reasonable people have to know. Doesn't matter what the ACTUAL science said.. He's not trusted to deliver science to the public for a reason.. HE LIES A LOT.. Eventually -- you might understand that completely rational analysis of what he said.

You don't need a bigger font, you need a brain, fecalhead.

Gore wasn't wrong. He talked about a range of predictions as to when the Arctic region would be effectively ice free in the late summers.

Gore said this:
"the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years."

The actual prediction by the Navy scientists was that effectively sea ice free Arctic summers 'could happen in as little as 7 years' or as long as 13 years, which would be 2019 - "it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer."

So....former VP Gore did not predict that the Arctic would be ice free in 2013. He cited SEVERAL scientific predictions, ranging from 22 years until ice free conditions, to a newer study that suggested that the Arctic COULD be ice free sometime between 2013 and 2019.

All of this controversy over these statements by Gore is, of course, completely meaningless. Gore is a messenger bringing information about the climate change crisis to the public. He is not himself a scientist. He generally gets things right and presents the info accurately.....but if he did sometime say something that turned out to be not completely accurate, SO WHAT? His mistakes, if any, would have absolutely no impact on the reality of the situation the world is facing, or on either the massive amounts of scientific evidence and data or the virtually unanimous testimony of the world's climate scientists or the again almost unanimous concurrence of the rest of the world scientific community, affirming the reality and dangers of human caused global warming.

Attacking Gore as if he was climate science is just another propaganda device used by the fossil fuel industry to deceive the clueless rightwingnuts who have been bamboozled into believing that this issue is political rather than scientific.

In the real world reflected by science...

Arctic Sea Ice Plunges to Record Low Extent for Late Winter
WeatherUnderground
By: Bob Henson
March 09, 2015
(excerpts)
Instead of easing toward its typical March maximum in coverage, the Arctic’s sea ice appears to be more inclined toward getting a head start on its yearly summer melt-out. As of Sunday, March 8, Arctic sea ice as calculated by Japan’s National Institute of Polar Research extended across 13.65 million square kilometers (Figure 1, red line). This value is more than 450,000 sq km--roughly the size of California--below the record extent for the date.

Experts differ strongly on when we might see a summer that melts nearly all of the Arctic’s ice (typically defined as less than a million sq km of extent by the normal September minimum). Computer models suggest this point might not be reached till the 2040s or later, while simple extrapolation from recent years would produce an effectively ice-free September by the 2020s, perhaps even sooner.

So when the Arctic isn't ice free in 2019, 2020, etc, what's going to be your reason why?

 

[Billy_Bob]

Not the Rolling Blunder Boy and his dog Old Fraud... The stupidity of the alarmist is stunning. They take just 1/2 of a cycle (just happens to be the warm side) and they make doom and gloom predictions based on incomplete data, agenda driven bull shit and not a lick of evidence long enough to make any real assertions on.

All while others show just how stupid these alarmist and enviro-wackos are and exposing just how far they will go to kill millions of people...

Simply stunning..