A Handy Source of Fiscal Data, or "How Their Naked Ears Were Tortured By The Horseman's Ruthless Cipherin"

[Toddsterpatriot]

So that is ex ESAs and ex TARP and other rescue programs....is that correct?

Sounds reasonable.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Sounds reasonable.

And what is that, relative to Scrub's request?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And what is that, relative to Scrub's request?

Which request? Don't they go back and forth with multiple versions?
I hardly pay attention to them, they're usually pointless.

I give up, how much was his request?

 

[The5thHorseman]

Which request? Don't they go back and forth with multiple versions?
I hardly pay attention to them, they're usually pointless.

I give up, how much was his request?

toddster,

stop asking me to do your work

learn to read the citations provided

answer questions THE FIRST TIME

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So that is ex ESAs and ex TARP and other rescue programs....is that correct?

So, $3.1 trillion minus the $140 billion Obama added.

Looks like Bush ended with $2.960 trillion in spending.

My number was 2960-2845 = $115 billion too low.

Your number was 3517-2960 = $557 billion too high.

 

[The5thHorseman]

So, $3.1 trillion minus the $140 billion Obama added.

Looks like Bush ended with $2.960 trillion in spending.

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My number was 2960-2845 = $115 billion too low.

Your number was 3517-2960 = $557 billion too high.

Wait...

Who picks up his ESAs?

The Supply Side Fairy?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wait...

Who picks up his ESAs?

The Supply Side Fairy?

If it's more than that, it's included in the $3.517 trillion total.

 

[The5thHorseman]

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If it's more than that, it's included in the $3.517 trillion total.

No it isn't..

Scroll down.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No it isn't..

Scroll down.

The financial cost of the Iraq War and the War in Afghanistan are not part of the defense budget; they were appropriations

 

[The5thHorseman]

The financial cost of the Iraq War and the War in Afghanistan are not part of the defense budget; they were appropriations

Exactly.

They were OUTSIDE the budget because Scrubby didn't want to pay the political price.

Problems with Using the Supplemental Budget Process to Fund Ongoing Military Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan - Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Exactly.

They were OUTSIDE the budget because Scrubby didn't want to pay the political price.

Problems with Using the Supplemental Budget Process to Fund Ongoing Military Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan - Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation

Not part of the defense budget, but still part of spending.

FACTBOX-Bush unveil $3.1 trillion budget for 2009

U.S. President George W. Bush unveiled a $3.11 trillion budget on Monday for fiscal year 2009 that begins on Oct. 1. The proposal will be sent to the Democratic-led Congress, likely setting the stage for a fresh round of sparring over spending priorities.

www.reuters.com

He asked for $70 billion. Your link showed $145.2 billion total.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Not part of the defense budget, but still part of spending.

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FACTBOX-Bush unveil $3.1 trillion budget for 2009

U.S. President George W. Bush unveiled a $3.11 trillion budget on Monday for fiscal year 2009 that begins on Oct. 1. The proposal will be sent to the Democratic-led Congress, likely setting the stage for a fresh round of sparring over spending priorities.

www.reuters.com

He asked for $70 billion. Your link showed $145.2 billion total.

Toddy,

You can't read.

* The administration requested $515.4 billion for the military for the next fiscal year, not including funds for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. That would mark a 7.5 percent increase over the prior year...
* Bush asked for $70 billion to fund the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. That money would be expected to cover only the first few months of fiscal 2009 and Bush will seek more money for Iraq later. Bush’s war funding request for fiscal 2008 totaled $193 billion but Congress has only approved part of that money so far

I'm getting sick of this shit, Toddy..

You owe answers, Toddy.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Toddy,

You can't read.

* The administration requested $515.4 billion for the military for the next fiscal year, not including funds for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. That would mark a 7.5 percent increase over the prior year...
* Bush asked for $70 billion to fund the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. That money would be expected to cover only the first few months of fiscal 2009 and Bush will seek more money for Iraq later. Bush’s war funding request for fiscal 2008 totaled $193 billion but Congress has only approved part of that money so far

I'm getting sick of this shit, Toddy..

You owe answers, Toddy.

I read it just fine. He asked for $70B.
Your link already showed $145.2B
He probably needed more. He probably asked for more.
They probably gave him more. And?

Any money spent in FY 2009 was the budget, $3.1 trillion plus more.

More included TARP, Fannie and Freddie, Obama's additions and probably more ESAs.

Bringing the total spending up to $3.517 trillion.

If we subtract Obama's numbers (about $140 billion)
and the outstanding TARP (at least $479 billion), we're left with Bush's ending total.

About $2.9 trillion.

If you want to adjust it from the $3.1 trillion, feel free to show your work.

 

[The5thHorseman]

I read it just fine. He asked for $70B.
Your link already showed $145.2B
He probably needed more. He probably asked for more.
They probably gave him more. And?

Any money spent in FY 2009 was the budget, $3.1 trillion plus more.

More included TARP, Fannie and Freddie, Obama's additions and probably more ESAs.

Bringing the total spending up to $3.517 trillion.

If we subtract Obama's numbers (about $140 billion)
and the outstanding TARP (at least $479 billion), we're left with Bush's ending total.

About $2.9 trillion.

If you want to adjust it from the $3.1 trillion, feel free to show your work.

No, Toddy...

You are wrong..

I was unaware of the 70 billion of the request granted during 08...hence my original estimate of 140.

Stop telling me that ESAs were included....they weren't..you can see the Discretionary Budget Items itemized. The WoT appropriations were for non military needs, like embassy security for example.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No, Toddy...

You are wrong..

I was unaware of the 70 billion of the request granted during 08...hence my original estimate of 140.

Stop telling me that ESAs were included....they weren't..you can see the Discretionary Budget Items itemized. The WoT appropriations were for non military needs, like embassy security for example.

Your source said $145.2B GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR

If you have another source that said the ESAs were on top of that, post them.

All the FY 2009 spending from ESAs, TARP, everything is in the $3.517T number.

Pull all the numbers together and give me your claimed ending number for Bush.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Your source said $145.2B GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR

If you have another source that said the ESAs were on top of that, post them.

All the FY 2009 spending from ESAs, TARP, everything is in the $3.517T number.

Pull all the numbers together and give me your claimed ending number for Bush.

I just told you..

It's an APPRORIATED item....Scrubby paid for Iraqnam with EMERGENCY SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.

How many tries did it take you to pass the Series 7?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I just told you..

It's an APPRORIATED item....Scrubby paid for Iraqnam with EMERGENCY SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.

How many tries did it take you to pass the Series 7?

Bush appropriated the shit out of them. That's how they got into the $3.517 trillion total.
Just like he appropriated the money for TARP and for Fannie and Freddie.

So, what's Bush's honest ending number?

 

[The5thHorseman]

Bush appropriated the shit out of them. That's how they got into the $3.517 trillion total.
Just like he appropriated the money for TARP and for Fannie and Freddie.

So, what's Bush's honest ending number?

Stop...

Todd,

IF it was appropriated in the regular budget process, why would Scrub need to request it separately?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Stop...

Todd,

IF it was appropriated in the regular budget process, why would Scrub need to request it separately?

It was appropriated separately from the regular budget process.