A few questions so I will know who I'm dealing with...

[P F Tinmore]

Sixty-five years old, if I've got it right. That's a mere blip on the scope, Tinny, the way that Jewish folk measure time. Day-before-yesterday kind of stuff. They're workin' on it, and, within a generation or two after they've completed their consolidation efforts and your kindred have been scattered into surrounding countries and reestablished and living happy lives, the old boy's prediction will have come true. The game-clock continues to run down.

Cracks in Israel's wall.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VelkdSKOWgI]The Arabic Hour interviews an anti-war activist, Medea Benjamin - YouTube[/ame]

Can't you think of anything better than dragging in this Benjamin weirdo, Tinnie? Maybe Tinnie can put on a wig and a dress and join these silly Code Pink Ladies on their next nonsensical adventure. Meanwhile, instead of watching Banjamin, I would much rather watch this video.
Disputing Occupation: Israel?s Borders and Settlements in International Law | Israel Video Network

I watched your video. I have seen it before.

Point out something Medea Benjamin said that was not true then I will point out something in your video that was not true.

 

[toastman]

Hossly, don't fall for the 'indeed' trap Tinnie has set up for you !!!!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Show me how Palestine acquired any of its borders....

Toastman, don't fall into his trap.

Just duck the question like everyone else does.

 

[toastman]

Tinmore, if you were an animal, you'd be a ....yup ! You guessed it !

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, if this is true, then it comes with consequences.

If the Palestinians claim that all of Israel is inside Palestine, that Israel is an illegitimate state with no recognizable borders?

Yep, true.

(COMMENT)

By extension, the dispute between the Israeli and Palestinian then becomes an internal domestic, Palestinian matter.

As an internal domestic matter, totally within Palestine, then no International Law applies; no humanitarian law and no criminal law. Israel is in violation of nothing. It becomes a case of the Israelis attempting to realize their right of self-determination.

In effect, it becomes a civil war, for independence, between Israelites (approx 8 million) and the Palestinians (approx 4 million).

Is that what you are telling me?

Most Respectfully,
R

In effect, it becomes a civil war

Show me where an occupation can be part of a civil war.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are exactly correct.

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, if this is true, then it comes with consequences.

Yep, true.

(COMMENT)

By extension, the dispute between the Israeli and Palestinian then becomes an internal domestic, Palestinian matter.

As an internal domestic matter, totally within Palestine, then no International Law applies; no humanitarian law and no criminal law. Israel is in violation of nothing. It becomes a case of the Israelis attempting to realize their right of self-determination.

In effect, it becomes a civil war, for independence, between Israelites (approx 8 million) and the Palestinians (approx 4 million).

Is that what you are telling me?

Most Respectfully,
R

In effect, it becomes a civil war

Show me where an occupation can be part of a civil war.

(COMMENT)

My point exactly. It is not "Occupied Territory," but territory controlled by one side or the other in the civil war.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Roudy]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, if this is true, then it comes with consequences.

Yep, true.

(COMMENT)

By extension, the dispute between the Israeli and Palestinian then becomes an internal domestic, Palestinian matter.

As an internal domestic matter, totally within Palestine, then no International Law applies; no humanitarian law and no criminal law. Israel is in violation of nothing. It becomes a case of the Israelis attempting to realize their right of self-determination.

In effect, it becomes a civil war, for independence, between Israelites (approx 8 million) and the Palestinians (approx 4 million).

Is that what you are telling me?

Most Respectfully,
R

Brilliant.

A decades-long Civil War between Jewish-Israeli-Palestinians and Muslim-Arab-Palestinians?

Absolutely brilliant.

And modern-day Israel 'seceeded' from Palestine and legally defined its borders by force of arms (reaffirmed in large part by armistice and peace treaties between the Israelis and those outside nations that aided the Palestinians in the opening round of that civil war and which were ultimately obliged to cede land or to concede boundaries adjoining their own national land-mass).

In much the same way that the United States 'seceeded' from the British Empire.

Unless, of course, the Brits want to challenge the 'legality' of our borders, and we're obliged by International Law to give everything back, 'cause our borders aren't 'legal'.

Rep headed your way.

He's right. Didn't Muslims from neighboring countries pour into Lebanon and turn Christian majority Lebanon, into a Hezbollah Islamist Shariah dominated Muslim majority failed state?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are exactly correct.

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, if this is true, then it comes with consequences.


(COMMENT)

By extension, the dispute between the Israeli and Palestinian then becomes an internal domestic, Palestinian matter.

As an internal domestic matter, totally within Palestine, then no International Law applies; no humanitarian law and no criminal law. Israel is in violation of nothing. It becomes a case of the Israelis attempting to realize their right of self-determination.

In effect, it becomes a civil war, for independence, between Israelites (approx 8 million) and the Palestinians (approx 4 million).

Is that what you are telling me?

Most Respectfully,
R

In effect, it becomes a civil war

Show me where an occupation can be part of a civil war.

(COMMENT)

My point exactly. It is not "Occupied Territory," but territory controlled by one side or the other in the civil war.

Most Respectfully,
R

Are you suggesting that both sides are Palestinians?

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are exactly correct.

Show me where an occupation can be part of a civil war.

(COMMENT)

My point exactly. It is not "Occupied Territory," but territory controlled by one side or the other in the civil war.

Most Respectfully,
R

Are you suggesting that both sides are Palestinians?

Are you suggesting that all of Israel is occupied ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are exactly correct.


(COMMENT)

My point exactly. It is not "Occupied Territory," but territory controlled by one side or the other in the civil war.

Most Respectfully,
R

Are you suggesting that both sides are Palestinians?

Are you suggesting that all of Israel is occupied ?

No, Israel is not occupied.

 

[toastman]

Are you suggesting that both sides are Palestinians?

Are you suggesting that all of Israel is occupied ?

No, Israel is not occupied.

Ok, are you suggesting that cities like Tel - Aviv and Haifa are occupied ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are you suggesting that all of Israel is occupied ?

No, Israel is not occupied.

Ok, are you suggesting that cities like Tel - Aviv and Haifa are occupied ?

Yes.

 

[toastman]

There are no words. Just...



It must be fun living in that fantasy world of yours

 

[toastman]

Tell us Tinnie, are Haifa and Tel Aviv under military occupation ??

 

[Kondor3]

"...Are you suggesting that both sides are Palestinians?"

Let's pursue that line of thought for a moment...

Is it not true that in 1948, prior to Israel's Declaration of Statehood, that there were...

1. Jewish Palestinians

2. Muslim Palestinians

3. Christian Palestinians

..and that during the period 1947-1948, a civil war had broken-out between (1) and (2)?

 

[Roudy]

No, Israel is not occupied.

Ok, are you suggesting that cities like Tel - Aviv and Haifa are occupied ?

Yes.

Herein lies the problem: nut jobs like Tinmore posing as the "moderates" in the conflict, just like the radicals and extremists, they want the dismantling and destruction of the state of Israel.

So what's the difference and who does Israel have to negotiate "peace" with? Nothing and nobody. Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Onwards to annexation of the West Bank we go.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are you suggesting that all of Israel is occupied ?

No, Israel is not occupied.

Ok, are you suggesting that cities like Tel - Aviv and Haifa are occupied ?

Yes.

 

[toastman]

Is it a military occupation ?

 

[HistoryBefore67]

No, Israel is not occupied.

Ok, are you suggesting that cities like Tel - Aviv and Haifa are occupied ?

Yes.

What color is the sky in your little world?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

For several months now, I have argued that the Palestinian position is totally wrong, and that Israel is Israel; a separate and distinct nation with borders, defending its sovereignty. You have consistently argued that Israel has no borders. That it is a subdivision of the nation of Palestine, and totally contained within Palestine.

Shifting gears, let's see where that takes us.

You are exactly correct.

(COMMENT)
My point exactly. It is not "Occupied Territory," but territory controlled by one side or the other in the civil war.

Are you suggesting that both sides are Palestinians?

Are you suggesting that all of Israel is occupied ?

(COMMENT)

If there is no State of Israel, then it must be your Palestine.

The Jewish, being permanent residents of Palestine, if not Israelis - must be Palestinian.

If a conflict erupts between the Jewish and the Arabs, it must be a civil war, entirely contained within Palestine; between Palestinians; Palestinian Jews versus Palestinian Arabs.

Then it stands to reason that any territory controlled by the Jewish, is rebel-Palestinian held territory and not occupied territory by a state that does not exist.

Most Respectfully,
R