A few negative issues with President Trump

[BackAgain]

1. I was and I remain a Trump supporter.

2. Reasonable people can and do have differing views on some matters.

3. But that doesn’t give even a good man like Trump a totally free ride free from criticism. So, in that spirit, I think this thread can fairly list the things I want him to undo where he can:

A. Too late on the J6 pardons. But, while I support most of those pardons, I disapprove of the pardons of any J6 defendant who committed any act of violence against anyone.

B. Using an EO to attempt to ignite legal actions regarding the so-called “birthright” citizenship of the kids born here to illegal alien moms (or moms and dads) may be an effective way to get the ball rolling. But I’d prefer fewer EOs and much greater reliance on Congressional legislation.

C. To undo the damage caused by ex-President Biden’s policies and EO’s, I do applaud President Trump’s use of so many EO’s. But, I see no reason in this modern high tech Information age why the full text of each of his EO’s can’t be posted at his WH web site within moments of his signing them.

 

[Edgetho]

1. I was and I remain a Trump supporter.

Me too

2. Reasonable people can and do have differing views on some matters.

Mine is the only one that counts.

3. But that doesn’t give even a good man like Trump a totally free ride free from criticism. So, in that spirit, I think this thread can fairly list the things I want him to undo where he can:

The one thing most, if not all, Conservatives do wrong is they let "The Perfect" become the enemy of "The Good". Trump is not perfect but he is good. Really good. Really, really, really good. Bigly Good. The only 'perfect' person I know is my Wife.

A. Too late on the J6 pardons. But, while I support most of those pardons, I disapprove of the pardons of any J6 defendant who committed any act of violence against anyone.

So what if there was a little violence? They didn't hurt anybody. Smashed a couple of windows and mad Nazi Pelousy piss herself. So what?

B. Using an EO to attempt to ignite legal actions regarding the so-called “birthright” citizenship of the kids born here to illegal alien moms (or moms and dads) may be an effective way to get the ball rolling. But I’d prefer fewer EOs and much greater reliance on Congressional legislation.

An EO is a temporary solution to a lasting problem. It was the right thing to do

C. To undo the damage caused by ex-President Biden’s policies and EO’s, I do applaud President Trump’s use of so many EO’s. But, I see no reason in this modern high tech Information age why the full text of each of his EO’s can’t be posted at his WH web site within moments of his signing them.

I hate doing those listed type of responses. Sorry, but I thought it was the best way to respond to each point

 

[White 6]

1. I was and I remain a Trump supporter.

2. Reasonable people can and do have differing views on some matters.

3. But that doesn’t give even a good man like Trump a totally free ride free from criticism. So, in that spirit, I think this thread can fairly list the things I want him to undo where he can:

A. Too late on the J6 pardons. But, while I support most of those pardons, I disapprove of the pardons of any J6 defendant who committed any act of violence against anyone.

B. Using an EO to attempt to ignite legal actions regarding the so-called “birthright” citizenship of the kids born here to illegal alien moms (or moms and dads) may be an effective way to get the ball rolling. But I’d prefer fewer EOs and much greater reliance on Congressional legislation.

C. To undo the damage caused by ex-President Biden’s policies and EO’s, I do applaud President Trump’s use of so many EO’s. But, I see no reason in this modern high tech Information age why the full text of each of his EO’s can’t be posted at his WH web site within moments of his signing them.

I am definitely not a Trump supporter, but I have to say, I support most of those EOs he signed Monday.

My biggest kick out of the lot, was fking over seniors and Medicade people, letting big pharma raise the price on drugs back to Trump fist term levels, some of those life-saving drugs, they have to have, even if it means eating cat food, to afford the drugs, to benefit Big Pharma.

 

[Dante]

1. I was and I remain a Trump supporter.

2. Reasonable people can and do have differing views on some matters.

3. But that doesn’t give even a good man like Trump...

Therein lies the Great Big Yuge Elephant in the room.

A good man like Trump, whose coarse words and vile attacks on women (Trump says his insulting remarks toward women were for ‘entertainment’). were him engaging in humor.

A good man like Trump, who in a court of law was proven to be a sexual predator, engaging in vile attacks on women (The jury found Trump had committed sexual abuse and forcible touching, two of the three elements of Carroll's battery claim.).

A good man whose felony convictions make him 'the first former US president convicted of felony crimes.'

Reasonable people can have differences ('Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle' (Jefferson, 1801) Inaugural Address). But we are speaking of principles here.

Therefore I reject your apologetic reasoning, your *jesuitism.

*jesuitism: (often lowercase) a principle or practice, as casuistry, equivocation, or craft, ascribed to the Jesuits by their opponents.

 

[Dante]

I am definitely not a Trump supporter, but I have to say, I support most of those EOs he signed Monday.

My biggest kick out of the lot, was fking over seniors and Medicade people, letting big pharma raise the price on drugs back to Trump fist term levels, some of those life-saving drugs, they have to have, even if it means eating cat food, to afford the drugs, to benefit Big Pharma.

B-i-n-go!

A man for The People! The People-in-Charge.

 

[22lcidw]

I am definitely not a Trump supporter, but I have to say, I support most of those EOs he signed Monday.

My biggest kick out of the lot, was fking over seniors and Medicade people, letting big pharma raise the price on drugs back to Trump fist term levels, some of those life-saving drugs, they have to have, even if it means eating cat food, to afford the drugs, to benefit Big Pharma.

Around 1980 there were many articles about the then seniors. A percentage were eating cat food. In a few years massive increases in social security/medicare were approved. People were retiring from WW2 era. Congress kept adding things to it. And even penalizing some from it. The post WW2 generation from 1946 to 1964 is huge and putting pressures on it. The sad thing when government is involved with medicine is that the costs rise immensely even with the idea of compassion. It's like the government is seen as a sucker. In which the taxpayer pays the freight. You may be right. The younger people working though are struggling as the taxes are much more than income taxes.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Therein lies the Great Big Yuge Elephant in the room.

A good man like Trump, whose coarse words and vile attacks on women (Trump says his insulting remarks toward women were for ‘entertainment’). were him engaging in humor.

A good man like Trump, who in a court of law was proven to be a sexual predator, engaging in vile attacks on women (The jury found Trump had committed sexual abuse and forcible touching, two of the three elements of Carroll's battery claim.).

A good man whose felony convictions make him 'the first former US president convicted of felony crimes.'

Reasonable people can have differences ('Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle' (Jefferson, 1801) Inaugural Address). But we are speaking of principles here.

Therefore I reject your apologetic reasoning, your *jesuitism.

*jesuitism: (often lowercase) a principle or practice, as casuistry, equivocation, or craft, ascribed to the Jesuits by their opponents.

Since when do leftist like differing opinions or even compromise

 

[Dante]

The younger people working though are struggling as the taxes are much more than income taxes.

They need to grow up and toughen up. The nonsense that elders should be caring for the youngins?

America was founded on the next generations taking care of the older ones.

 

[Dante]

Since when do leftist like differing opinions or even compromise

Since anonymous trolls like you conflate everyone not to the far right as being somehow a 'leftist'?

 

[AntonToo]

A. Too late on the J6 pardons. But, while I support most of those pardons, I disapprove of the pardons of any J6 defendant who committed any act of violence against anyone.

Holy shit, finally at least ONE of so called law-and-order-supporting-conservative Trump fans on this website has said the obvious.

 

[Dante]

A. Too late on the J6 pardons. But, while I support most of those pardons, I disapprove of the pardons of any J6 defendant who committed any act of violence against anyone.

Can't escape being in favor of Trump with supporting this. He campaigned on it. Can't separate from it.

 

[odanny]

1. I was and I remain a Trump supporter.

I just love how you clarified this.

 

[Dante]

Holy shit, finally at least ONE so called law-and-order-supporting-conservative on this website has said the obvious.

yet he voted for the man who campaigned on setting them free and next comes attempts at retribution.

the apologists like BackAgain should not be allowed to hide from condemnation. They desire an escape from the consequences of action.

 

[Dante]

I just love how you clarified this.

 

[elektra]

A good man like Trump, whose coarse words and vile attacks on women (Trump says his insulting remarks toward women were for ‘entertainment’). were him engaging in humor.

Ah, you are Mr chivalry, one who never makes disparaging remarks. You are a liar and in all ways much worst than Trump.

Mr dainty, is here defending Rosie oddonell as a woman? Does Rosie oddonell identify as a woman?

Rosie disparages Trump on TV, literally insults his looks. All the democrats including dainty insult Trump and in democrats mind nobody can reply in kind

The foul mouthed democrats who support men kicking the shit out of women in sports are concerned that maga dare reply in kind to the fat pigs constantly insulting us

 

[White 6]

Around 1980 there were many articles about the then seniors. A percentage were eating cat food. In a few years massive increases in social security/medicare were approved. People were retiring from WW2 era. Congress kept adding things to it. And even penalizing some from it. The post WW2 generation from 1946 to 1964 is huge and putting pressures on it. The sad thing when government is involved with medicine is that the costs rise immensely even with the idea of compassion. It's like the government is seen as a sucker. In which the taxpayer pays the freight. You may be right. The younger people working though are struggling as the taxes are much more than income taxes.

Many of the ones that were negotiated prices were only high as a cats back if manufactured and sold here, but reasonably priced if exported, say, to Canada. Medicare, Medicaid, TriCare of the US Government constitute the largest single payers in the market, and should be able to force concessions when pharma Mfg costs to produce are pennies on the dollar to what patients, hospitals and pharmacies pay. Some, artificially inflated, when a company already making big profits at lower prices all over the world, change overnight in US, when company sold at a profit. I live in a state, where our longest term Senator voted against re-importation of drugs, to prevent people saving by buying drugs manufactured here, but exported to Canada at pennies on the dollar to what Americans are charged. It is a sorry state of affairs when Big Pharma is protected from having their drugs re-imported back to the country they were made in, to stick it to the American public for all the traffic will bear.

That's just my opinion, and I never have voted for her, for that reason.

 

[odanny]

Among the most outspoken was former Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell (Kentucky), who told Semafor: “No one should excuse violence. And particularly violence against police officers.”

Sen. Bill Cassidy (Louisiana) offered similar comments, telling reporters, “People who assault police officers, if they do the crime, they should do the time.”

“I’m disappointed to see that, and I do fear the message that is sent to these great men and women that stood by us,” Sen. Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) said, referring to the Capitol Police officers who were assaulted.

Sen. Thom Tillis (North Carolina) added: “Anybody who is convicted of assault on a police officer, I can’t get there, at all. I think it was a bad idea.”

Plenty of other Republicans didn’t seem to want to engage or offered muted responses.

Senate Majority Leader John Thune (South Dakota) said he was not “looking backwards” and claimed the blanket pardons were actually done on a case-by-case basis. Sen. Susan Collins (Maine) indicated she was unfamiliar with the pardons but would disagree with them if they were for violent offenders. Sen. John Cornyn (Texas) emphasized that it was Trump’s prerogative.

But perhaps most remarkably, some even approved:

• Sen. Ron Johnson (Wisconsin) told Fox News that he didn’t want to pardon violent offenders but that the Justice Department’s handling of the cases made him fully supportive.
• Sen. Tommy Tuberville (Alabama) said that he was “100 percent” for all of the pardons and that the defendants had served enough time. When pressed on those who assaulted police, Tuberville said that was “not acceptable” but that he “didn’t see” the video.
• Sen. Jim Banks (Indiana) added that it was a “disgrace how all of these people were treated” and said that because Trump had previewed his plans and won the election, his action was justified.

 

[odanny]

Not particularly popular with at least 1/2 of the country, and likely includes at least 30% of Trump supporters.

https://protectdemocracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Jan6PardonsPoll_Jan2025_Overview.pdf

 

[Dante]

Ah, you are Mr chivalry, one who never makes disparaging remarks. You are a liar and in all ways much worst than Trump.

Mr dainty, is here defending Rosie oddonell as a woman? Does Rosie oddonell identify as a woman?

Rosie disparages Trump on TV, literally insults his looks. All the democrats including dainty insult Trump and in democrats mind nobody can reply in kind

The foul mouthed democrats who support men kicking the shit out of women in sports are concerned that maga dare reply in kind to the fat pigs constantly insulting us

pathetic apologists

You're the type who would compare a kid stealing from a cookie jar, with a billionaire cheating on taxes in NYC

Former President Donald Trump's company is found guilty of criminal tax fraud

always with sad and pathetic attempts at some sort of equivalency.

 

[Dante]

Among the most outspoken was former Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell (Kentucky), who told Semafor: “No one should excuse violence. And particularly violence against police officers.”

Sen. Bill Cassidy (Louisiana) offered similar comments, telling reporters, “People who assault police officers, if they do the crime, they should do the time.”

“I’m disappointed to see that, and I do fear the message that is sent to these great men and women that stood by us,” Sen. Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) said, referring to the Capitol Police officers who were assaulted.

Sen. Thom Tillis (North Carolina) added: “Anybody who is convicted of assault on a police officer, I can’t get there, at all. I think it was a bad idea.”

Plenty of other Republicans didn’t seem to want to engage or offered muted responses.

Senate Majority Leader John Thune (South Dakota) said he was not “looking backwards” and claimed the blanket pardons were actually done on a case-by-case basis. Sen. Susan Collins (Maine) indicated she was unfamiliar with the pardons but would disagree with them if they were for violent offenders. Sen. John Cornyn (Texas) emphasized that it was Trump’s prerogative.

But perhaps most remarkably, some even approved:

• Sen. Ron Johnson (Wisconsin) told Fox News that he didn’t want to pardon violent offenders but that the Justice Department’s handling of the cases made him fully supportive.
• Sen. Tommy Tuberville (Alabama) said that he was “100 percent” for all of the pardons and that the defendants had served enough time. When pressed on those who assaulted police, Tuberville said that was “not acceptable” but that he “didn’t see” the video.
• Sen. Jim Banks (Indiana) added that it was a “disgrace how all of these people were treated” and said that because Trump had previewed his plans and won the election, his action was justified.

thank you