A Few Facts About The Palestinians

[P F Tinmore]

None of it is documented. Just the usual Zionist propaganda.

Well a, then what was said in the OP links that isn't true?

None of it is true. No need to itemize.

Your blanket denial is easily refuted.

The Hamas Charter, for one example, is available for viewing at many sites on the web.

Indeed, and they are all Israeli sites.

EVIDENCE as the last time you claimed something similar you had to admit you were wrong when the proof was shown.

OK, link to a Palestinian site that mentions the charter.

 

[P F Tinmore]

"It isn't true! Say it ain't so!"

Let's just do the first one. "Did Israel evict the Palestinians". Yes, the propaganda instantly debunked by Israeli intelligence no less. The rest of the assertions are as easily debunked. They are Zionist propaganda.

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

More rehashing of lies and false propaganda. The Arabs told the Palestinians to get out of the way, and after failing to destroy Israel, placed them in concentration camp style conditions for 20 years. This is well documented and Palestinian and Arab leaders are on record. Hence the creation of the faux "Palestinian cause" circa 1960's.

Just facts from a reliable academic publication that uses source documents provided by bonafide historians. All you have is propaganda, nothing you claim is documented.

The Palestinian cause and Palestinians were demanding their independence back in the 1920s as confirmed by source documents from British and League of Nations (now UN) archives. Not 1960. Stop the propaganda.

PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB
DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.


No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.
Sir,​

We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine, and to discuss the same in our capacity of representatives of the Arab People of Palestine.
​

If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration.

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

You see, the Palestinians were facing a fate that the Europeans are facing today if they don't stop the Muslim invasion now. The Palestinians were unable to stop the Jewish invasion at the time and it resulted in the end of Christian and Muslim Palestine. Allowing hordes of people of a different religion to enter one's land is big mistake.

​

A white paper is not worth the paper it is written on as evidence. If it was then the preceding ones would overrule yours and show that the majority of arab muslims in Palestine were illegal immigrants.

A White Paper does not change anything. It merely clarifies policy.

 

[Hollie]

Well a, then what was said in the OP links that isn't true?

None of it is true. No need to itemize.

Your blanket denial is easily refuted.

The Hamas Charter, for one example, is available for viewing at many sites on the web.

Indeed, and they are all Israeli sites.

EVIDENCE as the last time you claimed something similar you had to admit you were wrong when the proof was shown.

OK, link to a Palestinian site that mentions the charter.

Actually, I was looking for a renouncement of the Hamas (Death Cult) Charter but found nothing.

 

[Phoenall]

Well a, then what was said in the OP links that isn't true?

None of it is true. No need to itemize.

Your blanket denial is easily refuted.

The Hamas Charter, for one example, is available for viewing at many sites on the web.

Indeed, and they are all Israeli sites.

EVIDENCE as the last time you claimed something similar you had to admit you were wrong when the proof was shown.

OK, link to a Palestinian site that mentions the charter.

Like this ?



Palestine Center - The Charter of the Hamas

 

[Phoenall]

"It isn't true! Say it ain't so!"

Let's just do the first one. "Did Israel evict the Palestinians". Yes, the propaganda instantly debunked by Israeli intelligence no less. The rest of the assertions are as easily debunked. They are Zionist propaganda.

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

More rehashing of lies and false propaganda. The Arabs told the Palestinians to get out of the way, and after failing to destroy Israel, placed them in concentration camp style conditions for 20 years. This is well documented and Palestinian and Arab leaders are on record. Hence the creation of the faux "Palestinian cause" circa 1960's.

Just facts from a reliable academic publication that uses source documents provided by bonafide historians. All you have is propaganda, nothing you claim is documented.

The Palestinian cause and Palestinians were demanding their independence back in the 1920s as confirmed by source documents from British and League of Nations (now UN) archives. Not 1960. Stop the propaganda.

PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB
DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.


No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.


HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.
Sir,​

We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine, and to discuss the same in our capacity of representatives of the Arab People of Palestine.
​

If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration.

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

You see, the Palestinians were facing a fate that the Europeans are facing today if they don't stop the Muslim invasion now. The Palestinians were unable to stop the Jewish invasion at the time and it resulted in the end of Christian and Muslim Palestine. Allowing hordes of people of a different religion to enter one's land is big mistake.

​

A white paper is not worth the paper it is written on as evidence. If it was then the preceding ones would overrule yours and show that the majority of arab muslims in Palestine were illegal immigrants.

A White Paper does not change anything. It merely clarifies policy.

WRONG as it is issued before any policy is made, it is in fact a fact finding document and has no legality. I receive many every year from the UK government on the allocation of radio spectrum and the impact they could have on existing users.

 

[MJB12741]

How does anyone or any nation even begin to negotiate peace with a people who prefer death over life?

 

[montelatici]

How does anyone or any nation even begin to negotiate peace with a people who prefer death over life?

Yes, the Jews have never quite abandoned the Masada mentality. It's unfortunate.

 

[Hollie]

How does anyone or any nation even begin to negotiate peace with a people who prefer death over life?

Yes, the Jews have never quite abandoned the Masada mentality. It's unfortunate.

You're suffering from what is known as cognitive dissonance.

If you had taken the time to study history, you would have learned that it was the Jewish state that has repeatedly sought peace by way of returning lands won as a result of Arab-Moslem initiated wars of aggression.

It's the Islamist mentality that is the true hindrance to peace. It is this Islamist mentality that drives muhammedan ideology and muhammedan colonialism / wars of conquest.

Hamas is simply ISIS-lite in the grand scheme of Islamist ideology. Hamas, Islamic jihad and so many of the other Dark Ages Gee-had syndicates differ only in terms of body count. In the case of Hamas, fortunately, It is Israel that possesses the weapons and tactics to keep that particular version of Islamic Terrorism Int., Inc., on a short leash.

 

[MJB12741]

Israel has the capability to annihilate the Palestinians but lack the desire. The Palestinians have the deisire to annihile Israel but lack the capability. Let us all join together & pray the Palestinians won't push Israel to prove me right.

 

[montelatici]

Israel has the capability to annihilate the Palestinians but lack the desire. The Palestinians have the deisire to annihile Israel but lack the capability. Let us all join together & pray the Palestinians won't push Israel to prove me right.

Let's all join in and pray Israel is not stupid enough to cause its own destruction.

 

[Hollie]

Israel has the capability to annihilate the Palestinians but lack the desire. The Palestinians have the deisire to annihile Israel but lack the capability. Let us all join together & pray the Palestinians won't push Israel to prove me right.

Honestly, I don't see the so-called Pal'istanians as being anything but a continued, international irritant.

There's not a single Arab-Moslem nation that cares a whit about the Pals and certainly none who are going to wage war on behalf of that forever welfare fraud.

With such loveliness as a nukular Shia I-ran and now ISIS gnawing like rats at the heels of the Arabs-Moslems, the Islamist Gulf states have much bigger falafel to fry than bend and scrape to the Pali welfare fraud.

 

[Hollie]

Israel has the capability to annihilate the Palestinians but lack the desire. The Palestinians have the deisire to annihile Israel but lack the capability. Let us all join together & pray the Palestinians won't push Israel to prove me right.

Let's all join in and pray Israel is not stupid enough to cause its own destruction.

They won't. But let's understand that the Shia Mullocrats would be only too happy to sacrifice any and all of their despised Sunni/Salafi islamo-competition for a chance to "wipe Israel from the map".

You people never understand that you are your own worst enemy.

 

[Phoenall]

How does anyone or any nation even begin to negotiate peace with a people who prefer death over life?

Yes, the Jews have never quite abandoned the Masada mentality. It's unfortunate.

At least they fought and died for what they believed, unlike the muslims that are running away from the fight once again and expecting the west to save them

 

[Phoenall]

Israel has the capability to annihilate the Palestinians but lack the desire. The Palestinians have the deisire to annihile Israel but lack the capability. Let us all join together & pray the Palestinians won't push Israel to prove me right.

Let's all join in and pray Israel is not stupid enough to cause its own destruction.

It doesn't need to with idiots like you trying to foment and incite violence against the Jews

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, ,et al,

In cases such as these, one has to examine a number of sources, and be objective.

"It isn't true! Say it ain't so!"

Let's just do the first one. "Did Israel evict the Palestinians". Yes, the propaganda instantly debunked by Israeli intelligence no less. The rest of the assertions are as easily debunked. They are Zionist propaganda.

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

(COMMENT)

I direct your attention to a couple of sources:

• WHY DID THE ARABS LEAVE ISRAEL?.

• What caused the Palestinians to flee from Mandate Palestine in 1948?
​

I'm sure that there is some truth to both claims. Usually I would not even argue this point. But the pro-Palestinian campaign attempts to portray themselves as absolutely blameless for any outcome that befell them since the surrender of the Ottoman Empire. This claim that the Israeli evicted or forceable deported the Arabs is but one such virtual victim claim.

A contemporary Palestinian is someone who most frequently blames the Jewish People (Israelis); and consistently acts to transfer the responsibility for the loss of what they consider their territory by some right they cannot document.

• This is a culture that pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, and ethical principles, that that they do not actually possess.

• A Palestinian is a member of a culture that teach each successive generation that: Palestinians do not merited negative treatment or blame they are associated with as terrorists and jihadists. They see every negative observation of them as some kind of conspiracy orchestrated by the US and the Israelis.

• The Palestinian seldom accepts a fault for any of the decisions in self-determination.
​

These are characteristics most often associated with the weak and unsuccessful. It's easier to blame others (America, the UN, the Mandatory, the Jewish) for the shortcomings of the Arab Palestinian than it is to take responsibility for them; and to cooperatively develop amore successful strategy.

• It is less difficult for the Arab Palestinian to blame the Israelis than to admit they have more defects then they want to concede.

• It is less difficult for the Arab Palestinian to blame the Israelis than it is to improve their standard of living and engage in a focused nation building program.

• It is less difficult for the Arab Palestinian to blame the Israelis, America, and the UN than it is to face the reality that their expectations are beyond the reasonable expectation by using force, coercion and intimidation to defy the Resolution adopted by the General Assembly of more than a century ago; in a deliberate effort to alter by force the intent of establishment of a National Home for the Jewish people within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Allied Powers.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

Let me direct you to source documents based on comteporaneous IDF intelligence reports and a report on recently declassified British documents which confirm that the non-Jews were about to be massacred or evicted unless the Arab armies intervened successfully.

" a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

"Declassified UK reports document build-up of conflict, Jewish public's endorsement of their leaders' pro-terrorist stance and declare armies of Arab states were Palestinians' 'only hope'"

British officials predicted war – and Arab defeat – in Palestine in 1948

 

[docmauser1]

... Families of suicide bombers given £5m in British aid cash

Now, this is truly a wonderful example of spamming propaganda from outlandish propaganda sites.[/QUOTE]Yeah right. I like that dailymail piece, of course. 86 mln. pound sterling from the GB in aid mucho impessed me. Any other tits those "poah 'n robbed" palistanians milk, bth.?

 

[MJB12741]

montelatici, ,et al,

In cases such as these, one has to examine a number of sources, and be objective.

"It isn't true! Say it ain't so!"

Let's just do the first one. "Did Israel evict the Palestinians". Yes, the propaganda instantly debunked by Israeli intelligence no less. The rest of the assertions are as easily debunked. They are Zionist propaganda.

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

(COMMENT)

I direct your attention to a couple of sources:

• WHY DID THE ARABS LEAVE ISRAEL?.

• What caused the Palestinians to flee from Mandate Palestine in 1948?
​

I'm sure that there is some truth to both claims. Usually I would not even argue this point. But the pro-Palestinian campaign attempts to portray themselves as absolutely blameless for any outcome that befell them since the surrender of the Ottoman Empire. This claim that the Israeli evicted or forceable deported the Arabs is but one such virtual victim claim.

A contemporary Palestinian is someone who most frequently blames the Jewish People (Israelis); and consistently acts to transfer the responsibility for the loss of what they consider their territory by some right they cannot document.

• This is a culture that pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, and ethical principles, that that they do not actually possess.

• A Palestinian is a member of a culture that teach each successive generation that: Palestinians do not merited negative treatment or blame they are associated with as terrorists and jihadists. They see every negative observation of them as some kind of conspiracy orchestrated by the US and the Israelis.

• The Palestinian seldom accepts a fault for any of the decisions in self-determination.
​

These are characteristics most often associated with the weak and unsuccessful. It's easier to blame others (America, the UN, the Mandatory, the Jewish) for the shortcomings of the Arab Palestinian than it is to take responsibility for them; and to cooperatively develop amore successful strategy.

• It is less difficult for the Arab Palestinian to blame the Israelis than to admit they have more defects then they want to concede.

• It is less difficult for the Arab Palestinian to blame the Israelis than it is to improve their standard of living and engage in a focused nation building program.

• It is less difficult for the Arab Palestinian to blame the Israelis, America, and the UN than it is to face the reality that their expectations are beyond the reasonable expectation by using force, coercion and intimidation to defy the Resolution adopted by the General Assembly of more than a century ago; in a deliberate effort to alter by force the intent of establishment of a National Home for the Jewish people within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Allied Powers.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Losers commonly blame others for their failures & self destruction.

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, ,et al,

In cases such as these, one has to examine a number of sources, and be objective.

"It isn't true! Say it ain't so!"

Let's just do the first one. "Did Israel evict the Palestinians". Yes, the propaganda instantly debunked by Israeli intelligence no less. The rest of the assertions are as easily debunked. They are Zionist propaganda.

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

(COMMENT)

I direct your attention to a couple of sources:

• WHY DID THE ARABS LEAVE ISRAEL?.

• What caused the Palestinians to flee from Mandate Palestine in 1948?
​

I'm sure that there is some truth to both claims. Usually I would not even argue this point. But the pro-Palestinian campaign attempts to portray themselves as absolutely blameless for any outcome that befell them since the surrender of the Ottoman Empire. This claim that the Israeli evicted or forceable deported the Arabs is but one such virtual victim claim.

A contemporary Palestinian is someone who most frequently blames the Jewish People (Israelis); and consistently acts to transfer the responsibility for the loss of what they consider their territory by some right they cannot document.

• This is a culture that pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, and ethical principles, that that they do not actually possess.

• A Palestinian is a member of a culture that teach each successive generation that: Palestinians do not merited negative treatment or blame they are associated with as terrorists and jihadists. They see every negative observation of them as some kind of conspiracy orchestrated by the US and the Israelis.

• The Palestinian seldom accepts a fault for any of the decisions in self-determination.
​

These are characteristics most often associated with the weak and unsuccessful. It's easier to blame others (America, the UN, the Mandatory, the Jewish) for the shortcomings of the Arab Palestinian than it is to take responsibility for them; and to cooperatively develop amore successful strategy.

• It is less difficult for the Arab Palestinian to blame the Israelis than to admit they have more defects then they want to concede.

• It is less difficult for the Arab Palestinian to blame the Israelis than it is to improve their standard of living and engage in a focused nation building program.

• It is less difficult for the Arab Palestinian to blame the Israelis, America, and the UN than it is to face the reality that their expectations are beyond the reasonable expectation by using force, coercion and intimidation to defy the Resolution adopted by the General Assembly of more than a century ago; in a deliberate effort to alter by force the intent of establishment of a National Home for the Jewish people within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Allied Powers.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Losers commonly blame others for their failures & self destruction.

The intent of the Palestinians was to prevent European colonization of the land they inhabited. Full stop.

 

[Shusha]

The intent of the Palestinians was to prevent European colonization of the land they inhabited. Full stop.

The intent of the Palestinians was (is) to prevent Jewish sovereignty over any portion of the land they also inhabited and had historical ties to and to allow "colonization" (actually immigration or right of return) only of Arab Muslims.