A 28 year old CAPTAIN who was recently a “social officer” in the Biden WH and gets the perfect assignment flying military taxis so Generals ...

[Doc7505]

Yeah, seems like she was pushed ahead beyond where she shod have been. The Biden White Hose probably put a nod in for her.

BTW. Some 500 flying hours isn't a lot over a multi-year span. She had no business, IMHO, flying that night near a busy civilian airport.

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[CrusaderFrank]

Your source is incorrect in that she was not the PIC. She was actually under instruction of the CWO2 who had more flight experience. Ranks has no authority in the cockpit.

I only heard it once, but isn’t it a male voice when PAT 25 replies to Tower?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Captain is a command rank only in the Navy (and Coast Guard, I think). There, it's O-6, equivalent to full bird colonel in the other three branches.

In the Army company commanders are captains.

 

[Bell Huey]

450 hours of flight time -- but others here have noted that a helo pilot comes out of flight school with about 200 hours and those count towards total. So only 250 hours after flight school?? 4 years?​

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Noted in the statement the family put out, she was a "certified" "SHARP" counselor -- that stands for "Sexual Harrassment/Assault Response and Prevention Program." Has no relationship to flight proficiency.​

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She was also a White House Social Aid -- a voluntary program where she attended White House functions in full dress uniform as an Army Aviation representative. Again, has no relationship to flight proficiency.​

I was stationed in that unit years ago as a crew chief. Due to the mission, the people we flew, the lowest amount of hours for a pilot was about a 1000.

 

[PeterPilot]

She shouldn't have been promoted to O-3 if she didn't have enough flight time to command the aircraft.

Captain is a command rank and she only has enough flight time to be a co-pilot? There's something wrong with that.

The Army ain't what it used to be Bill.

 

[Bell Huey]

She shouldn't have been promoted to O-3 if she didn't have enough flight time to command the aircraft.

Captain is a command rank and she only has enough flight time to be a co-pilot? There's something wrong with that.

Back in the day, and I mean the 80s, that was not unusual. Aviation did not become a branch of the army until 1983. There were few commissioned officers > Warrant offices did most of the flying and were the PICs in most cases. Capts were PLT leaders and Majors were Company Commanders.

Many of the commissioned officers came and did a stint in aviation and then returned to their branch,

 

[PeterPilot]

I only heard it once, but isn’t it a male voice when PAT 25 replies to Tower?

Yes, I'm a little confused about just who was sitting in which seat in the helicopter. Two males and 1 female as I understand it.

 

[Bell Huey]

Yes, I'm a little confused about just who was sitting in which seat in the helicopter. Two males and 1 female as I understand it.

If the warrant officer was PIC he was probably in the left seat with the Capt in the right. Of course the Crew Chief would be left rear.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

The Army ain't what it used to be Bill.

That ain't no shit. They've really fucked over my Army.

 

[daveman]

In the Army company commanders are captains.

True. Never worked much with the Army.

 

[PeterPilot]

If the warrant officer was PIC he was probably in the left seat with the Capt in the right. Of course the Crew Chief would be left rear.

Now they're saying the ADS-B was turned off, and whoever was actually flying was wearing NVG over a highly lit area and was maybe "whited out" or whatever the proper term is with too much light from below for NVG.

The controller screwed up by not vectoring the helicopter away from airliner.

 

[Bell Huey]

Now they're saying the ADS-B was turned off, and whoever was actually flying was wearing NVG over a highly lit area and was maybe "whited out" or whatever the proper term is with too much light from below for NVG.

The controller screwed up by not vectoring the helicopter away from airliner.

I was an old Huey Crew Chief and just learned about ADS-B. We used just the old transponder. That is a bad route to be flying goggles/ As I understand the tower granted visual separation.

 

[PeterPilot]

I was an old Huey Crew Chief and just learned about ADS-B. We used just the old transponder. That is a bad route to be flying goggles/ As I understand the tower granted visual separation.

Most accidents, aviation and otherwise, are a series of events resulting in the accident. In this one the Army crew screwed up and so did the single controller in the tower. Shoulda, coulda, woulda....

 

[Bell Huey]

Most accidents, aviation and otherwise, are a series of events resulting in the accident. In this one the Army crew screwed up and so did the single controller in the tower. Shoulda, coulda, woulda....

Yup. It is ever one factor.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

The controller screwed up by not vectoring the helicopter away from airliner.

But was that the controller's screw up, since the Blackhawk pilot (whomever that was) requested visual separation?

 

[PeterPilot]

But was that the controller's screw up, since the Blackhawk pilot (whomever that was) requested visual separation?

Yes it was the controller's mistake. We know he was working alone and working both the tower and apparently an approach frequency too. Last week the government reported that the Blackhawk had disabled ADS-B, and I didn't know that could be done because ADS-B is largely satellite based. The Blackhawk violated airspace restrictions by being above 200 feet in that corridor.

As is the case with most aviation accidents, it was a series of errors by both players.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

In the Army company commanders are captains.

Depending on what type of unit it is, I had COs who were Majors.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Depending on what type of unit it is, I had COs who were Majors.

That doesn't change the fact that the rank of captain is a command rank.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

That doesn't change the fact that the rank of captain is a command rank.

I didn't say it did.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

I didn't say it did.

Then why did you even bring it up?