9th Circuit Craps On Arizona Voters...AGAIN!

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Congratulations to Arizona for joining the long list of states who recognize gay marriages

Yep....having recently visited the Flagstaff area and with this decision, Arizona has made our list of possible places to retire to.

Recognizing the rights of same-sex couples is good for a state's economy...

 

[Czernobog]

Good luck with that
Your ship has sailed

That's exactly what the prohibitionists said...before the law was repealed....

You do see the similarities between DADT, DOMA, and the 18th, right?

18th Amendment: violated a person's right to choose what to do with their body, time, and money.
DADT: violated a person's right to kepp their private life private.
DOMA: Violated a person's right to marry the person they love.

In all three cases we moved from restrictive laws violating individual freedom toward protection of individual liberty, and freedom of choice.

If you would like me to believe that, because you, and some other moralists, feel you have the right to dictate people's behavior for them, that we are going to, in fact, move toward, more restrictive behavior in a matter of personal choice, you're gonna have to show me some historical precedence to support that belief. At least, if you expect to be taken seriously, you do.

I'm not wandering down and endless rabbit hole with you.
My comment was in relation to laws being repealed and I cited the 18th amendment as an excellent example that we all know about...
You try to conflate all these other issues.
Not interested. Carry on.

Of course not, because that would force you to confront the untenable position you have staked out Constitutionally.

The "position" I "staked out" "constitutionally" was that bad laws can be repealed and I cited the 18th amendment.

And I merely pointed out what makes "bad laws" using the 18th amendment as one of the examples.

 

[AmericanFirst]

I would like to take this opportunity to welcome Arizona to the 21st century

You probably would have been one of the first to welcome Sodom and Gomorrah to the 3rd or 4th century B.C. Things didn't work out too well for them.

You mean when God got pissed and killed all those innocent children and puppies and kittens?

God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for the exact same reason you idiots are defending, gay sick sex.

You get that's a myth, right? At best it is allegorical.

Only anything to those who refuse to believe in God. Truth hurts the liars in the end, good luck.

 

[Czernobog]

I would like to take this opportunity to welcome Arizona to the 21st century

You probably would have been one of the first to welcome Sodom and Gomorrah to the 3rd or 4th century B.C. Things didn't work out too well for them.

You mean when God got pissed and killed all those innocent children and puppies and kittens?

God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for the exact same reason you idiots are defending, gay sick sex.

You get that's a myth, right? At best it is allegorical.

Only anything to those who refuse to believe in God. Truth hurts the liars in the end, good luck.

Okay. Same to you. In the mean time, you can believe whatever you want in your personal life. However, thanks to the Constitution, every time you use the "Magic Man in the Sky" justification for legislation, you will always lose.

 

[AmericanFirst]

You probably would have been one of the first to welcome Sodom and Gomorrah to the 3rd or 4th century B.C. Things didn't work out too well for them.

You mean when God got pissed and killed all those innocent children and puppies and kittens?

God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for the exact same reason you idiots are defending, gay sick sex.

Why did he kill the babies ?

They didn't have gay sex?

They would have been trained to live and accept the same lifestyle. Fortunately, they died before turning to or choosing evil so they get to live eternally in God's Kingdom. Much better than living in hell.

Preemptive killing of innocent babies?

How barbaric

Yet you probably support abortion(murder)? Hypocrite.

 

[Czernobog]

You mean when God got pissed and killed all those innocent children and puppies and kittens?

God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for the exact same reason you idiots are defending, gay sick sex.

Why did he kill the babies ?

They didn't have gay sex?

They would have been trained to live and accept the same lifestyle. Fortunately, they died before turning to or choosing evil so they get to live eternally in God's Kingdom. Much better than living in hell.

Preemptive killing of innocent babies?

How barbaric

Yet you probably support abortion(murder)? Hypocrite.

Abortion? No. However, do I support an individual's choice to make that decision for themselves? Well, since abortion isn't murder, because a fetus, by definition, isn't a person, yes. The individual liberties of an actual person always trump those of a mass of cells that may potentially turn into a person.

No hypocrisy necessary.

 

[bodecea]

Remember DOMA and DADT?

Remember the 18th amendment?

Good luck with that
Your ship has sailed

That's exactly what the prohibitionists said...before the law was repealed....

You do see the similarities between DADT, DOMA, and the 18th, right?

18th Amendment: violated a person's right to choose what to do with their body, time, and money.
DADT: violated a person's right to kepp their private life private.
DOMA: Violated a person's right to marry the person they love.

In all three cases we movd rom restrictive laws violated individual freedom toward protection of individual liberty, and freedom of choice.

If you would like me to believe that, because you, and some other moralists feel you have the right to dictate people's behavior for them, that we are going to, in fact, move toward, more restrictive behavior in a matter of personal choice, you're gonna have to show me some historical precedence to support that belief. At least, if you expect to be taken seriously, you do.

Behaviors don't get federal protection. And when you destroy democratic hopeful's chances at the polls by association with the LGBT agenda, you will find the new Congress defining that key point for you a bit more clearly.

My prediction is that all these silent, pissing on themselves "conservatives" will suddenly grow a spine about the LGBT agenda. But maybe Cheney's daughter has more of a say than that. She is one powerful lesbian with a daddy like that.

Sorry that you live in a fantasy world where politicians lose if they support gay equal rights. Because that's what it is now...a fantasy world.

 

[bodecea]

You mean when God got pissed and killed all those innocent children and puppies and kittens?

God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for the exact same reason you idiots are defending, gay sick sex.

Why did he kill the babies ?

They didn't have gay sex?

They would have been trained to live and accept the same lifestyle. Fortunately, they died before turning to or choosing evil so they get to live eternally in God's Kingdom. Much better than living in hell.

Preemptive killing of innocent babies?

How barbaric

Yet you probably support abortion(murder)? Hypocrite.

Would never have an abortion myself but I believe a woman has the right to control her own body until such time as a fetus becomes viable on it's own. You don't like abortion....don't have one.

 

[bodecea]

Good luck with that
Your ship has sailed

That's exactly what the prohibitionists said...before the law was repealed....

You do see the similarities between DADT, DOMA, and the 18th, right?

18th Amendment: violated a person's right to choose what to do with their body, time, and money.
DADT: violated a person's right to kepp their private life private.
DOMA: Violated a person's right to marry the person they love.

In all three cases we moved from restrictive laws violating individual freedom toward protection of individual liberty, and freedom of choice.

If you would like me to believe that, because you, and some other moralists, feel you have the right to dictate people's behavior for them, that we are going to, in fact, move toward, more restrictive behavior in a matter of personal choice, you're gonna have to show me some historical precedence to support that belief. At least, if you expect to be taken seriously, you do.

I'm not wandering down and endless rabbit hole with you.
My comment was in relation to laws being repealed and I cited the 18th amendment as an excellent example that we all know about...
You try to conflate all these other issues.
Not interested. Carry on.

Of course not, because that would force you to confront the untenable position you have staked out Constitutionally.

The "position" I "staked out" "constitutionally" was that bad laws can be repealed and I cited the 18th amendment.

The 18th amendment was repealed by the 21st amendment.....are you suggesting that you have enough votes to have an anti-gay marriage amendment passed?

 

[bodecea]

Collapse, partitioning and reconstruction of new smaller nations inside what used to be the u.s. is the next chapter in american history.

If Az goes, texas might also..if texas goes, louisiana will too..then others will follow...

imagine the "u.s." when deprived of all that oil and the port of new orleans. over 30% of the nations oil is either produced, refined here or comes in from the LOOP....

Just try it

We kicked your traitorous asses in 1865 and we will do it again

No...let Texas go.....it's a win/win.

 

[bodecea]

Collapse, partitioning and reconstruction of new smaller nations inside what used to be the u.s. is the next chapter in american history.

If Az goes, texas might also..if texas goes, louisiana will too..then others will follow...

imagine the "u.s." when deprived of all that oil and the port of new orleans. over 30% of the nations oil is either produced, refined here or comes in from the LOOP....

I'd gladly join the Texas Republic if it meant we could go to war with New York, Illinois, and California. We'd allow their normal citizens to join us before annihilating the pansy Libs who remained.

Go to war? So you want to repeat the mistake of the stupid leaders of the Confederacy, eh?

 

[bodecea]

Here's the deal....we're tired of being talked down to and punished like teenagers by the leftist asswipes running this government. Time after time we've followed the Constitution in our votes involving states rights. And time after time we are dismissed as idiots by those who've never spent a minute in our mountains, our ranches and fields, our cities and towns, or on the border out in the once beautiful Sonoran Desert. That time is coming to an END.

We didn't ring up $17T in debt....the potlickers in New England and California did that....so let THEM pay it off. And pay us off as a parting gift. We will join with states like ourselves and form a new country with our own currency, judiciary, and and legislature. We will require those outside our new union to produce a passport to enter our territory and we will be a model of the Nation the Founders envisioned and produced until 50 years ago. We might consider rejoining the old United States when it is debt and socialist free if and when that might happen. Until then, do without us and we'll do without you.

 

[bodecea]

Collapse, partitioning and reconstruction of new smaller nations inside what used to be the u.s. is the next chapter in american history.

If Az goes, texas might also..if texas goes, louisiana will too..then others will follow...

imagine the "u.s." when deprived of all that oil and the port of new orleans. over 30% of the nations oil is either produced, refined here or comes in from the LOOP....

Just try it

We kicked your traitorous asses in 1865 and we will do it again

You really believe the U.S. government would use violence in this day and age against a state that chose to secede? How would that look to the rest of the world? This isn't 1865. It's the 21st century now and those things are handled far more civilly. Was the UK prepared to bomb Scotland if it voted for secession?

Your suggestion is as absurd as his.

The country will collapse..nothing absurd about it.
Happens all the time. History is littered with the wreckage of collapsed governments..You think we're "special" somehow?

As far as attacking a seceding state...that makes as much sense as if your wife asks for a divorce you should beat her harder...

Why attack a seceding state? Especially if it's Texas. We'll give you a medal for leaving.

 

[bodecea]

Just try it

We kicked your traitorous asses in 1865 and we will do it again

COME ON DOWN ************!

Under Obama this flag is rapidly becoming the flag for losers:

Well, you LOST in 2008, loser. You LOST in 2012, loser. And you LOST in all the states that now have gay marriage, loser.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Alright ladies and gents....I started this thread to point out what's been done to Arizona law by a leftist asswipe 9th Circuit. One might remember we Cons are considerably more "tolerant" of queers than the leftists who use them for political advantage behind their backs. This thread wasn't to argue what's happening.....it was intended to point out that the 9th Circuit judge who pulled this crap, is now known as a fascist ***** who we do not recognize as having authority to judge our right to stay free of their agenda. Nothing was settled and nothing can be settled with the left. We can only take back the power they have stolen by one means or another and by any means necessary. I suggest all USMB Cons now leave this thread with their heads held high. Thank you my brothers.

Instead you've succeeded only to unwittingly point out your fear, ignorance, hate, and stupidity.

God you truly are a bag of constant cliché's.

 

[AmericanFirst]

..All your bluster and strutting isn't worth anything.

Gay people will start getting married in Arizona very soon and there's not one thing you or anyone can do about it.

You can keep talking about leaving the union but it's not going to happen.

Meanwhile gay people will be getting married in Arizona soon....

Just as polygamists and others may do now that there is a dead law there as in so many other states. Thanks for lawless marriages Conservative Justices and AGs! You could've challenged this. You could've paid attention to the poll here and noted the 82% number opposed to gay marriage: Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings Page 174 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum You could've noticed the million likes on "Boycott A&E" Facebook page in less than 24 hours in support of Phil Robertson. You could've noticed the lines wrapping around the block at Chic Fil-A...

This silent majority is going to keep upsetting predictions until you ignore gay-sponsored polliing with leading questions [as the cult of LGBT rabidly promotes squelching of the popular vote...wonder why?...] and start paying attention to MANIFEST numbers opposed to gay marriage IN THE REAL WORLD.

You're not the majority anymore. The majority of the people in America support marriage equality.

Just because 1 million people out of over 300 million clicked on a poll on line doesn't equate to the majority of Americans not supporting marriage equality.

The issue isn't duck dynasty, chick fill A, or marriage in a church. The issue is marriage equality.

Not many people get married in a church these days. The last time I went to a wedding in a church was in the early 1990s.

Gay people aren't going to go where they're denied the marriage ceremony. They're going to go where someone will legally marry them. Whether they're married in a church or not, they're still just as married as any heterosexual couple.

You can bring up things that don't matter all you want but it's not going to make any difference.

Gay people will soon get legally married in Arizona and there's not one single thing you can do about it.

A gay marrying in a Churchis kinda hypocritical. Can't be gay and Christian. Wouldn't happen in my Church.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Just try it

We kicked your traitorous asses in 1865 and we will do it again

COME ON DOWN ************!

Under Obama this flag is rapidly becoming the flag for losers:

Well, you LOST in 2008, loser. You LOST in 2012, loser. And you LOST in all the states that now have gay marriage, loser.

You will lose in the end.

 

[bodecea]

let 'em freeze in the dark when winter comes.

We'll become energy independent overnight and sell our oil to people who appreciate it.

And let em pound sand when they need our oranges and grapefruit to ward off their winter colds...heh heh

Are you that stupid that you forgot California?

 

[AmericanFirst]

Just as polygamists and others may do now that there is a dead law there as in so many other states. Thanks for lawless marriages Conservative Justices and AGs! You could've challenged this. You could've paid attention to the poll here and noted the 82% number opposed to gay marriage: Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings Page 174 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum You could've noticed the million likes on "Boycott A&E" Facebook page in less than 24 hours in support of Phil Robertson. You could've noticed the lines wrapping around the block at Chic Fil-A...

This silent majority is going to keep upsetting predictions until you ignore gay-sponsored polliing with leading questions [as the cult of LGBT rabidly promotes squelching of the popular vote...wonder why?...] and start paying attention to MANIFEST numbers opposed to gay marriage IN THE REAL WORLD.

You're not the majority anymore. The majority of the people in America support marriage equality.

Just because 1 million people out of over 300 million clicked on a poll on line doesn't equate to the majority of Americans not supporting marriage equality.

The issue isn't duck dynasty, chick fill A, or marriage in a church. The issue is marriage equality.

Not many people get married in a church these days. The last time I went to a wedding in a church was in the early 1990s.

Gay people aren't going to go where they're denied the marriage ceremony. They're going to go where someone will legally marry them. Whether they're married in a church or not, they're still just as married as any heterosexual couple.

You can bring up things that don't matter all you want but it's not going to make any difference.

Gay people will soon get legally married in Arizona and there's not one single thing you can do about it.

laws are repealed all the time.

Remember DOMA and DADT?

Remember the 18th amendment?

You're problem is that you need the majority of the nation on your side.

You're in the minority here on this issue. The majority of the people in America support marriage equality.

Have fun trying to get an amendment to the constitution passed that allows for bigotry.

Not really, people just choose to stay at neutral and not make the cry baby gays mad.

 

[bodecea]

The appearance of a thing is not the thing itself. Courts imposing same sex marriage is not the same thing as accepting same sex marriage. How long ago was it that we had court ordered integration? Arguably racial relations are worse today than when that became law. How long has abortion been a right? The fight has not diminished a bit. It's only become more entrenched.

Gays and lesbians want acceptance of their relationships as normal. No judicial decision can force people to normalize homosexuality. Legal decisions can only go so far. They can't stop a family from disowning a homosexual child. They can't stop social groups from freezing that gay couple out. They can't stop parents from taking their kids home. While a gay couple can force a business to accommodate them they cannot force customer service.

Ultimately no law can force acceptance. Caring cannot be mandated.

When I say "lost cause" I'm only referring to the law. I know just like abortion, there will always be a division when it comes to gay marriage. I have pointed out many times for instance, that I will never view a gay couple as being married. I will never view them in the same light as a straight married couple.

Abortion doesn't force itself onto others the way homo marriage does.

How sad to think you might be forced to have a gay marriage some day.