40 Reasons Not To Re-Elect Barack Obama

[elvis]

40 reasons I can give you 16 trillion and counting.

half of which belongs to his predecessor. but I'm sure you didn't blame him for anything.

Which he did in eight years instead of four, why in the hell are we wanting to double down?

More debt for the future generations. What a plan!

Both morons will have been elected twice.

 

[Wolfsister77]

OK, I'm just gonna address your first point for right now.

Obama did not take 716 billion out of Medicare and put it into Obamacare. These are cuts in overpayments to providers and Medicare Advantage. And these cuts are supported by Ryan's plan that Romney supports. They are intended to keep Medicare solvent and were agree'd upon by the providers.

The extra money does not come out of any benefits that Medicare recipients receive. In fact, they are going to close the doughnut hole and Medicare recipients are actually going to save money on their prescriptions. And, they will get free preventative care that they didn't have before.

So Medicare will be improved and be solvent for longer.

Romney likes Ryan's plan which will turn Medicare into a voucher program with a voucher to buy private insurance that will be worth less and less as time goes on and they'll have to pay more and more out of pocket.

There is a reason Medicare was created and that was because Seniors generally have more health issues and are more expensive to insure. Medicare keeps the costs from going up. Private insurance can raise the rates, therefore making the vouchers less valuable and Seniors paying more out of their own pocket and nothing is there to guarantee they even get insurance like they have now with Medicare.

Please do some fact checking before repeating Romney's lies.

Thank You

 

[elvis]

40 reasons I can give you 16 trillion and counting.

half of which belongs to his predecessor. but I'm sure you didn't blame him for anything.

Then you would be wrong Bush mess ups don't excuse Obama's though.

Of course they don't.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

OK, I'm just gonna address your first point for right now.

Obama did not take 716 billion out of Medicare and put it into Obamacare. These are cuts in overpayments to providers and Medicare Advantage. And these cuts are supported by Ryan's plan that Romney supports. They are intended to keep Medicare solvent and were agree'd upon by the providers.

The extra money does not come out of any benefits that Medicare recipients receive. In fact, they are going to close the doughnut hole and Medicare recipients are actually going to save money on their prescriptions. And, they will get free preventative care that they didn't have before.

So Medicare will be improved and be solvent for longer.

Romney likes Ryan's plan which will turn Medicare into a voucher program with a voucher to buy private insurance that will be worth less and less as time goes on and they'll have to pay more and more out of pocket.

There is a reason Medicare was created and that was because Seniors generally have more health issues and are more expensive to insure. Medicare keeps the costs from going up. Private insurance can raise the rates, therefore making the vouchers less valuable and Seniors paying more out of their own pocket and nothing is there to guarantee they even get insurance like they have now with Medicare.

Please do some fact checking before repeating Romney's lies.

Thank You

it was the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) that made the cuts to Medicare....and Obama will keep those savings for his Obamacare program which combined with his open borders policy will just overload the whole system to where rationed care will become the norm...

they all agree on cutting back fraud and waste but Romney will not use the savings to underwrite Obamacare....a senior will still be able to keep his regular Medicare....but the voucher option will promote more choices and savings....this will help to save the program.....which under Obama will continue on its way into bankruptcy....

 

[Greenbeard]

they all agree on cutting back fraud and waste but Romney will not use the savings to underwrite Obamacare....a senior will still be able to keep his regular Medicare....but the voucher option will promote more choices and savings....this will help to save the program.....which under Obama will continue on its way into bankruptcy....

No, they don't agree on that.

Obama didn't take any money from Medicare; the program's trust funds have the same amount of money in them and the dedicated revenue streams that belong to the program continue to bring funds into it. None of that money has been diverted or taken from the program.

What Obama did was reduce Medicare's financial obligations (without touching guaranteed benefits). The program will no longer waste money on unneeded excess payments to private insurers and large providers. Its spending will slow; the actual cash it has in its trust fund or is bringing in through premiums and payroll taxes is still there. But it's on the hook for less spending now, meaning the trust fund will be depleted more slowly.

Romney is proposing to reinstate those wasteful obligations, accelerate the program's spending, and deplete the trust fund more quickly. Under his proposal, the trust fund will be insolvent in 2016, before the end of his first term and long before his hypothetical reforms begin in 2023. He's angling to destroy the program over the next few years.

Or as Bill Clinton so ably put it the other night:

Now, At least on this issue, on this one issue, Gov. Romney's been consistent. He attacked President Obama too, but he actually wants to repeal those savings and give the money back to the insurance companies. He wants to go back to the old system, which means we’ll re-open the donut hole and force seniors to pay more for drugs, and we’ll reduce the life of the Medicare Trust Fund by eight full years. So if he's elected and does what he promised to do Medicare will now go broke by 2016. Think about that. That means, after all, we won't have to wait until their voucher program kicks in in 2023 to see the end Medicare as we know it. They’re going to do it to us sooner than we thought.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

they all agree on cutting back fraud and waste but Romney will not use the savings to underwrite Obamacare....a senior will still be able to keep his regular Medicare....but the voucher option will promote more choices and savings....this will help to save the program.....which under Obama will continue on its way into bankruptcy....

No, they don't agree on that.

Obama didn't take any money from Medicare; the program's trust funds have the same amount of money in them and the dedicated revenue streams that belong to the program continue to bring funds into it. None of that money has been diverted or taken from the program.

What Obama did was reduce Medicare's financial obligations (without touching guaranteed benefits). The program will no longer waste money on unneeded excess payments to private insurers and large providers. Its spending will slow; the actual cash it has in its trust fund or is bringing in through premiums and payroll taxes is still there. But it's on the hook for less spending now, meaning the trust fund will be depleted more slowly.

Romney is proposing to reinstate those wasteful obligations, accelerate the program's spending, and deplete the trust fund more quickly. Under his proposal, the trust fund will be insolvent in 2016, before the end of his first term and long before his hypothetical reforms begin in 2023. He's angling to destroy the program over the next few years.

Or as Bill Clinton so ably put it the other night:

Now, At least on this issue, on this one issue, Gov. Romney's been consistent. He attacked President Obama too, but he actually wants to repeal those savings and give the money back to the insurance companies. He wants to go back to the old system, which means we’ll re-open the donut hole and force seniors to pay more for drugs, and we’ll reduce the life of the Medicare Trust Fund by eight full years. So if he's elected and does what he promised to do Medicare will now go broke by 2016. Think about that. That means, after all, we won't have to wait until their voucher program kicks in in 2023 to see the end Medicare as we know it. They’re going to do it to us sooner than we thought.

Those pesky facts continue to bedevil the right.

And the above is one of many good reasons not to vote for Romney.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

they all agree on cutting back fraud and waste but Romney will not use the savings to underwrite Obamacare....a senior will still be able to keep his regular Medicare....but the voucher option will promote more choices and savings....this will help to save the program.....which under Obama will continue on its way into bankruptcy....

No, they don't agree on that.

Obama didn't take any money from Medicare; the program's trust funds have the same amount of money in them and the dedicated revenue streams that belong to the program continue to bring funds into it. None of that money has been diverted or taken from the program.

What Obama did was reduce Medicare's financial obligations (without touching guaranteed benefits). The program will no longer waste money on unneeded excess payments to private insurers and large providers. Its spending will slow; the actual cash it has in its trust fund or is bringing in through premiums and payroll taxes is still there. But it's on the hook for less spending now, meaning the trust fund will be depleted more slowly.

Romney is proposing to reinstate those wasteful obligations, accelerate the program's spending, and deplete the trust fund more quickly. Under his proposal, the trust fund will be insolvent in 2016, before the end of his first term and long before his hypothetical reforms begin in 2023. He's angling to destroy the program over the next few years.

Or as Bill Clinton so ably put it the other night:

Now, At least on this issue, on this one issue, Gov. Romney's been consistent. He attacked President Obama too, but he actually wants to repeal those savings and give the money back to the insurance companies. He wants to go back to the old system, which means we’ll re-open the donut hole and force seniors to pay more for drugs, and we’ll reduce the life of the Medicare Trust Fund by eight full years. So if he's elected and does what he promised to do Medicare will now go broke by 2016. Think about that. That means, after all, we won't have to wait until their voucher program kicks in in 2023 to see the end Medicare as we know it. They’re going to do it to us sooner than we thought.

under Obamacare January 2013 Medicare reimbursements will be reduced by about 30%.....

Romney will repeal Obamacare which will bring the whole socialist system to a screeching halt.....you can say the original bankruptcy dates will come back into play but that does not mean Medicare is going to go bankrupt under his watch....he will attack fraud just as much as Obama but he will not needlessly spend on Obamacare......in fact his plan will save Medicare for the long haul as a viable, healthy free market health program instead of a socialized nightmare of rationed care.....

under Obamacare a government IPAB panel will be set up in 2013 to ration care.....

under the Romney/Ryan plan seniors 55+ will continue to get the same benefits promised to them....

 

[Wolfsister77]

OK, I'm just gonna address your first point for right now.

Obama did not take 716 billion out of Medicare and put it into Obamacare. These are cuts in overpayments to providers and Medicare Advantage. And these cuts are supported by Ryan's plan that Romney supports. They are intended to keep Medicare solvent and were agree'd upon by the providers.

The extra money does not come out of any benefits that Medicare recipients receive. In fact, they are going to close the doughnut hole and Medicare recipients are actually going to save money on their prescriptions. And, they will get free preventative care that they didn't have before.

So Medicare will be improved and be solvent for longer.

Romney likes Ryan's plan which will turn Medicare into a voucher program with a voucher to buy private insurance that will be worth less and less as time goes on and they'll have to pay more and more out of pocket.

There is a reason Medicare was created and that was because Seniors generally have more health issues and are more expensive to insure. Medicare keeps the costs from going up. Private insurance can raise the rates, therefore making the vouchers less valuable and Seniors paying more out of their own pocket and nothing is there to guarantee they even get insurance like they have now with Medicare.

Please do some fact checking before repeating Romney's lies.

Thank You

it was the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) that made the cuts to Medicare....and Obama will keep those savings for his Obamacare program which combined with his open borders policy will just overload the whole system to where rationed care will become the norm...

they all agree on cutting back fraud and waste but Romney will not use the savings to underwrite Obamacare....a senior will still be able to keep his regular Medicare....but the voucher option will promote more choices and savings....this will help to save the program.....which under Obama will continue on its way into bankruptcy....

You couldn't be more wrong. Please educate yourself on this. There is plenty of good information out there. Just repeating talking points that are false does no one any good.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

they all agree on cutting back fraud and waste but Romney will not use the savings to underwrite Obamacare....a senior will still be able to keep his regular Medicare....but the voucher option will promote more choices and savings....this will help to save the program.....which under Obama will continue on its way into bankruptcy....

No, they don't agree on that.

Obama didn't take any money from Medicare; the program's trust funds have the same amount of money in them and the dedicated revenue streams that belong to the program continue to bring funds into it. None of that money has been diverted or taken from the program.

What Obama did was reduce Medicare's financial obligations (without touching guaranteed benefits). The program will no longer waste money on unneeded excess payments to private insurers and large providers. Its spending will slow; the actual cash it has in its trust fund or is bringing in through premiums and payroll taxes is still there. But it's on the hook for less spending now, meaning the trust fund will be depleted more slowly.

Romney is proposing to reinstate those wasteful obligations, accelerate the program's spending, and deplete the trust fund more quickly. Under his proposal, the trust fund will be insolvent in 2016, before the end of his first term and long before his hypothetical reforms begin in 2023. He's angling to destroy the program over the next few years.

Or as Bill Clinton so ably put it the other night:

Now, At least on this issue, on this one issue, Gov. Romney's been consistent. He attacked President Obama too, but he actually wants to repeal those savings and give the money back to the insurance companies. He wants to go back to the old system, which means we’ll re-open the donut hole and force seniors to pay more for drugs, and we’ll reduce the life of the Medicare Trust Fund by eight full years. So if he's elected and does what he promised to do Medicare will now go broke by 2016. Think about that. That means, after all, we won't have to wait until their voucher program kicks in in 2023 to see the end Medicare as we know it. They’re going to do it to us sooner than we thought.

Those pesky facts continue to bedevil the right.

And the above is one of many good reasons not to vote for Romney.

this is the real fact....

Obamacare has ALREADY ended Medicare as we know it.....

 

[ScreamingEagle]

OK, I'm just gonna address your first point for right now.

Obama did not take 716 billion out of Medicare and put it into Obamacare. These are cuts in overpayments to providers and Medicare Advantage. And these cuts are supported by Ryan's plan that Romney supports. They are intended to keep Medicare solvent and were agree'd upon by the providers.

The extra money does not come out of any benefits that Medicare recipients receive. In fact, they are going to close the doughnut hole and Medicare recipients are actually going to save money on their prescriptions. And, they will get free preventative care that they didn't have before.

So Medicare will be improved and be solvent for longer.

Romney likes Ryan's plan which will turn Medicare into a voucher program with a voucher to buy private insurance that will be worth less and less as time goes on and they'll have to pay more and more out of pocket.

There is a reason Medicare was created and that was because Seniors generally have more health issues and are more expensive to insure. Medicare keeps the costs from going up. Private insurance can raise the rates, therefore making the vouchers less valuable and Seniors paying more out of their own pocket and nothing is there to guarantee they even get insurance like they have now with Medicare.

Please do some fact checking before repeating Romney's lies.

Thank You

it was the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) that made the cuts to Medicare....and Obama will keep those savings for his Obamacare program which combined with his open borders policy will just overload the whole system to where rationed care will become the norm...

they all agree on cutting back fraud and waste but Romney will not use the savings to underwrite Obamacare....a senior will still be able to keep his regular Medicare....but the voucher option will promote more choices and savings....this will help to save the program.....which under Obama will continue on its way into bankruptcy....

You couldn't be more wrong. Please educate yourself on this. There is plenty of good information out there. Just repeating talking points that are false does no one any good.

point out exactly where i am wrong...

 

[blackhawk]

half of which belongs to his predecessor. but I'm sure you didn't blame him for anything.

It goes back a little further then that.

Considering the debt has not been paid down in 55 years........

But thanks anyway.........

Half the number belongs to Bush. I never said how far back in time the debt goes. Are you just slow today or what?

The current debt is 16 trillion it was around 5 trillion when Bush was sworn in and around ten trillion when he left so he would own a third of it not half.

 

[Wolfsister77]

they all agree on cutting back fraud and waste but Romney will not use the savings to underwrite Obamacare....a senior will still be able to keep his regular Medicare....but the voucher option will promote more choices and savings....this will help to save the program.....which under Obama will continue on its way into bankruptcy....

No, they don't agree on that.

Obama didn't take any money from Medicare; the program's trust funds have the same amount of money in them and the dedicated revenue streams that belong to the program continue to bring funds into it. None of that money has been diverted or taken from the program.

What Obama did was reduce Medicare's financial obligations (without touching guaranteed benefits). The program will no longer waste money on unneeded excess payments to private insurers and large providers. Its spending will slow; the actual cash it has in its trust fund or is bringing in through premiums and payroll taxes is still there. But it's on the hook for less spending now, meaning the trust fund will be depleted more slowly.

Romney is proposing to reinstate those wasteful obligations, accelerate the program's spending, and deplete the trust fund more quickly. Under his proposal, the trust fund will be insolvent in 2016, before the end of his first term and long before his hypothetical reforms begin in 2023. He's angling to destroy the program over the next few years.

Or as Bill Clinton so ably put it the other night:

Now, At least on this issue, on this one issue, Gov. Romney's been consistent. He attacked President Obama too, but he actually wants to repeal those savings and give the money back to the insurance companies. He wants to go back to the old system, which means we’ll re-open the donut hole and force seniors to pay more for drugs, and we’ll reduce the life of the Medicare Trust Fund by eight full years. So if he's elected and does what he promised to do Medicare will now go broke by 2016. Think about that. That means, after all, we won't have to wait until their voucher program kicks in in 2023 to see the end Medicare as we know it. They’re going to do it to us sooner than we thought.

under Obamacare January 2013 Medicare reimbursements will be reduced by about 30%.....

Romney will repeal Obamacare which will bring the whole socialist system to a screeching halt.....you can say the original bankruptcy dates will come back into play but that does not mean Medicare is going to go bankrupt under his watch....he will attack fraud just as much as Obama but he will not needlessly spend on Obamacare......in fact his plan will save Medicare for the long haul as a viable, healthy free market health program instead of a socialized nightmare of rationed care.....

under Obamacare a government IPAB panel will be set up in 2013 to ration care.....

under the Romney/Ryan plan seniors 55+ will continue to get the same benefits promised to them....

Listen, if Obamacare is repealed, a lot of people are gonna pay the price. Including Seniors who will have to pay more for their drugs and lose out on the preventative care they are getting. Not to mention others are getting. And those people with pre-existing conditions or are too sick to get coverage-they are boned. So are the people who's children are on their parents policy until they are 26.

You are very foolish if you believe Romney will save Medicare with his policies. His voucher program will turn Seniors over to the whims of private insurance companies with vouchers that will not be able to cover the same costs that Medicare now does.

Really, you are sounding very uninformed on this issue. Sad, really.

 

[Greenbeard]

under Obamacare January 2013 Medicare reimbursements will be reduced by about 30%.....

No. Obamacare generally doesn't reduce Medicare reimbursements to providers (other than reducing the extra payments they currently get to care for the uninsured, payments they obviously won't need when Obamacare is in effect).

It slows the growth rate at which reimbursements increase in the future (lab services are the exception here where small decreases are possible). See the AMA's handy "Major Medicare savings under health reform legislation":

Market basket adjustments for facilities and suppliers—$157 billion savings over 10 years

Most Medicare providers, other than physicians, receive annual market basket payment updates based on growth in the costs of goods and services or on the Consumer Price Index (CPI). Also unlike physicians, these updates are not subject to an annual adjustment to reflect increased productivity. The legislation addresses this inequity by providing for annual productivity adjustments for each market basket or CPI update for the various provider categories. Additional provisions for the following providers, include:

• Acute care hospitals, long-term care hospitals, inpatient rehabilitation facilities, inpatient psychiatric facilities and outpatient hospitals—additional reductions in market basket of between 0.1 percent and 0.75 percent annually through 2019 and productivity adjustment starts in 2012.
• Skilled nursing facilities—productivity adjustments start in 2012.
• Home health agencies—productivity factor starts in 2013 and additional market basket reduction of 1 percent scheduled for 2011-2013.
• Hospice care—productivity adjustment begins in 2013 and additional market basket reductions of 0.3 percent contingent upon level of uninsured may be imposed annually through 2019.
• Dialysis—eliminates 1 percent reduction scheduled for 2012 and begins productivity adjustments in 2012.
• Ambulance services—productivity adjustment begins in 2011.
• Ambulatory surgical services—productivity adjustment applied beginning in 2011.
• Laboratory services—1.75 percent reductions for 2011-2015 (negative updates allowed) and productivity adjustment begins in 2011, but would not be allowed to take update below zero.
• Certain durable medical equipment (DME)—productivity adjustment applied beginning in 2011 and increase scheduled for 2014 is eliminated.
• Prosthetic devices, orthotics and prosthetics—productivity adjustment factor begins in 2011.
• Other DME items—productivity adjustment factor begins in 2011.

It's exactly because Romney increases spending on all of these categories that Medicare will be broke before the end of his first term.

under Obamacare a government IPAB panel will be set up in 2013 to ration care.....

The IPAB is forbidden by law to ration anything. That said, the IPAB only gets to make recommendations on improvements to the program if per capita Medicare cost growth exceeds a target growth rate. Since Medicare cost growth has reached some of its lowest levels ever, the IPAB may not even be empowered to make recommendations.

under the Romney/Ryan plan seniors 55+ will continue to get the same benefits promised to them....

No, they won't. As already noted, Romney-Ryan would exhaust the trust fund in 2016, affecting current beneficiary benefits. They're pledging to re-open the donut hole for prescription drug coverage and eliminate preventive benefits seniors have been enjoying for multiple years now. They're promising to slash funding for nursing homes and other long-term care for the nation's seniors.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

No, they don't agree on that.

Obama didn't take any money from Medicare; the program's trust funds have the same amount of money in them and the dedicated revenue streams that belong to the program continue to bring funds into it. None of that money has been diverted or taken from the program.

What Obama did was reduce Medicare's financial obligations (without touching guaranteed benefits). The program will no longer waste money on unneeded excess payments to private insurers and large providers. Its spending will slow; the actual cash it has in its trust fund or is bringing in through premiums and payroll taxes is still there. But it's on the hook for less spending now, meaning the trust fund will be depleted more slowly.

Romney is proposing to reinstate those wasteful obligations, accelerate the program's spending, and deplete the trust fund more quickly. Under his proposal, the trust fund will be insolvent in 2016, before the end of his first term and long before his hypothetical reforms begin in 2023. He's angling to destroy the program over the next few years.

Or as Bill Clinton so ably put it the other night:

under Obamacare January 2013 Medicare reimbursements will be reduced by about 30%.....

Romney will repeal Obamacare which will bring the whole socialist system to a screeching halt.....you can say the original bankruptcy dates will come back into play but that does not mean Medicare is going to go bankrupt under his watch....he will attack fraud just as much as Obama but he will not needlessly spend on Obamacare......in fact his plan will save Medicare for the long haul as a viable, healthy free market health program instead of a socialized nightmare of rationed care.....

under Obamacare a government IPAB panel will be set up in 2013 to ration care.....

under the Romney/Ryan plan seniors 55+ will continue to get the same benefits promised to them....

Listen, if Obamacare is repealed, a lot of people are gonna pay the price. Including Seniors who will have to pay more for their drugs and lose out on the preventative care they are getting. Not to mention others are getting. And those people with pre-existing conditions or are too sick to get coverage-they are boned. So are the people who's children are on their parents policy until they are 26.

You are very foolish if you believe Romney will save Medicare with his policies. His voucher program will turn Seniors over to the whims of private insurance companies with vouchers that will not be able to cover the same costs that Medicare now does.

Really, you are sounding very uninformed on this issue. Sad, really.

you sadly think that Obama's real goal is to take care of you....

Obamacare is already destroying Medicare as we know it.....seniors will suffer when rationing begins...

Pre-existing conditions are a problem that states can address with high risk pools....

21+ years olds are adults who should buy their own insurance....those in school can get very low insurance plans...and if their parents want to pay for it fine by me...

the voucher plan is exactly what will ultimately SAVE medicare.....for those under 55....

 

[ScreamingEagle]

under Obamacare January 2013 Medicare reimbursements will be reduced by about 30%.....

No. Obamacare generally doesn't reduce Medicare reimbursements to providers (other than reducing the extra payments they currently get to care for the uninsured, payments they obviously won't need when Obamacare is in effect).

It slows the growth rate at which reimbursements increase in the future (lab services are the exception here where small decreases are possible). See the AMA's handy "Major Medicare savings under health reform legislation":

Market basket adjustments for facilities and suppliers—$157 billion savings over 10 years

Most Medicare providers, other than physicians, receive annual market basket payment updates based on growth in the costs of goods and services or on the Consumer Price Index (CPI). Also unlike physicians, these updates are not subject to an annual adjustment to reflect increased productivity. The legislation addresses this inequity by providing for annual productivity adjustments for each market basket or CPI update for the various provider categories. Additional provisions for the following providers, include:

• Acute care hospitals, long-term care hospitals, inpatient rehabilitation facilities, inpatient psychiatric facilities and outpatient hospitals—additional reductions in market basket of between 0.1 percent and 0.75 percent annually through 2019 and productivity adjustment starts in 2012.
• Skilled nursing facilities—productivity adjustments start in 2012.
• Home health agencies—productivity factor starts in 2013 and additional market basket reduction of 1 percent scheduled for 2011-2013.
• Hospice care—productivity adjustment begins in 2013 and additional market basket reductions of 0.3 percent contingent upon level of uninsured may be imposed annually through 2019.
• Dialysis—eliminates 1 percent reduction scheduled for 2012 and begins productivity adjustments in 2012.
• Ambulance services—productivity adjustment begins in 2011.
• Ambulatory surgical services—productivity adjustment applied beginning in 2011.
• Laboratory services—1.75 percent reductions for 2011-2015 (negative updates allowed) and productivity adjustment begins in 2011, but would not be allowed to take update below zero.
• Certain durable medical equipment (DME)—productivity adjustment applied beginning in 2011 and increase scheduled for 2014 is eliminated.
• Prosthetic devices, orthotics and prosthetics—productivity adjustment factor begins in 2011.
• Other DME items—productivity adjustment factor begins in 2011.

It's exactly because Romney increases spending on all of these categories that Medicare will be broke before the end of his first term.

under Obamacare a government IPAB panel will be set up in 2013 to ration care.....

The IPAB is forbidden by law to ration anything. That said, the IPAB only gets to make recommendations on improvements to the program if per capita Medicare cost growth exceeds a target growth rate. Since Medicare cost growth has reached some of its lowest levels ever, the IPAB may not even be empowered to make recommendations.

under the Romney/Ryan plan seniors 55+ will continue to get the same benefits promised to them....

No, they won't. As already noted, Romney-Ryan would exhaust the trust fund in 2016, affecting current beneficiary benefits. They're pledging to re-open the donut hole for prescription drug coverage and eliminate preventive benefits seniors have been enjoying for multiple years now. They're promising to slash funding for nursing homes and other long-term care for the nation's seniors.

you seem to think that Obama is "saving Medicare"......he is actually destroying it.....

In 1997, President Clinton signed the Balanced Budget Act which sought to control Medicare spending through a sustainable growth rate (SGR) which fixed doctor’s Medicare reimbursement payments to a set formula. But subsequent Congress’ have overridden this formula each year without changing the existing formula. As a result Medicare payments to doctor’s are set to drop by 29.4% next year. It would take $400 billion to fix this problem and pay doctors at near market rates through 2019.

But instead of fixing Medicare doctor payments, Obamacare made an additional $233 billion in “market basket” and other doctor payment cuts. In 2009, Medicare paid doctors about 80% of what private health insurance paid. Under the Obamacare Medicare cuts, that number would decline to 57% in 2012.

Liberals believe these price controls can lower Medicare spending without affecting the quality of care Medicare beneficiaries receive. They are wrong. If the Obamacare Medicare cuts actually happen, the administrator of Medicare predicts that 15% of all health care providers will be bankrupt by 2019. And in Health Affairs, Dr. Joseph Newhouse predicted:“…it is equally hard to imagine cutting only Medicare spending while spending by the commercially insured under age sixty-five continues to grow at historic rates, which would lead to a marked divergence between what providers are paid for treating the commercially insured relative to what they are paid for Medicare beneficiaries. This gap could jeopardize Medicare beneficiaries’ access to mainstream medical care.”

Obamacare also cut $145 billion from Medicare Advantage payment benchmarks. Over one in five Medicare patients are enrolled in the Medicare Advantage plans, which translates to 10.5 million seniors. According to the Medicare actuary many of these seniors will see significant reductions in their Medicare benefits. Additionally, the cuts will cause Medicare Advantage enrollments to decline by 50% by 2017.

Then there is the Independent Payment Advisory Board which empowers 15 bureaucrats to make even more spending cuts. The panels recommendations automatically become law unless Congress override’s by a two-thirds majority vote. Medicare beneficiaries would have no administrative or legal process for challenging the board’s decisions.

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[Dissent]

I bet NO ONE could give me 1 good reason for voting for Romney...the same people pay for Obama and Romney's campaigns they belong to the same corporations so whoever gets elected out of those 2 it matters nothing to me.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I bet NO ONE could give me 1 good reason for voting for Romney...the same people pay for Obama and Romney's campaigns they belong to the same corporations so whoever gets elected out of those 2 it matters nothing to me.

here's the best reason.....Romney has Ryan for VP.......while Obama has Biden......

 

[Darkwind]

I will give you one reason to re-elect Obama. He wants to raise taxes on himself where Romney wants to reduce his own taxes. Obama wants to increase federal revenue by personally paying more in taxes while Romney wants to decrease federal revenue so he can keep more for himself.

Now if you could prove that Romney paying less in taxes will be good for everyone, then I might buy in, but unfortunately, we've been that route and found out that it doesn't work. If it did, we wouldn't have over 8% employment, now would we?

Anyway, I'm going with the guy who is willing to be taxes a little more rather than the guy who thinks he's paying too much even though he pays less than most average working Americans.

Nothing you have stated here is accurate.

If Obama wished to pay more, he is more than willing to write a check. He is also able to propose, in his budget, closures of loopholes that allow him to pay few taxes.

The biggest inaccuracy is that Obama wanting to pay more, and have those who are well off, pay more, will increase revenues to the government. It has been proven that it does not, the information has been shown to you and just about everyone else on the left, and you simply wish to continue to believe that government is the savior of all mankind.

Obama does not pay a single paycheck, nor has he created a single private sector jobs. His paying more taxes has not helped, or aided one single individual in this nation to find a job, or better their position in life.

The last thing is this. Everyone of you people speak as if we should give the government the RIGHT to have an income. The problem is, the government has an income for a very limited reason, and it must be strictly held to those reasons.

So, why is it that none of you people ever ask why we need to increase taxes on the rich? Why do we have to give government money for programs that it has no authority to run? Why do we need taxes to a central government when all the needs of the people are local, not central?

Why do you wish to give more money to people who have proven, over and over and over, that they will not use the money for what they say they will, they will not use the money to better people, they will not use the money to save grandma.

They will use the money to buy your vote, and the vote of people who cannot live in their own life without some free money from government.

I am growing to detest the worshipers of government.

 

[Papageorgio]

No, they don't agree on that.

Obama didn't take any money from Medicare; the program's trust funds have the same amount of money in them and the dedicated revenue streams that belong to the program continue to bring funds into it. None of that money has been diverted or taken from the program.

What Obama did was reduce Medicare's financial obligations (without touching guaranteed benefits). The program will no longer waste money on unneeded excess payments to private insurers and large providers. Its spending will slow; the actual cash it has in its trust fund or is bringing in through premiums and payroll taxes is still there. But it's on the hook for less spending now, meaning the trust fund will be depleted more slowly.

Romney is proposing to reinstate those wasteful obligations, accelerate the program's spending, and deplete the trust fund more quickly. Under his proposal, the trust fund will be insolvent in 2016, before the end of his first term and long before his hypothetical reforms begin in 2023. He's angling to destroy the program over the next few years.

Or as Bill Clinton so ably put it the other night:

under Obamacare January 2013 Medicare reimbursements will be reduced by about 30%.....

Romney will repeal Obamacare which will bring the whole socialist system to a screeching halt.....you can say the original bankruptcy dates will come back into play but that does not mean Medicare is going to go bankrupt under his watch....he will attack fraud just as much as Obama but he will not needlessly spend on Obamacare......in fact his plan will save Medicare for the long haul as a viable, healthy free market health program instead of a socialized nightmare of rationed care.....

under Obamacare a government IPAB panel will be set up in 2013 to ration care.....

under the Romney/Ryan plan seniors 55+ will continue to get the same benefits promised to them....

Listen, if Obamacare is repealed, a lot of people are gonna pay the price. Including Seniors who will have to pay more for their drugs and lose out on the preventative care they are getting. Not to mention others are getting. And those people with pre-existing conditions or are too sick to get coverage-they are boned. So are the people who's children are on their parents policy until they are 26.

You are very foolish if you believe Romney will save Medicare with his policies. His voucher program will turn Seniors over to the whims of private insurance companies with vouchers that will not be able to cover the same costs that Medicare now does.

Really, you are sounding very uninformed on this issue. Sad, really.

Seniors would not lose Medicare, they would still get the care they need just like they have been. My parents have supplemental insurance today that covers the extras that Medicare doesn't cover, and they pay a lot, they are more at the whims of private insurance than before because of escalated costs due to Obamacare.

You and your scare tactics aren't funny.

 

[Wolfsister77]

under Obamacare January 2013 Medicare reimbursements will be reduced by about 30%.....

Romney will repeal Obamacare which will bring the whole socialist system to a screeching halt.....you can say the original bankruptcy dates will come back into play but that does not mean Medicare is going to go bankrupt under his watch....he will attack fraud just as much as Obama but he will not needlessly spend on Obamacare......in fact his plan will save Medicare for the long haul as a viable, healthy free market health program instead of a socialized nightmare of rationed care.....

under Obamacare a government IPAB panel will be set up in 2013 to ration care.....

under the Romney/Ryan plan seniors 55+ will continue to get the same benefits promised to them....

Listen, if Obamacare is repealed, a lot of people are gonna pay the price. Including Seniors who will have to pay more for their drugs and lose out on the preventative care they are getting. Not to mention others are getting. And those people with pre-existing conditions or are too sick to get coverage-they are boned. So are the people who's children are on their parents policy until they are 26.

You are very foolish if you believe Romney will save Medicare with his policies. His voucher program will turn Seniors over to the whims of private insurance companies with vouchers that will not be able to cover the same costs that Medicare now does.

Really, you are sounding very uninformed on this issue. Sad, really.

you sadly think that Obama's real goal is to take care of you....

Obamacare is already destroying Medicare as we know it.....seniors will suffer when rationing begins...

Pre-existing conditions are a problem that states can address with high risk pools....

21+ years olds are adults who should buy their own insurance....those in school can get very low insurance plans...and if their parents want to pay for it fine by me...

the voucher plan is exactly what will ultimately SAVE medicare.....for those under 55....

Try reading some of the previous posts on this thread where everything you said here is debunked.