Okay, because I don't have a problem with traditional values. I don't have a problem with men, women, immigrants or pretty much any of the other stuff you mentioned. I do have a problem with cake and ice cream, because the texture when mixed together just makes me want to puke, but whatever.
Those women didn't invent the reason, they were taught the reason, and we didn't do what was necessary to stop that. At the same time singing the praises of traditional values, doesn't address the fact that people are kind of infinitely complex and one answer is not going to fit everyone.
I never thought you were attacking me. I was attacking you and challenging you to step outside your box and do whatever you could, even if it is just changing minds in attempts to stop slipping away.
I switched tactics four times during this thread and handled different posters in different ways. Trying something different because I am not satisfied with the results everyone keeps insisting we should ignore. But really, so what huh, because I didn't get anywhere better.
Everyone responds like there is something I don't know or understand about what they are saying. I never suggested that people cannot be productive, healthy and happy in a traditional relationship, and I damn sure didn't suggest that men have problem telling you what they want. Women aren't as great at that. You want acknowledgement, here's your ******* cookie, and what did that solve?
But anyway, I failed again and will have to try something else out the next time. No hard feelings and sorry if I made you think, or didn't, whatever the case.