2nd Amendment should not be infringed upon because of Las Vegas shooter.

[Humorme]

danilepalos HAS THROWN IN THE TOWEL AND CONCEDED DEFEAT!

There was cyanide in the punch bowl. Someone arranged an automobile "accident." A "hooker" had a syringe in her purse and somebody died of a heroin overdose after "inviting" her into bed with him. Or a doctor performed unnecessary surgery on a vital organ, with fatal results.

Or someone was stabbed, doused with gasoline and set afire, or beaten to death by a mob. Or diagnosed with "cancer" and fatally treated with a miscalculated dose of radiation therapy.

Or stabbed with a knife, or garroted, or smothered to death with a pillow.

Banning guns prevents us from defending ourselves, but it does nothing to stop murder.

I have model legislation that would do just that.

 

[danielpalos]

Willful blindness is a moral turpitude and that less moral form of appeal to ignorance of the law.

No one is unconnected with the militia only militia service, well regulated.

Any questions?

The Supreme Court held:[44]

(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.
(a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.
(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved. Pp. 22–28.

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570

Do you understand that HOLDING by the United States Supreme Court, danielpalos?

An appeal to ignorance. The right wing always goes for if there is enough socialism on a national basis.

No one is unconnected with the militia, only militia service well regulated.

This is a States right, secured by our Second Amendment:

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

 

[Humorme]

Willful blindness is a moral turpitude and that less moral form of appeal to ignorance of the law.

No one is unconnected with the militia only militia service, well regulated.

Any questions?

The Supreme Court held:[44]

(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.
(a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.
(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved. Pp. 22–28.

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570

Do you understand that HOLDING by the United States Supreme Court, danielpalos?

An appeal to ignorance. The right wing always goes for if there is enough socialism on a national basis.

No one is unconnected with the militia, only militia service well regulated.

This is a States right, secured by our Second Amendment:

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

Are you STILL babbling on about nothing??? I repeat:

I'm a little perplexed. danielpalos keeps bringing up the same argument over and over and over again as if he isn't being responded to. What more is there to say after he's conceded defeat on his argument?

Let me repeat my applicable post once again. It fairly answers his illogical post:

YOU have no idea what you're talking about. A Constitution means what the courts interpret them to mean. Let me give you a FREE lesson in the law.

This is a quote from a government site:

"State courts are the final arbiters of state laws and constitutions."

Comparing Federal & State Courts

When state courts interpret the law, it is far more authoritative and binding than the mad ravings of danielpalos. And the courts have said you are wrong and I've cited their rulings and holdings repeatedly. You are wrong, dude. I'm also going to leave you a link that will prove, beyond any question - beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are wrong. Let's go beyond the legal experts and get a professional wordsmith to explain it to you:

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/schol/2amd_grammar.htm

Now, here's the real deal danielpalos. I've told you that you're wrong. If you come back here today everybody will understand you did not access that site. It will be 100 proof positive that you are talking out your ass. When you don't read it and other posters do, it's going to make you look really stupid. If you can prove the guy wrong, get to popping. Otherwise, your standard canard will be an admission of defeat on your part. (End of previous post)

All of danielpalos fallacies, lies, misrepresentations, inaccurate interpretations, and bullshit have been responded to. By doing what he was warned NOT to do before witnessing his pet arguments dismantled,danilepalos HAS THROWN IN THE TOWEL AND CONCEDED DEFEAT!

Respond to that information and maybe we can move forward. Otherwise you can keep repeating debunked B.S. and I can respond with the facts exposing what you say.

 

[danielpalos]

Nothing but diversion?

You have to address my arguments not merely recite propaganda and rhetoric.

The People = The Militia.

 

[Humorme]

Nothing but diversion?

You have to address my arguments not merely recite propaganda and rhetoric.

The People = The Militia.

Your idiotic arguments have been addressed, proven wrong and you've chose to repeat yourself several hundred times. But you're wrong and I'm just committed to my position as you are to yours.

You have ignored the law, the Supreme Court, and you denigrate everybody that don't understand the world according to danielpalos. You're full of shit and you're wrong.

"State courts are the final arbiters of state laws and constitutions."

Comparing Federal & State Courts

When state courts interpret the law, it is far more authoritative and binding than the mad ravings of danielpalos. And the courts have said you are wrong and I've cited their rulings and holdings repeatedly. You are wrong, dude. I'm also going to leave you a link that will prove, beyond any question - beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are wrong. Let's go beyond the legal experts and get a professional wordsmith to explain it to you:

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/schol/2amd_grammar.htm

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

danilepalos HAS THROWN IN THE TOWEL AND CONCEDED DEFEAT!

There was cyanide in the punch bowl. Someone arranged an automobile "accident." A "hooker" had a syringe in her purse and somebody died of a heroin overdose after "inviting" her into bed with him. Or a doctor performed unnecessary surgery on a vital organ, with fatal results.

Or someone was stabbed, doused with gasoline and set afire, or beaten to death by a mob. Or diagnosed with "cancer" and fatally treated with a miscalculated dose of radiation therapy.

Or stabbed with a knife, or garroted, or smothered to death with a pillow.

Banning guns prevents us from defending ourselves, but it does nothing to stop murder.

Wrong.

No one is advocating ‘banning’ guns.

And the thread premise is just as wrong now as it was last October.

A given firearm regulatory measure does not ‘infringe’ on the Second Amendment right until the Supreme Court rules that it does.

The regulatory measures proposed by Democrats are perfectly consistent with current Second Amendment jurisprudence, and have been consistently upheld by the courts.

If Democrats sought to enact firearm regulatory measures the Supreme Court has struck down as un-Constitutional, then and only then will they be attempting to ‘infringe’ on the Second Amendment right.

Opposition to bans on semi-automatic rifles such as the AR 15 should be opposed because they won’t have the desired effect, having nothing to do with their constitutionality. For example, less than 2 percent of violent gun crimes are committed with long guns, even fewer with semi-automatic rifles.

 

[Humorme]

danilepalos HAS THROWN IN THE TOWEL AND CONCEDED DEFEAT!

There was cyanide in the punch bowl. Someone arranged an automobile "accident." A "hooker" had a syringe in her purse and somebody died of a heroin overdose after "inviting" her into bed with him. Or a doctor performed unnecessary surgery on a vital organ, with fatal results.

Or someone was stabbed, doused with gasoline and set afire, or beaten to death by a mob. Or diagnosed with "cancer" and fatally treated with a miscalculated dose of radiation therapy.

Or stabbed with a knife, or garroted, or smothered to death with a pillow.

Banning guns prevents us from defending ourselves, but it does nothing to stop murder.

Wrong.

No one is advocating ‘banning’ guns.

And the thread premise is just as wrong now as it was last October.

A given firearm regulatory measure does not ‘infringe’ on the Second Amendment right until the Supreme Court rules that it does.

The regulatory measures proposed by Democrats are perfectly consistent with current Second Amendment jurisprudence, and have been consistently upheld by the courts.

If Democrats sought to enact firearm regulatory measures the Supreme Court has struck down as un-Constitutional, then and only then will they be attempting to ‘infringe’ on the Second Amendment right.

Opposition to bans on semi-automatic rifles such as the AR 15 should be opposed because they won’t have the desired effect, having nothing to do with their constitutionality. For example, less than 2 percent of violent gun crimes are committed with long guns, even fewer with semi-automatic rifles.

“Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American… [T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”, Tench Coxe Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

 

[danielpalos]

Nothing but diversion?

You have to address my arguments not merely recite propaganda and rhetoric.

The People = The Militia.

Your idiotic arguments have been addressed, proven wrong and you've chose to repeat yourself several hundred times. But you're wrong and I'm just committed to my position as you are to yours.

You have ignored the law, the Supreme Court, and you denigrate everybody that don't understand the world according to danielpalos. You're full of shit and you're wrong.

"State courts are the final arbiters of state laws and constitutions."

Comparing Federal & State Courts

When state courts interpret the law, it is far more authoritative and binding than the mad ravings of danielpalos. And the courts have said you are wrong and I've cited their rulings and holdings repeatedly. You are wrong, dude. I'm also going to leave you a link that will prove, beyond any question - beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are wrong. Let's go beyond the legal experts and get a professional wordsmith to explain it to you:

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/schol/2amd_grammar.htm

The People are the militia.

Our Second Amendment is a States right.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

As anyone interested in the subject should know, the Supreme Court this week refused to grant cert to a case challenging the constitutionality of Maryland’s Firearm Safety Act, which places comprehensive restrictions on semi-automatic rifles such as the AR 15, Kolbe v. Hogan.

The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the Act as Constitutional, not violating the Second Amendment.

The High Court is likely waiting for a Federal appeals court to strike down a law similar to the SAFE Act or the FSA, as was the case when the Sixth Circuit upheld state measures prohibiting same-sex couples from marrying, where other appellate courts had invalidated such prohibitions.

 

[justinacolmena]

The People are the militia.

Our Second Amendment is a States right.

"the right of the people ..." Are you totally illiterate?

 

[justinacolmena]

Sixth Circuit upheld state measures prohibiting same-sex couples from marrying

*YAWN* Regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity or others' opinions, I think will do just fine on this score if I have enough guns and ammunition to deter circuit court judges and other unwanted guests from crashing my wedding.

 

[danielpalos]

The People are the militia.

Our Second Amendment is a States right.

"the right of the people ..." Are you totally illiterate?

The People are the militia. You are either well regulated or not.

 

[Humorme]

The People are the militia.

Our Second Amendment is a States right.

"the right of the people ..." Are you totally illiterate?

She IS that illiterate.

Despite scores of links to English professors to explain the language; lawyers and judges to explain the law; words of the founding fathers to explain the INTENT, along with all kinds of scholars to explain the history, danielpalos has her own concept and seeks to force feed down the throats of America.

We cannot afford to let her B.S. lies go unchallenged. More information that counters the board troll with:

2nd Amendment: Original Meaning and Purpose

Second Amendment Original Intent

 

[justinacolmena]

The People are the militia. You are either well regulated or not.

"Well regulated" does not refer to the length of your hair or to your gender.

FACT #1. The most important prerequisite for a "well-regulated Militia" is that the right of the people to keep and bear arms not be infringed.

FACT #2. The Brady Bill list of "mentally ill persons" forced to wear a black triangle record for the rest of their lives does not make for a well-regulated militia.

FACT #3. The legislators and Congressmen who voted for such gun control bills -- and their votes are a matter of public record -- are more suicidal than the persons they single out on "the list" to be prohibited from possessing firearms and targeted for America's modern-day white nationalist // national socialist // social Darwinist Holocaust. Adolf Hitler hanged himself on piano wire. So may these Nazis.

 

[danielpalos]

The People are the militia. You are either well regulated or not.

"Well regulated" does not refer to the length of your hair or to your gender.

FACT #1. The most important prerequisite for a "well-regulated Militia" is that the right of the people to keep and bear arms not be infringed.

FACT #2. The Brady Bill list of "mentally ill persons" forced to wear a black triangle record for the rest of their lives does not make for a well-regulated militia.

FACT #3. The legislators and Congressmen who voted for such gun control bills -- and their votes are a matter of public record -- are more suicidal than the persons they single out on "the list" to be prohibited from possessing firearms and targeted for America's modern-day white nationalist // national socialist // social Darwinist Holocaust. Adolf Hitler hanged himself on piano wire. So may these Nazis.

The People = The Militia.

You are either well regulated or not.

Well regulated must be prescribed by Congress for the militia of the United States.

 

[Humorme]

The People are the militia. You are either well regulated or not.

"Well regulated" does not refer to the length of your hair or to your gender.

FACT #1. The most important prerequisite for a "well-regulated Militia" is that the right of the people to keep and bear arms not be infringed.

FACT #2. The Brady Bill list of "mentally ill persons" forced to wear a black triangle record for the rest of their lives does not make for a well-regulated militia.

FACT #3. The legislators and Congressmen who voted for such gun control bills -- and their votes are a matter of public record -- are more suicidal than the persons they single out on "the list" to be prohibited from possessing firearms and targeted for America's modern-day white nationalist // national socialist // social Darwinist Holocaust. Adolf Hitler hanged himself on piano wire. So may these Nazis.

The People = The Militia.

You are either well regulated or not.

Well regulated must be prescribed by Congress for the militia of the United States.

Despite scores of links to English professors to explain the language; lawyers and judges to explain the law; words of the founding fathers to explain the INTENT, along with all kinds of scholars to explain the history, danielpalos has her own concept and seeks to force feed down the throats of America.

We cannot afford to let her B.S. lies go unchallenged. More information that counters the board troll with:

2nd Amendment: Original Meaning and Purpose

Second Amendment Original Intent

 

[danielpalos]

The People are the militia. You are either well regulated or not.

"Well regulated" does not refer to the length of your hair or to your gender.

FACT #1. The most important prerequisite for a "well-regulated Militia" is that the right of the people to keep and bear arms not be infringed.

FACT #2. The Brady Bill list of "mentally ill persons" forced to wear a black triangle record for the rest of their lives does not make for a well-regulated militia.

FACT #3. The legislators and Congressmen who voted for such gun control bills -- and their votes are a matter of public record -- are more suicidal than the persons they single out on "the list" to be prohibited from possessing firearms and targeted for America's modern-day white nationalist // national socialist // social Darwinist Holocaust. Adolf Hitler hanged himself on piano wire. So may these Nazis.

The People = The Militia.

You are either well regulated or not.

Well regulated must be prescribed by Congress for the militia of the United States.

Despite scores of links to English professors to explain the language; lawyers and judges to explain the law; words of the founding fathers to explain the INTENT, along with all kinds of scholars to explain the history, danielpalos has her own concept and seeks to force feed down the throats of America.

We cannot afford to let her B.S. lies go unchallenged. More information that counters the board troll with:

2nd Amendment: Original Meaning and Purpose

Second Amendment Original Intent

It says I am right even though I am on the left.

 

[Humorme]

The People are the militia. You are either well regulated or not.

"Well regulated" does not refer to the length of your hair or to your gender.

FACT #1. The most important prerequisite for a "well-regulated Militia" is that the right of the people to keep and bear arms not be infringed.

FACT #2. The Brady Bill list of "mentally ill persons" forced to wear a black triangle record for the rest of their lives does not make for a well-regulated militia.

FACT #3. The legislators and Congressmen who voted for such gun control bills -- and their votes are a matter of public record -- are more suicidal than the persons they single out on "the list" to be prohibited from possessing firearms and targeted for America's modern-day white nationalist // national socialist // social Darwinist Holocaust. Adolf Hitler hanged himself on piano wire. So may these Nazis.

The People = The Militia.

You are either well regulated or not.

Well regulated must be prescribed by Congress for the militia of the United States.

Despite scores of links to English professors to explain the language; lawyers and judges to explain the law; words of the founding fathers to explain the INTENT, along with all kinds of scholars to explain the history, danielpalos has her own concept and seeks to force feed down the throats of America.

We cannot afford to let her B.S. lies go unchallenged. More information that counters the board troll with:

2nd Amendment: Original Meaning and Purpose

Second Amendment Original Intent

It says I am right even though I am on the left.

"It" nothing. The Second Amendment itself testifies against you 100 percent.

Despite scores of links to English professors to explain the language; lawyers and judges to explain the law; words of the founding fathers to explain the INTENT, along with all kinds of scholars to explain the history, danielpalos has her own concept and seeks to force feed down the throats of America.

We cannot afford to let her B.S. lies go unchallenged. More information that counters the board troll with:

Original Intent: The 2ND Amendment


2nd Amendment: Original Meaning and Purpose

 

[danielpalos]

Dude, our Second Amendment cannot do what is claimed by the right wing, because it would have to be a Constitution unto itself.

 

[Humorme]

Dude, our Second Amendment cannot do what is claimed by the right wing, because it would have to be a Constitution unto itself.

The Second Amendment does nothing in and of itself. The Second Amendment is a guarantee that government will not infringe upon the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms.

The whole Bill of Rights is a limitation on the government NOT the people.

"The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals .... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of."
-- Albert Gallatin, New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789

"The greatest [calamity] which could befall [us would be] submission to a government of unlimited powers."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Declaration and Protest of Virginia, 1825. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors