1,600-plus Scientists Say Climate "Emergency" Is a Myth

[Stryder50]

Turns out that none of them are climate scientists and a large percentage of them aren't scientists at all. This has already been done here a couple of days ago.

It is far more valid than the claim made by you pro-ACC/AGW cult fanatics that "all scientists agree" in your fantasy, sham, and scam.

 

[abu afak]

Over 1,600 scientists, including two Nobel Peace Prize winners, have signed a declaration that says that the claim of a climate "emergency" is a myth.

More than 1,600 scientists, including two Nobel laureates, declare climate 'emergency' a myth

EXCERPT:

A coalition of 1,609 scientists from around the world have signed a declaration stating “there is no climate emergency” and that they “strongly oppose the harmful and unrealistic net-zero CO2 policy” being pushed across the globe. The declaration does not deny the harmful effect of greenhouse gasses, but instead challenges the hysteria brought about by the narrative of imminent doom. . . .

“Scientists should openly address uncertainties and exaggerations in their predictions of global warming, while politicians should dispassionately count the real costs as well as the imagined benefits of their policy measures,” the declaration says.

You stupid MAGAt a$$holes.​

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Fact check: Did 1,200 climate experts sign 'declaration' denying climate emergency?​

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16/09/2022 -

A document claiming that 'there is no climate emergency' has been circulating on social media.

A climate-denying document, supposedly signed by 1,200 leading scientists and academics, has gone viral on social media.
The "World Climate Declaration" -- which claims that there is "no climate emergency" -- was first shared on 27 June. One Australian Senator shared the document on Facebook claiming that "this is further confirmation that there is no climate emergency".

Other well-known Conspiracy groups have argued that there is no scientific consensus that humans are to blame for global warming because the “Earth's climate has varied since the planet first existed, with naturally occurring cold and warm phases".

A 2021 report by Cornell University found that 99.9% of more than 88,000 climate change studies agree that humans have accelerated the phenomenon, largely due to carbon emissions.

Moreover, the last 15 warmest years on record have occurred since 2005, with the most recent eight years being the warmest, according to NASA.

Investigations show that practically None of the signatories to the "World Climate Declaration" are climate scientists.

The two main Dutch actors behind the declaration are Guus Berkhout, a retired geophysicist who has worked for oil giant Shell, and journalist Marcel Crok. Both have been accused of receiving money from fossil fuel companies to finance their climate-sceptic work. They deny the allegations,

When looking closer at the list of signatories, there are precisely 1,107, including six people who are dead. Less than 1% of the names listed describe themselves as climatologists or climate scientists.

Eight of the signatories are former or current employees of the oil giant Shell, while many other names have links to mining companies.

One of the signatories is Ivar Giaever, a joint winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1973 for work on superconductors. However, he has never published any work on climate science.

According to an independent 2019 count of the declaration's signatories, 21% were engineers, many linked to the fossil fuel industry. Others were lobbyists, and some even worked as fishermen or airline pilots.
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Fact check: Did 1,200 climate experts sign viral misinformation?​

A document claiming that 'there is no climate emergency' has been circulating on social media. #TheCube

www.euronews.com
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[Stryder50]

in the real world, there is a loss of energy when molecules collide

Agreed.
But the cult of fanatics pushing the ACC/AGW agenda and it's political solutions aren't living in the real world per their mindset.
Their fanatasy world is that anything from the West, Capitalism, Free enterprise is evil along with most of humanity, which needs to be drastically reduced in numbers.

They are basing their claim on temperature increase in ALL the atmosphere and the sole culprit is CO2 so their fantasy psuedo-science must have a mechanism for the CO2 to "infect" the rest of the atmosphere with it's "heat".

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You stupid MAGAt a$$holes.​

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Fact check: Did 1,200 climate experts sign 'declaration' denying climate emergency?​

​

16/09/2022 -

A document claiming that 'there is no climate emergency' has been circulating on social media.

A climate-denying document, supposedly signed by 1,200 leading scientists and academics, has gone viral on social media.
The "World Climate Declaration" -- which claims that there is "no climate emergency" -- was first shared on 27 June. One Australian Senator shared the document on Facebook claiming that "this is further confirmation that there is no climate emergency".

Other well-known Conspiracy groups have argued that there is no scientific consensus that humans are to blame for global warming because the “Earth's climate has varied since the planet first existed, with naturally occurring cold and warm phases".

A 2021 report by Cornell University found that 99.9% of more than 88,000 climate change studies agree that humans have accelerated the phenomenon, largely due to carbon emissions.

Moreover, the last 15 warmest years on record have occurred since 2005, with the most recent eight years being the warmest, according to NASA.

Investigations show that practically None of the signatories to the "World Climate Declaration" are climate scientists.

The two main Dutch actors behind the declaration are Guus Berkhout, a retired geophysicist who has worked for oil giant Shell, and journalist Marcel Crok. Both have been accused of receiving money from fossil fuel companies to finance their climate-sceptic work. They deny the allegations,

When looking closer at the list of signatories, there are precisely 1,107, including six people who are dead. Less than 1% of the names listed describe themselves as climatologists or climate scientists.

Eight of the signatories are former or current employees of the oil giant Shell, while many other names have links to mining companies.

One of the signatories is Ivar Giaever, a joint winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1973 for work on superconductors. However, he has never published any work on climate science.

According to an independent 2019 count of the declaration's signatories, 21% were engineers, many linked to the fossil fuel industry. Others were lobbyists, and some even worked as fishermen or airline pilots.
[.....]

Fact check: Did 1,200 climate experts sign viral misinformation?​

A document claiming that 'there is no climate emergency' has been circulating on social media. #TheCube

www.euronews.com
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A 2021 report by Cornell University found that 99.9% of more than 88,000 climate change studies agree that humans have accelerated the phenomenon, largely due to carbon emissions.

Accelerated the phenomenon? How fast was it going, without our carbon emissions?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You stupid MAGAt a$$holes.​

​

Fact check: Did 1,200 climate experts sign 'declaration' denying climate emergency?​

​

16/09/2022 -

A document claiming that 'there is no climate emergency' has been circulating on social media.

A climate-denying document, supposedly signed by 1,200 leading scientists and academics, has gone viral on social media.
The "World Climate Declaration" -- which claims that there is "no climate emergency" -- was first shared on 27 June. One Australian Senator shared the document on Facebook claiming that "this is further confirmation that there is no climate emergency".

Other well-known Conspiracy groups have argued that there is no scientific consensus that humans are to blame for global warming because the “Earth's climate has varied since the planet first existed, with naturally occurring cold and warm phases".

A 2021 report by Cornell University found that 99.9% of more than 88,000 climate change studies agree that humans have accelerated the phenomenon, largely due to carbon emissions.

Moreover, the last 15 warmest years on record have occurred since 2005, with the most recent eight years being the warmest, according to NASA.

Investigations show that practically None of the signatories to the "World Climate Declaration" are climate scientists.

The two main Dutch actors behind the declaration are Guus Berkhout, a retired geophysicist who has worked for oil giant Shell, and journalist Marcel Crok. Both have been accused of receiving money from fossil fuel companies to finance their climate-sceptic work. They deny the allegations,

When looking closer at the list of signatories, there are precisely 1,107, including six people who are dead. Less than 1% of the names listed describe themselves as climatologists or climate scientists.

Eight of the signatories are former or current employees of the oil giant Shell, while many other names have links to mining companies.

One of the signatories is Ivar Giaever, a joint winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1973 for work on superconductors. However, he has never published any work on climate science.

According to an independent 2019 count of the declaration's signatories, 21% were engineers, many linked to the fossil fuel industry. Others were lobbyists, and some even worked as fishermen or airline pilots.
[.....]

Fact check: Did 1,200 climate experts sign viral misinformation?​

A document claiming that 'there is no climate emergency' has been circulating on social media. #TheCube

www.euronews.com
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When looking closer at the list of signatories, there are precisely 1,107, including six people who are dead. Less than 1% of the names listed describe themselves as climatologists or climate scientists.

More than 99% of them had real jobs.

 

[Stryder50]

You stupid MAGAt a$$holes.​

​

Fact check: Did 1,200 climate experts sign 'declaration' denying climate emergency?​

​

16/09/2022 -

A document claiming that 'there is no climate emergency' has been circulating on social media.

A climate-denying document, supposedly signed by 1,200 leading scientists and academics, has gone viral on social media.
The "World Climate Declaration" -- which claims that there is "no climate emergency" -- was first shared on 27 June. One Australian Senator shared the document on Facebook claiming that "this is further confirmation that there is no climate emergency".

Other well-known Conspiracy groups have argued that there is no scientific consensus that humans are to blame for global warming because the “Earth's climate has varied since the planet first existed, with naturally occurring cold and warm phases".

A 2021 report by Cornell University found that 99.9% of more than 88,000 climate change studies agree that humans have accelerated the phenomenon, largely due to carbon emissions.

Moreover, the last 15 warmest years on record have occurred since 2005, with the most recent eight years being the warmest, according to NASA.

Investigations show that practically None of the signatories to the "World Climate Declaration" are climate scientists.

The two main Dutch actors behind the declaration are Guus Berkhout, a retired geophysicist who has worked for oil giant Shell, and journalist Marcel Crok. Both have been accused of receiving money from fossil fuel companies to finance their climate-sceptic work. They deny the allegations,

When looking closer at the list of signatories, there are precisely 1,107, including six people who are dead. Less than 1% of the names listed describe themselves as climatologists or climate scientists.

Eight of the signatories are former or current employees of the oil giant Shell, while many other names have links to mining companies.

One of the signatories is Ivar Giaever, a joint winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1973 for work on superconductors. However, he has never published any work on climate science.

According to an independent 2019 count of the declaration's signatories, 21% were engineers, many linked to the fossil fuel industry. Others were lobbyists, and some even worked as fishermen or airline pilots.
[.....]

Fact check: Did 1,200 climate experts sign viral misinformation?​

A document claiming that 'there is no climate emergency' has been circulating on social media. #TheCube

www.euronews.com
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The champions of your scam, such as Al Gore and that homely teenage girl from Scandinavia aren't "climate scientists" either.
Meanwhile most of your so-called climate scientists you consider valid are parasites living off of taxpayer money and hence need to continue the sham and scam of ACC/AGW to collect their paychecks. If there was no fake, generated "climate crisis" they'd be out of a job.

 

[Stryder50]

Turns out that none of them are climate scientists and a large percentage of them aren't scientists at all. This has already been done here a couple of days ago.

Neither are most of your pro-ACC/AGW advocates, especially your hero ones like Al Gore and that homely teenage girl from Scandinavia.

 

[Stryder50]

That makes no sense at all. You have no grasp of physics or numbers. That's an observation, not a hypothesis.

Individual molecules don't have a temperature. Temperature is a statistical quality of a very large number of molecules.

You seem to presenting a bizarre scenario where that a CO2 molecule aborbing an IR photon causing that individual molecule to "rise in temperature" by, say, 1C, and that causes 2500 other molecules to rise by 1C, That's not right. That's so completely at odds with reality, it doesn't even rise to "wrong". It is not even remotely like anything that science proposes.

I blame participation trophies and the internet. They've convinced clueless people like you that they're very special.

Either you don't know science, are lying, or are a real dumbshit.

The claim of you cult fanatics of ACC/AGW is that it's the increase in temperature of the atmosphere that is causing the planet to be warmer. Not exactly true since Atmosphere temps don't penetrate more than a few feet at best. Don't go very deep into the crust and have no affect on the magma or lower levels of Earth.

You claim it is CO2 causing the whole atmosphere to be getting warmer, heating up, so their must be a mechanism by which CO2 transfers it's heat/energy to the rest of the Nitrogen, Oxygen, etc. Explain you version of that mechanism.

I was trying to express the dynamics in simple terms that school dropouts like you could understand. I could have said that 400(or 420) parts of CO2 are heating up the million parts of the atmosphere which is what temperature detecting devices "thermometers" have supposed been showing.

The math, doing reduction to simpler term as taught when I was in grade school goes;

400/1,000,000
4/10,000
1/2,500

Effect of a ratio of 1 to 2,500, is same as ratio of 4 to 10,000 is same as ratio of 400 to 1,000,000.

I doubt you know science and are likely playing a political agenda.
If CO 2 doesn't case the atmosphere to get warmer, all of the atmosphere, than why would we need to "reduce carbon" to "save the planet from burning up"? (Paraphrase Al Gore and his "Mother Earth has a fever.")

Here's a visual you need to consider and understand;

 

[abu afak]

Either you don't know science, are lying, or are a real dumbshit.

The claim of you cult fanatics of ACC/AGW is that it's the increase in temperature of the atmosphere that is causing the planet to be warmer. Not exactly true since Atmosphere temps don't penetrate more than a few feet at best. Don't go very deep into the crust and have no affect on the magma or lower levels of Earth.

You claim it is CO2 causing the whole atmosphere to be getting warmer, heating up, so their must be a mechanism by which CO2 transfers it's heat/energy to the rest of the Nitrogen, Oxygen, etc. Explain you version of that mechanism.

I was trying to express the dynamics in simple terms that school dropouts like you could understand. I could have said that 400(or 420) parts of CO2 are heating up the million parts of the atmosphere which is what temperature detecting devices "thermometers" have supposed been showing.

The math, doing reduction to simpler term as taught when I was in grade school goes;

400/1,000,000
4/10,000
1/2,500

Effect of a ratio of 1 to 2,500, is same as ratio of 4 to 10,000 is same as ratio of 400 to 1,000,000.

I doubt you know science and are likely playing a political agenda.
If CO 2 doesn't case the atmosphere to get warmer, all of the atmosphere, than why would we need to "reduce carbon" to "save the planet from burning up"? (Paraphrase Al Gore and his "Mother Earth has a fever.")

Here's a visual you need to consider and understand;

You forgot (Dishonestly) that this shut up Months ago, so you just keep repeating like the idiot Drone you are.

• May 25, 2023
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  NOPE!
  But would seem you can't tell the difference.
  There is a difference between "discovered" and "formed", YET, would seem you can't discern that difference.
  IT starts with a matter of correctly reading and understanding what was said, presented; which you clearly were incapable of doing.
  OR, you chose to deliberately distorted and mis-represented. Either way, you made clear you are not here for an honest and ethical discussion; just the advancement of your bigoted agenda.
  
  FWIW, about 150 years ago we humans knew more about the Moon and close planets than we did about the bottom of the oceans. Only within less than a century with sonar and other technologies have we begun to get a gauge on what is beneath.
  
  Context within a larger scale time-span provides a real science and real history perspective;
  

  

  
  https://www.researchgate.net/figure...llion-years-Source-MacRae-2008_fig1_280548391
  Larger, Greater factors than Carbon-Dioxide/CO2 levels have been in play and the major drivers!
  
  BTW, if you are trying to make a loose and inaccurate tie-in to the "Industrial Revolution", then go back closer to about 250+ years ago.

  Your 600 Million year chart is USELESS/Laughably Stupid in deciding IF there was AGW from the I-Rev forward (ie, 150 years), as it is Unprecedented and would be too tiny.
  
  A Better scale for would be more like 10,000 years. On your Idiotic scale chart it would not even show up even if given a 1 pixel width. Your chart makes 20 Million Year moves look steep.
  
  ie, well known Marcott. 10,000 years would be fairer/more relevant and elucidating.
  
  
  
  
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[Crepitus]

It is far more valid than the claim made by you pro-ACC/AGW cult fanatics that "all scientists agree" in your fantasy, sham, and scam.

97% of publishing climate scientists.

And it's real.

Do scientists agree on climate change? - NASA Science

Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the

climate.nasa.gov

 

[Crepitus]

Neither are most of your pro-ACC/AGW advocates, especially your hero ones like Al Gore and that homely teenage girl from Scandinavia.

Nobody is claiming they are.

DERP.

 

[FA_Q2]

what is the lie?

The third name was not even a 'scientist.'

He was an engineer.

 

[Stryder50]

Total history of this planet's @4.5 billion years is the more informative gauge.
That chart, and many others that are similar, show that over the full span of time, CO2 levels have not been a main or even relevant factor for global average temperatures. Especially after the @two billion years of activity by stromotolites converting CO2 into the growing Oxygen component of the atmosphere mix. Which paved the way for higher forms of flora and fauna to appear and evolve.

The key issue isn't the source/cause of any increase, or decrease in CO2 percentage of the atmosphere, but rather if the percentage is a major or driving factor of average atmosphere temperatures and changes of such.

Data available showing conditions of Earth from start @4.5 Billion years ago to present don't support your cult fanatic claim that "carbon"/CO2 is harmful/"pollution" and must be reduced. Especially when it is at one of the lowest levels ever in the history of this planet. If past levels which were several factors higher didn't have a major effect on average global temperatures, a miniscule adjustment now isn't going to have a major effect.

 

[Stryder50]

Nobody is claiming they are.

DERP.

Would seem you don't know the history of the past few decades for this scam you support.
Nor the faulty hearsay and opinions case for ACC/AGW.

DERP!

If you really believe CO2 is the dangerous player, then stop emitting such and do your part to "save the planet".

 

[Stryder50]

97% of publishing climate scientists.

And it's real.

Do scientists agree on climate change? - NASA Science

Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the

climate.nasa.gov

97% of the small portion that replied to a survey of many more whom didn't participate, respond.
More exactly, this excerpt;
...
Two recent surveys shed more light on what atmospheric scientists actually think. Bear in mind that on a topic as complex as climate change, a survey is hardly a reliable guide to scientific truth, but if you want to know how many people agree with your view, a survey is the only way to find out.

In 2012 the American Meteorological Society (AMS) surveyed its 7,000 members, receiving 1,862 responses. Of those, only 52% said they think global warming over the 20th century has happened and is mostly man-made (the IPCC position). The remaining 48% either think it happened but natural causes explain at least half of it, or it didn’t happen, or they don’t know. Furthermore, 53% agree that there is conflict among AMS members on the question.

So no sign of a 97% consensus. Not only do about half reject the IPCC conclusion, more than half acknowledge that their profession is split on the issue.
...

Putting the 'con' in consensus; Not only is there no 97 per cent consensus among climate scientists, many misunderstand core issues

In the lead-up to the Paris climate summit, massive activist pressure is on all governments, especially Canada’s, to fall in line with the global warming agenda and accept emission targets that could seriously harm our economy.

www.fraserinstitute.org

I agree climate change is real. Has been ever since there was a climate. It's the false claim that change within the last 200 years is solely the fault/result of human activity that I disagree with.

When can we count on you showing integrity of your position by ending your personal emission of CO2?

 

[abu afak]

97% of the small portion that replied to a survey of many more whom didn't participate, respond.
More exactly, this excerpt;
...
Two recent surveys shed more light on what atmospheric scientists actually think. Bear in mind that on a topic as complex as climate change, a survey is hardly a reliable guide to scientific truth, but if you want to know how many people agree with your view, a survey is the only way to find out.

In 2012 the American Meteorological Society (AMS) surveyed its 7,000 members, receiving 1,862 responses. Of those, only 52% said they think global warming over the 20th century has happened and is mostly man-made (the IPCC position). The remaining 48% either think it happened but natural causes explain at least half of it, or it didn’t happen, or they don’t know. Furthermore, 53% agree that there is conflict among AMS members on the question.

So no sign of a 97% consensus. Not only do about half reject the IPCC conclusion, more than half acknowledge that their profession is split on the issue.
...

Putting the 'con' in consensus; Not only is there no 97 per cent consensus among climate scientists, many misunderstand core issues

In the lead-up to the Paris climate summit, massive activist pressure is on all governments, especially Canada’s, to fall in line with the global warming agenda and accept emission targets that could seriously harm our economy.

www.fraserinstitute.org

I agree climate change is real. Has been ever since there was a climate. It's the false claim that change within the last 200 years is solely the fault/result of human activity that I disagree with.

When can we count on you showing integrity of your position by ending your personal emission of CO2?

Old data and perverted twist.

2012 is an old survey. Many have changed their minds since

2016
(and probably a few points higher since as Warmest years pile up.
2016 was the hottest year, then 2020 near tied. And it continues into 2023 with New 100,000 year records for June and July.
So add a few for points to DW/AGW believers)

96% Of American Meteorological Society Members Think Climate Change Is Happening​

You may have seen them. Media reports a few years ago claiming that a survey of the American Meteorological Society (AMS) refutes the consensus position regarding climate change. When I saw how that survey and the results were being twisted and distorted, I realized that people read things with an eye for what they want to believe, so-called confirmation bias. AMS Executive Director Dr. Keith Seitter even wrote on the AMS website clarifying the results and condemning rampant distortion that was being spread. A full statement of the survey authors' response to the horrific distortion of their findings can be found at this link. With such a mischaracterized response, the AMS felt that a new survey was needed. The preliminary results of that new report were released this week.
[....]
The new survey conducted for the AMS by Dr. Ed Maibach (George Mason University) and colleagues clarified several questions. Preliminary results are now available. About 4000 members responded (a significant number for typical survey responses and is considered representative). Key results from the report summary:

Nearly all AMS members (96%) think climate change -as defined by AMS-is happening with almost 89% stating that they are either "extremely" or "very sure" it is happening. Only 1% think climate change is not happening
A large majority of AMS members indicated that human activity is causing at least a portion of the changes in the climate over the past 50 years (see summary for details)....Conversely, 5% think the climate is caused largely or entirely by natural events, 6% say they don't know....
Nearly one in five AMS members say their opinion of climate change has changed in the past 5 years. Of those, the large majority (87%) say the feel more convinced climate change is happening (The report suggests that new science literature, personal observations, or climate scientist expertise has changed their views)

96% Of American Meteorological Society Members Think Climate Change Is Happening

A new survey of American meteorologists reveals their thoughts on climate change.

www.forbes.com

You can't debate you DISHONEST DRONE

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[Toddsterpatriot]

2016
(and probably a few points higher since as Warmest years pile up.
2016 was the hottest year, then 2020 near tied. And it continues into 2023 with New 100,000 year records for June and July.

Is that the hottest before they adjusted temperature measurements going back to the 1930s?
Or after?

 

[ding]

Old data and perverted twist.

2012 is an old survey. Many have changed their minds since

2016
(and probably a few points higher since as Warmest years pile up.
2016 was the hottest year, then 2020 near tied. And it continues into 2023 with New 100,000 year records for June and July.
So add a few for points to DW/AGW believers)

96% Of American Meteorological Society Members Think Climate Change Is Happening​

You may have seen them. Media reports a few years ago claiming that a survey of the American Meteorological Society (AMS) refutes the consensus position regarding climate change. When I saw how that survey and the results were being twisted and distorted, I realized that people read things with an eye for what they want to believe, so-called confirmation bias. AMS Executive Director Dr. Keith Seitter even wrote on the AMS website clarifying the results and condemning rampant distortion that was being spread. A full statement of the survey authors' response to the horrific distortion of their findings can be found at this link. With such a mischaracterized response, the AMS felt that a new survey was needed. The preliminary results of that new report were released this week.
[....]
The new survey conducted for the AMS by Dr. Ed Maibach (George Mason University) and colleagues clarified several questions. Preliminary results are now available. About 4000 members responded (a significant number for typical survey responses and is considered representative). Key results from the report summary:

96% Of American Meteorological Society Members Think Climate Change Is Happening

A new survey of American meteorologists reveals their thoughts on climate change.

www.forbes.com

You can't debate you DISHONEST DRONE

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It’s hard to debate someone like yourself whose default position is that it’s settled. So clearly you aren’t looking for a debate.

 

[Crick]

lil crick is about as dumb as they get. Never reading anything the idiot posts. Let us all take a good look at who signed on as a scientist that "believes".

crick is more like bat shit crazy, hard to tell, either way, AGW is fake, when they got to get the Director of Bats to pretend he is a scientist long enough to sign onboard.

Nunez-Mino, Jose Director Bat Conservation Trust United Kingdom of Great Britain

He is more of a scientist than most of the people who signed the OP's document and there are 11,091 other real, fucking scientists in that list you ignorant ass.

 

[EMH]

the increase in temperature of the atmosphere

does NOT EXIST according to the highly correlated satellite and balloon data. The "evidence" of "warming" in the atmosphere is that your heroes FUDGED both the satellite and balloon data, and you won't even attempt to defend the laughable bullshit used to justify that.