Discussion in 'Middle East - General' started by Annie, Jul 7, 2007.
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Those who insist that we abandon Iraq to Al Qaeda by bringing the troops home either do not realize, or do not care, about the wider implications for the War on Terror. After all, it's only a bumper sticker.
Exactly, bottom line.
The perhaps you and Bush owe the nation an apology. Al Qaeda wasn't in saddam-controlled Iraq before your war and occupation. You brought them there.
Second, Iraq is shia-dominated. The shia hate the sunni extremists. You did know that al qaeda was sunni, right? They've been blowing up and chopping the heads off iraqi shia by the tens of thousands. There's not a snow balls chance in hell the shia are going to let al qaeda "take over" Iraq.
Third, even a lot of sunni nationlists don't like al qaeda. Our own military estimates there's only a few thousand foreign fighters associated with al qaeda in iraq. They're not going to "take over" dude. That's another Bush talking point. Like the talking points he gave you to fool you into this war. Like the talking points given to you for five years, in an attempt to convince you that the war was going "great".
I suggest its time for you to stop allowing yourself to be fooled.
I was referring to the fact that people like you discount what Zawahiri says. Do you think that there will not be a massive bloodbath between Shiites and Sunnis if the US pulls out? Perhaps attempted genocide by both sides? Do you not think that the situation will blow up into regional war? As bad as it is now, the situation if we run away will be far worse. America and its allies invaded Iraq. It is their responsibility to bring it under control. We cannot, as people like you would have it, just run away now that the invasion has unleashed chaotic forces. You are unrealistic if you think that "a few thousand foreign fighters" (you meant murderers) cannot destroy the Iraqi Government and the Iraqi Constitution that we have given 3500 lives and $500 billion to secure. They have already murdered tens of thousands and succeeded in causing civil war. Moreover, if we leave there will be a massive influx of additional foreign murderers.
Not to mention while many thought enter the Iraq War was a good idea, reality had a way of raising serious questions about leadership. There was a political and military price to pay for those mistakes.
Now the other side, which called for increased levels of troops before the administration, is ignoring the gains being made. That is as wrong as anything, when the outcome of premature withdrawal can be forseen.
I challenge you to find one post where I've ever discounted the threat from zarqawi or al qaeda. You won't find one. I don't understand why you feel the need to "educate" liberals on the threat of international islamic jihaddits.
I was the one who told you not to invade iraq, and to instead focus on al qaeda and affiliated international jihaddists - and not to go off on a tangent and invade iraq: a secular, socialist nation with no ties to al qaeda. With a ruler that in fact, hated islamic fundamentalist jihaddists and considered them a threat to his own regime.
I also am simply pointing out that al qaeda in iraq does not have the capacity to "take over" iraq. That was a false statment. The iraqi shia simply won't allow it. They will kill every sunni extremist to prevent that from happening.
As for the sunni-shia civil war: I'm glad you now belatedly recognize the mess Bush has gotten us into - because this is exactly what many anti-war people warned you might happen four years ago. Better late than never, that you recognize we were right.
I don't think there's anything 150k american troops can do to stop a civil war. That's for the iraqis to sort out. We were not told by your president that we were invading iraq to start - and then stop - a civil war. It's tragic. But, it's not only beyond our control. Its a political problem the countries in the region will have to deal with. No one listens to bush anymore. He has no respect or influence in the region
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After you get over whining about the past, please tell us what you think are all the consequences of an immediate US withdrawal from the mideast. Please include where to send these troops since Al quaeda ( who you claim is the "real" enemy ) remains an active force who still plan to attack Jews, Christians and the Western interests ( whatever that means).
I doubt if libs will ever get it
Even if Israel should disappear in a mushroom cloud - libs will continue to ignore terrorism and consider the war on terror a bumber sticker slogan
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